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[Nightbird]

Tarogato, on 28 December 2017 - 05:04 PM, said:

All mechs were scaled by volume. According to PGI.

But not by maffs

[El Bandito]

Tarogato, on 28 December 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

It extends a couple pixels (literal actual pixels) toward the front of the mech, but otherwise it appears to be about a perfect circle that matches the geometry, best I can tell.

You'll notice the tiny pauldrons that surround the arm joint aren't hitboxed. Shots that go through these will pass through and hit whatever is on the other side. If shooting from dead-on side, of course it will end up at the arm hitbox, and from oblique angles it could pass through to hit the side torso.

Nothing is jutting out that will register as arm and cause damage transfer, it's actually a pretty tight, small stub. I waved around looking for any "ghost hitboxes" floating around, but I couldn't find any.

Thanks for taking time to check it out.

[Tarogato]

El Bandito, on 28 December 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

Thanks for taking time to check it out.

Anything I can do to take the blame off hitboxes when the problem is something else.


Maybe the animations are too jerky and the server-client communication doesn't track them accurately. Maybe it's just plain old latency and HSR isn't keeping up. Maybe people are relying too much on their paperdolls, which are notoriously imprecise. (seriously, a component at 99% health is indistinguishable from a component with 50% health. No wonder people complain about "i put dual AC20 into it, how is it still only yellow armour?") And perhaps maybe... people just can't aim.

[Silas7]

Khobai, on 27 December 2017 - 11:40 PM, said:

Honestly Id be okay with it getting nerfed so badly I never have to see another assassin again.

Hey man, what did my DarkDeath ever do to you?

Edited by Silas7, 28 December 2017 - 09:56 PM.

[Vellron2005]

Asassins are getting nerfed?

Hell.. it's about time!

Remove their cancerous presence, and good riddance!

[Y E O N N E]

Bud Crue, on 28 December 2017 - 07:00 AM, said:

Being bad or mediocre or what have you at this game is no excuse for what has gone on over the last year.

I'm not just using him being mediocre as the basis for my disdain, I'm also factoring in Spiral's historically bad ideas and tendency to get irate when you disagree with him. If the forum search wasn't f*cking broken I'd go find some examples, though part of that opinion also comes from my younger brother, who was in a unit with him (CGBI).

The prospect that Spiral is the Balance Underling™ is frightening.

[Bishop Steiner]

NRP, on 27 December 2017 - 09:21 PM, said:

Nerf the Urban mech while you're at it. Those things just won't die. Something's up.

Just except that Urbanmechs are universally driven by the best, most selective mechwarriors in the 'verse, and that you just can't keep up.

GOSH!

[Deathlike]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 December 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

I'm not just using him being mediocre as the basis for my disdain, I'm also factoring in Spiral's historically bad ideas and tendency to get irate when you disagree with him. If the forum search wasn't f*cking broken I'd go find some examples, though part of that opinion also comes from my younger brother, who was in a unit with him (CGBI).

The prospect that Spiral is the Balance Underling™ is frightening.

Oh shi.... Paul evolved. Dartboard upgraded™.

[Y E O N N E]

Deathlike, on 30 December 2017 - 11:10 AM, said:

Oh shi.... Paul evolved. Dartboard upgraded™.

Spiral was a great lover of SkillCrows, too.

[Deathlike]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 December 2017 - 11:19 AM, said:

Spiral was a great lover of SkillCrows, too.

Much skill.

I had to skim the most recent posts, and I came to the conclusion that this is why we have Clams dominating. It's like having Gyrok become balance overlord, except a less obnoxious one (could be proven otherwise).

I guess a Gold Mech does give you the option to work @ PGI!

[Slambot]

Gotta love when an IS mech gets competitive, the nerf bat comes out instantaneously... the KDK took over a year to nerf.

[Slambot]

How about the world championships? How many IS mechs were there in total? A couple wolfhounds, one battlemaster and a dragon. How about all the HBK IIC? I believe it was the ONLY medium run by any of the final teams? If not, it was very over represented and not because it sucked.

Personally, I think wolfhounds are fairly well balanced, and if anything the firestarter and jenner should be brought UP to wolfhound standards. Lets face it, the wolfhound is only tanky, that is its only real asset. Its not like its super mobile in relation to other lights, or that it has massive weapon quirks... The firestarter is HUGE with easily targeted side torsos. The jenner, although better, still suffers from a CT that is easily hittable from ANY angle.

The most powerful lights hands down are still the myst lynx and the arctic cheetah. Their heat-free dps is insane. You didn't see them in MWC because long range trading is the meta there. Yet, you don't see people screaming for the nerf of these mechs. I know the clan LMG was nerfed. The effect of the nerf was almost negligible.

Spare the wolfhound I say.

[visionGT4]

So we just came out of the MWOC finals which were all dominated by easy mode tech. There has been no acknowledgement by PGI that due to the terrible ratio of easyMode:gimpTech chassis featured in MWOC that they will be putting additional effort into ensuring we have a larger selection of viable chassis to choose (at all levels).

Yet a mech that *no one* gives a sh17 about is about to receive 'tweaks'.
QP - who gives a sh17
FP - lolwut
CP - a non factor

Its not even balance by potato, its balance by listening to a group of self entitled players who care only about themselves.

Thanks for continuing to ruin the game clamp apologists

[FupDup]

visionGT4, on 30 December 2017 - 12:12 PM, said:

Thanks for continuing to ruin the game clamp apologists

[MischiefSC]

El Bandito, on 27 December 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

I think people complained about sometimes shooting the ST from the front registers damage on the arms instead, or something. Pity we can't change testing grounds mechs so I can fully experiment around.




Whatcha talking about? Deathstrike is literally the worst Hero mech of all.

I'm iffy on it. The testing I did was with someone with a 200ms variance on ping from me - maybe it was a hitreg thing?

However having played it I just don't take the amount of damage I should. Those little arms block almost everything that's not at 0 or 280 degrees front or back shooting at me.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 December 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

I'm not just using him being mediocre as the basis for my disdain, I'm also factoring in Spiral's historically bad ideas and tendency to get irate when you disagree with him. If the forum search wasn't f*cking broken I'd go find some examples, though part of that opinion also comes from my younger brother, who was in a unit with him (CGBI).

The prospect that Spiral is the Balance Underling™ is frightening.

Wait, your saying that Chris is Spiralface?

Edited by LT. HARDCASE, 30 December 2017 - 02:57 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

LT. HARDCASE, on 30 December 2017 - 02:54 PM, said:

Wait, your saying that Chris is Spiralface?

That's what I've heard. Kin3ticX claimed to have done some sleuthing to find it out.

It may not be true, and I hope it's not. I want to be wrong.

[Tarogato]

Who cares who he is. His work speaks for itself. Judge him by that, not his roots. We don't need to know who he is and where's his been to collaborate with him on balance or criticize the changes he's informed.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Yeonne Greene, on 30 December 2017 - 03:08 PM, said:

That's what I've heard. Kin3ticX claimed to have done some sleuthing to find it out.

It may not be true, and I hope it's not. I want to be wrong.

I know Chris used to regularly drop with Sean Lang on NGNG. Too bad Twitch doesn't save that far back, or I'd confirm it.

But the cadence of his speech is so unique, it'd be impossible to confuse with someone else. Anyone who has heard Spiral speak would know immediately.

[Y E O N N E]

Tarogato, on 30 December 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

Who cares who he is. His work speaks for itself.

Why yes. Yes it does. Hence the salt on here, on Reddit, on everywhere.

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Judge him by that, not his roots. We don't need to know who he is and where's his been to collaborate with him on balance or criticize the changes he's informed.

But the roots can inform us on the logic for a given change beyond what the PGI party line is, which is essential.

We can (and have been) attempting to work with him. But, you know, collaboration is a two-way street. From observation, PGI does what they want regardless of whether or not it makes sense and only back down if the uproar is from a notably large portion of the player base and particularly damning (see also: 2.0 s ERLL burn times, lock-ons tied to range with info-tech, energy draw, HPPC damage, isUAC/10 stealth nerfs, and attempted small laser nerfs).

LT. HARDCASE, on 30 December 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

But the cadence of his speech is so unique, it'd be impossible to confuse with someone else. Anyone who has heard Spiral speak would know immediately.

That's the characteristic Kin3ticX was saying he used to confirm the ID. Having never heard Spiral on voice comms, I can't confirm for myself.