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[TheArisen]

What do you guys think of PGI making a second hero for all mechs? Currently only the Dragon (Fang & Flame) and the Catapult (Jester & Butterbee) have two.

Which mechs would be the best candidates for a second hero? Any lore options?

I do see some issues with omnis because of the obvious issue with swapping in the new pods but that can be worked around to some extent.

[FupDup]

Feels like it would just add even more bloat to the system and make balancing harder. Plus, I imagine that PGI would feel too tempted to make some of those heroes be superior to the C-Bill variants similar to heroes like the Deathstrike.

[FLG 01]

I would not mind if the Hero Mechs were canonical or at least semi-canonically/canon-friendly (rumours, uncertain configurations etc.). But there are not many of them to be added...

TBH, I'd prefer more regular variants - as you know, there are many good variants missings for many chassis.

[El Bandito]

Quad Ballistic Stalker Hero pls.

[StealthdragonB]

TheArisen, on 25 January 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

What do you guys think of PGI making a second hero for all mechs? Currently only the Dragon (Fang & Flame) and the Catapult (Jester & Butterbee) have two.

Well keep in mind we also got the upcoming sun spider and roughneck hero that most people are getting for free.

In all honesty it would be nice to have a choice of heroes when choosing one of a particular chassis, such as how the butter bee is a more missile based hero, whereas the jester is energy based. If you really wanted a hero mech of a certain chassis you could avoid being forced into particular builds.

Edited by StealthdragonB, 25 January 2018 - 07:27 PM.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

TheArisen, on 25 January 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

Currently only the Dragon (Fang & Flame) and the Catapult (Jester & Butterbee) have two.

The Phoenix Hawk also has two heroes, the Roc and Kuroi Kiri. I'm pretty sure it's the only 'Mech which had two heroes from day one.

I would love to see more heroes added for existing 'Mechs, especially ones which have a strong lore presence with multiple notable pilots. With a few exceptions (and I think we all know which ones), PGI has been pretty good about making the heroes different from, but not necessarily better than, the standard variants.

It would also be amazing if they would just go ahead and allow the (S) tag, camo, and bonus to be applied to any standard variant for a premium fee- or at least permit the tag to be freely assigned when pre-ordering Collector packs. For 2x the price of the standard pack, the purchaser really ought to be able to stick that tag on any of the included variants. It'd be a fairly uncomplicated thing to implement, since unique geometry for the Collector variant is evidently a thing of the past now (IIRC, the last time they did that was with the Urbie).

[CycKath]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 25 January 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

The Phoenix Hawk also has two heroes, the Roc and Kuroi Kiri. I'm pretty sure it's the only 'Mech which had two heroes from day one.

Both the Dragon heroes were released together.

But yes, with dynamic hardpoints constantly baffled why they don't offer both more heroes and more standard variants to get more value out of existing assets.

[Jonathan8883]

I would like to see some heroes that mirror the main loadouts of the mech, but still carry the +C-bill bonus. I like the Crab. It's a great mech, durable, and runs well with energy weapons. And then the hero...is some sort of wannabe-bushwhacker? When I want to play a Crab, I want to play a Crab.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

Add-on (S) tags would probably be the easiest payday PGI ever made, if they did it. Even people who don't normally go for the premium content would likely want to at least upgrade their favorite 'Mech. I know there are about a dozen standard variants sitting in my hangar that I'd drive way more often if I could add that bonus to them.

[Bombast]

I don't think we need a lot of duplicate heroes. Maybe a few lore ones for a lark, but certainly not every chassis.

I'm a lot more interested in the Annual Hostage Program being scaled up and more variants being released. We're missing several Clan Busters, at the very least.

[Asym]

Just what MWo needs is more mechs for thw whales to buy and then PGI will never change anything because sales are so good !

Geeze....

[JediPanther]

Don't think it would be worth the effort. With omnis you can swap almost any weapon type you want so only the bonus applied to the 'main part' of the omni that makes it that type of variant. IS you have to make the hard points either unique, useful location, or different type without obsoleting the already existing variants.

At least the double dragons and the cats have the type of hard points swapped. Looking at the hbks on how the GI was done it was a neat mix of the 4g and the 4j.

[The6thMessenger]

The6thMessenger, on 18 January 2018 - 12:17 AM, said:

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LCT-L0L

QUIRKS:

MAX ENGINE: 170
RATE OF HEAT LOSS: +18%
BASE ARMOR (RL): 6
BASE ARMOR (LL): 6
BASE ARMOR (RA): 3
BASE ARMOR (LA): 3

JUMP JET CAPACITY: +4
AMS ROF: +10%
MISSILE VELOCITY: +10%
MISSILE COOLDOWN: +30%
ENERGY RANGE: +20%

LORE:

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The LCT-L0L is the designation given by Yuna Cassel as one of her first creations under her employment in ComStar.

Armed with a pair of Extended-Range Small-Lasers on both arms, and then two Short-Range-Missile racks with four tubes each. And then an Anti-Missile System with half-ton of ammunition in each torso. It has a single Class V Jump-Jet in each legs, giving it 60 meters of jumping distance. All of the equipment is possible through the use of Light Engine 120, Endo-Steel Chassis and Ferro-Fibrous Armor.

Frowned by her peers as putting jump-jets to an incredibly fast and fragile light-mech defied common-sense. It garnered both bad reputation and laughter from it's peers and enemies alike. And her arrest as she fought against a UM-K9 and lost only cemented it's reputation as a troublesome yet hilarious battlemech.

Previously i submitted an idea for a Locust hero with a Jump Jet. Here's my revised version, I tried to build it as a striker instead. I don't see an awful lot of locusts with SRMs versus laser builds -- i understand the sentiment, cause you need lightweight weapons for it, but I'm still curious of seeing locusts doing that so i reduced the max-engine by a bit, that's still 137 KPH, but that means people are encouraged to go with heavier weapons. Sure it might not be meta, but at least people may be interested because it's a locust with Jump Jets.

The6thMessenger, on 15 June 2017 - 08:24 PM, said:

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Pilot: Yuna Cassel
Unit: 278th Division, ComStar Engineers

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MAX ENGINE: 360
BASE ARMOR (LA): 14.00
BASE ARMOR (RA): 14.00
ER LASER HEAT GENERATION: -5.00 %
ENERGY HEAT GENERATION: -5.00 %
ENERGY RANGE: 10.00 %
ENERGY COOLDOWN: 10.00%
UAC/RAC JAM CHANCE: -10.00 %
MISSILE COOLDOWN: 20.00%
MISSILE VELOCITY: 20.00%

LORE:

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The6thMessenger, on 15 June 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

First time for everything, it was the first time for the young ComStar Engineer, Yuna Cassel. The Battle of Tukayyid was her first brush of an all-out war. She, along with her associates was assigned with the ComGuards 278^th Division Engineer, tasked with battlemech maintenance, to setting up defences as they held out at the city Skupo. She and other engineers tried to keep the barricade up, communications working, and battlemechs still able to take much more punishment.

The 278^th Division was able to fall back to the city, but as they did the Clan Wolf forces was able to resume their attack. The 282^nd Division fell, so did the Ninth’s Army 198^th, the 247^th Division, even the 138^th Division’s ambush was quelled. All their sacrifices and they just kept coming and coming, until the 278^th Division was surrounded. Beam after beam, shell after shell, explosion after explosion, ammunition were running dry, light from laser beams were losing their shine, armor and cover were being eroded by heavy fire.

On some repair bay, the last of the 278^th was cooped up along with some of the remaining engineers, piecing together all they could find; it was nothing more than spare parts enough to build a battlemaster. Nicknamed “Sentinel” -- an ironic name for all they could do for the moment is look, helpless as the city were being reduced to ruins. The BLR-4SL is a complete jury-rig of one of the retrieved fallen Battlemasters, and it was their last ticket out of the city, one sliver of hope for Yuna and her colleagues.

Needing a fresh rewiring, only the arms were mostly intact. The damaged wires upon the torsi could not handle the immense power-surge required by many energy weapons. Thinking of on her feet, Yuna armed the torso with ballistic weapons instead, but stricken with limited ammunition supply she improvised with what they have.

Each torso is armed with a rudimentary Rotary AC/2 at the upper-most mounts; Ultra AC/5s rebored to AC/2 ammunition considering it's abundance. And at cockpit level are two semi-portable, Light Machine-Guns; even more accurate at a longer range than the standard machine-guns at a downside of using small-arms ammunition; those high-caliber rounds commonly used with Sniper Rifles and Medium Machine-Guns.

For amenities, it has a single Laser AMS; an Anti-Missile System replacing the Machine-Gun with a low-heat Small-Pulse-Laser. Along with a Medium-Range Missile 20; modifying the Long-Range Missile 15 to shoot a volley of 20 unguided missiles commonly used as man-portable anti-vehicle weapon, and unlike Rocket-Launchers, reload is automated.

For the arms, she mounted a total of three Extended Range Medium Lasers, complementing the RAC/2s and the Light Machine-Guns at their range. The use of an endosteel frame along with a rudimentary Light Fusion Engine - built from half-and-half pieces of Standard Engine and Extra-Light Engines – allows it to bear many weapons all at once and four additional double heat-sinks keeps it cool. Upon the head is a 1-ton heavy mainframe-computer linked with the Battlemech's weapon fire-control systems to better automate firing solutions; an early Level-1 Targeting Computer.

The last of their team was to retreat, with the last 278^th Division MechWarrior just to board the jury-rigged Battlemaster, they were hit by a stray artillery shell, tearing the warehouse open leaving the remaining support team wounded, and the last 278^th Division MechWarrior killed in action. With nobody to fight for them, Yuna jumped in the Battlemech and piloted it herself.

Bloodied, unknown of whether it was hers, her comrades’, or her enemies’, she wiped it off her face and secured herself inside. With the Sentinel primed and ready, she stood up guns blazing; she was ready to trade her life for her friends to be spared. The medics and engineers sucked up the pain, and with the remaining vehicles, they took off leaving Yuna to fight for herself.

With the last of the divisions having their own problems to deal with, Yuna led some of the Wolves away as she made her way at the edge of the city, fighting along the way with reckless abandon. On arms reach with the Thor, she locked its arm with her own preventing the PPC from sending a bolt to her battlemech, and then face to face she chewed through its center-torso with the machine-guns and the rotary auto-cannons.

An incoming Loki just beside her was about to ram its arm to her, but with a turn she hit it’s torso with her elbow. Discombobulated, she ripped across its damaged legs, and knocked it down. Effectively out of the fight, yet she took the time to pound the fallen Loki – raining shells across its torso. She was losing it.

Another was some Uller scout, heavily damaged by a previous encounter; it took her nothing more than a short flurry of shells to take it down. But her going down to pound the Uller to oblivion she found the scattered remains of the rest of her team – taken down by this Uller. Despite her sacrifice, they couldn’t get out.

Snapping back, she looked around, listened to the radio, and found nothing. She was all alone at the edge of Skupo.

Yuna survived, it wasn’t because she was with the 278^th Division, rather she wasn’t. She looked back and saw nothing but the smoldering machinery. There was nothing for her to fight for in that city, her allies were dead. She was crying as she was picked up by the remaining ComStar forces on her way towards Brzo.

So I was just playing around smurfy, and saw battlemaster and the wubmaster. I was thinking that, it would be awesome to see a ballistic battlemaster on the torso. The 6 lasers were pretty, i bet ACs would be pretty too.

Unfortunately the Civil War won't add Light ACs, so i couldn't make 6 LAC5s, likewise the addition of other weapons would make it too heavy too. Still i found a way to incorporate the LFE and ER Medium laser, and then compromised with RAC2 with a bunch of machine guns for that torso.

As for the story, I was just stoked by the Battle of Tukayyid, i thought of adding a little story for my little Yuna Cassel. It's my first try of a fiction, i think i suck at it, but i wanted to do it anyways.

On the balance side, I'm not a balancing guru, but the quirks are your average battlemaster stuff, but with a twist. As opposed of a torso-twist penalty, it comes with engine-cap penalty, because i wanted it to be a slow mech. As for the offensive quirks, i tried to retain that cumulative 70% thingy of the old battlemasters, and then redisitrbuted them. But since it's restricted to 360 engine, i do believe that it has some leeway to moar quirks.

Having 6B, i didn't put much ballistic quirks. 10% jam chance might be big, but considering other mechs that does ballistic better, and it's only localized on RAC and UACs, i don't think it would be a big deal. The rest of the quirks however, god-quirks the singular 1M so would still be somewhat useful yet not as useful as those with more hardpoints, when they're seeking on missile-centric build. Energy though is not as god-quirked considering it can still use large energy weapons around GH Limit such as 3x large laser. Steering clear from LPL, i made it so that though it has 5% energy heat, it has extra 5% if it's an ER Laser, and it also boasts the most energy range over the variants. This is because there's only 3 energy hardpoints.

While we already have the Mauler to compete with the Kodak-3, poorly, i hope that this high-mounted Battlemaster could do the trick, albeit pay-to-optimize. Also, to high mount 2 gauss rifles means it needs 2 more MG each side torso for a total of junk 1-ton for 4 LMGs.

Poll: https://mwomercs.com...-sentinel-hero/

Pretty please PGI?

[TheArisen]

Asym, on 25 January 2018 - 09:40 PM, said:

Just what MWo needs is more mechs for thw whales to buy and then PGI will never change anything because sales are so good !

Geeze....

Yeah mechs are always going to be a thing as long as it's their primary source of income.

[Davegt27]

having to many hero Mechs would be like printing to many dollar bills

it makes them less valuable

some of the hero's that are on the sucky side it might be a good idea to have a second hero Mech

[Nema Nabojiv]

Why not. I have 10k MC and nothing to spend them on.

WTB Thunderbolt and Marauder with ballistic hardpoint in each side torso.
And a Marauder with missile hardpoint in each side torso.
And a Mad Dog with Prime's quirks and head mounted energy, yes.

[Funky Bacon]

I would love a new Awesome hero. The Pretty Baby has too messy and awkward layout.
Maybe one with a balistic slot or two. Or just more ppc ligthning womit, that would work too.

[Bud Crue]

We don’t need more heroes we need more camo patterns. If they want to sell unique variants with unique patterns and call them heroes I guess that works too. But I’m just here for the mechporn and frankly a lot of the hero patterns have been uninspiring of late. If they had more premium mechs that looked like, for example, the loyalty variants from this year (that Griffin is art) I’d buy em, but the whole “hero” designation does nothing for me.

[IllCaesar]

Ballistic/Energy Commando pls.

XL225 +1 DHS. Endo, FF, and near max armour gives about 8 tons and 12 slots to work with for weapons and other equipment. I'd like an MG Commando. Put eight of those things on there with two tons of ammo and two ERMLs and you got something that can cause some Mischief.

I'd be curious to see what they do with a second Hunchback hero. A two hunches with energy on one and ballistic on another could pack a hell of a punch. 6x HMG and 6x SL would be a hell of close quarters fighter. Add to it a LFE275 and you've got 90KPH speeds that can tear through any component at a moment's notice with some MLs as backup and plenty of armour and ammo to go around. Assuming that six in each Hunch might be a little too OP, a true ballistic hunch with 6 slots would be a nice option as well.

[Davegt27]

Bud Crue, on 26 January 2018 - 04:31 AM, said:

We don’t need more heroes we need more camo patterns. If they want to sell unique variants with unique patterns and call them heroes I guess that works too. But I’m just here for the mechporn and frankly a lot of the hero patterns have been uninspiring of late. If they had more premium mechs that looked like, for example, the loyalty variants from this year (that Griffin is art) I’d buy em, but the whole “hero” designation does nothing for me.

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