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[CuriousCabbitBlue]

Dr Hobo, on 27 December 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

Basically,the safeties wouldn't let it fire at all. But daring pilots would disable the safety to fire anyway. You'd get all the feedback and too and potentially disabling the weapon(electronics have problems and could shut down,with a broken weapon,a very risky move).

But you could do full damage at minimum range.

OVERRIDE ENGAGED

[Requiemking]

Khobai, on 27 December 2017 - 11:16 PM, said:

I wasnt aware SNPPC were fun

they seem pretty terrible to me and I would never use them

They are fun, especially when paired with MRMs or LBXACs. They are also good for mechs that lack the available weight and heat capacity to handle (ER)PPCs(like Light mechs).

[ANOM O MECH]

Dr Hobo, on 27 December 2017 - 09:30 PM, said:

LPL has a faster refire rate thus raising your heat faster. I overheat more on my dual LPL Vindicator than I do with my dual SNPPC one.

I find it easier to manage heat on the SNPPC than I do on the LPL. As much as I like both weapons systems(I run a Hunchback with 2 LPLs strapped to the top mounts in the hunch). i like them,I see no reason to remove them,change them? Sure.



2 crit slots for LPL. 3 for normal PPC 2 for SNPPC on Sarna.

And no,you said you don't want SNPPC to hold the other PPCs back. Ergo,I just suggested an idea turn them into the LB of energy weapons.

The barrel is sawn off you know. So it could make sense that the projectile would break apart before impact,thus,turning it into an energy shotgun.

If SNPPC's are cooler for you than LPL's you are doing it wrong.

You are either not firing the PPC's enough or are doing something very wrong with LPL's such as incuring ghost heat by firing too many of something.

So even though you might be cruising along in a Miata and you tell yourself it feels like a Porche, it doesn't.

Sometimes people's perception just doesn't agree with flat out reality.

This seems to be the case in this situation.

What's really sad is how all of this is moot since the LPL is not something worth taking anymore, and the SNPPC is a niche weapon you don't see very much of.

[theta123]

I use snub nose PPCs alot. And its 1 crit slot less and 1 ton less. If they remove PPC minimul range, they could decrease the heat for the snub nose as compensation

[Kin3ticX]

Wouldnt surprise me if there is a big balance change soon. Probably coming in Jan or Feb now that the MWOWC is out of the way.

I am not using PPCs right now. Probably because lasers are getting better numbers and also the Gauss PPC nerf. That nerf kinda removed a small predator from the ecosystem so now Lasers run amuck. They tried to nerf lasers all the wrong ways a few patches ago but it was cancled, so I would expect them to come back with a new angle on that and a few other twists.

[Dr Hobo]

tker 669, on 28 December 2017 - 12:13 AM, said:

If SNPPC's are cooler for you than LPL's you are doing it wrong.

You are either not firing the PPC's enough or are doing something very wrong with LPL's such as incuring ghost heat by firing too many of something.

So even though you might be cruising along in a Miata and you tell yourself it feels like a Porche, it doesn't.

Sometimes people's perception just doesn't agree with flat out reality.

This seems to be the case in this situation.

What's really sad is how all of this is moot since the LPL is not something worth taking anymore, and the SNPPC is a niche weapon you don't see very much of.

Because my Vindicator 1AAC has a larger engine than my other 1AA and loses one heat sink. I might have to experiment more and see what i can come up with,but yeah at the moment,for me, SNPPCs are cooler to fire than my LPL Vindi.I suspect that's the general reason of why,either that,or the wonky heat system strikes again.

Then again too,I'm always moving with the SNPPC vindi because i want to get a better angle,and that allows me to snapshot much easier than i could with LPL or other PPC types.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

it's pot-shot, unless you're taking photos with your vindicator.

[El Bandito]

Dr Hobo, on 28 December 2017 - 02:33 AM, said:

Because my Vindicator 1AAC has a larger engine than my other 1AA and loses one heat sink. I might have to experiment more and see what i can come up with,but yeah at the moment,for me, SNPPCs are cooler to fire than my LPL Vindi.I suspect that's the general reason of why,either that,or the wonky heat system strikes again.

1AA has -10% PPC heat quirk, which affects all types of PPCs. Which is why I told you Vindicators are biased.

Edited by El Bandito, 28 December 2017 - 04:16 AM.

[Heavenward]

Instead of removing minimum range of standard PPC's why not take some back up weapons to cover deadzone? I only take them if i have heat constraints on the builds i run if i ran ERPPC's

[Mystere]

Khobai, on 27 December 2017 - 11:16 PM, said:

I wasnt aware SNPPC were fun

they seem pretty terrible to me and I would never use them

Just because you are not having fun with SNPPCs does not mean no one else is.

However, I do know you want to eliminate units from CW, a game mode that's supposed to be about them.

Requiemking, on 27 December 2017 - 10:10 PM, said:

Khobai, why is it that every single suggestion of yours that I see seems to be hellbent on removing as much fun from MWO as possible. Remove Snubbies just because, remove RLs because you don't like them, make Scout mode as unfriendly to Lights as possible. I'm starting to think you hate fun or something.

I noticed that too. His shtick seem to be making an already minimally viable product even more minimally viable.

Edited by Mystere, 28 December 2017 - 04:31 AM.

[Steve Pryde]

PPCs aren't bad, it's just that lasers are too good (hitreg weapon without the need of velocity). You shoot/klick, you instantly hit the target. That's the problem.

[Black Ivan]

PPCs aren't bad. I'm having more issues with PPC hitreg. Since summer clear hits don't register as hits anymore

[Nema Nabojiv]

Steve Pryde, on 28 December 2017 - 05:26 AM, said:

PPCs aren't bad, it's just that lasers are too good (hitreg weapon without the need of velocity). You shoot/klick, you instantly hit the target. That's the problem.

If something is better then the other the former can be described as 'good' and the latter as 'bad'.
They were actually good once. Perfect synergy with gauss and ac5s, no ghost heat, what's not to like? And if i remember correctly, there was no min range at some point.

[Bombast]

Davegt27, on 27 December 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

MW2 had an iconic futuristic weapon called PPC's

a coworker at the time explained to me that it had to be ball lightning since
real lightning would be impossible to direct and just plain stupid

Strictly speaking, its entirely possible to 'direct' lightning/electrical discharges. It's just grossly impractical - The 'guiding' arrays that would create a path for the lightning would expend equal or greater stresses on the target as the PPC. But it is possible.

What isn't possible is a 'ball' of lightning that kind of just mozzies around the battlefield, taking its sweet *** time getting anywhere.

Of course, realism has its limits, and I'm not going to complain about old PPCs. But holding one up as realistic while the other stupid is not a valid criticism.

Davegt27, on 27 December 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

little did I know that battle tech would be dominated by then 10 year olds

so we went from cool to crap

For someone so concerned about the influence of pre-teens, you sure do carry yourself like one.

[mogs01gt]

I'd rather see an increase in velocity with them. I cant aim for **** since they're so slow.

[Daurock]

El Bandito, on 28 December 2017 - 04:15 AM, said:

1AA has -10% PPC heat quirk, which affects all types of PPCs. Which is why I told you Vindicators are biased.

It does hit on the main problem with snubs though, which you hit on earlier - A short ranged weapon needs to be at least somewhat heat efficient if it's going to be used in any real form. A general observation of mine has been that if a weapon is ONLY viable on a platform heavily quirked for it, the weapon probably needs a buff. (Honestly, you could probably say that all IS ppcs are some level of bad, but that's really another topic for another time.)

I'm on board with lowering the heat level from 10 to around 8 or so. This nearly gets the heat of the weapon down to LPL levels, making it a real choice for a lot of mechs. (Keeping in mind that the LPL still would have a slight range and DPS advantage for its extra ton of weight, and DOT disadvantages)

[Weeny Machine]

It is also about consistency. PPCs have a deadzone...and Gauss? They should have a 30m deadzone as well

[El Bandito]

Bush Hopper, on 28 December 2017 - 07:29 AM, said:

It is also about consistency. PPCs have a deadzone...and Gauss? They should have a 30m deadzone as well

30 meters is nothing.

[Alkabides]

PPC's a pretty darn fun especially when paired with srms or mrms. They do seem under powered though for the weight/heat. I think snub nose does 5 damage. That's a 1 ton medium laser. I don't know if that seems right ... but not much more fun than popping out of somewhere unexpected and blasting someone in the face, then running off before they know what happened.

[Bombast]

Alkabides, on 28 December 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

I think snub nose does 5 damage.

10.