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[Angus McFife VI]

Koniving, on 29 January 2018 - 09:54 AM, said:

And I've been playing mechs as wide as a barn for years.

Yeah you also haven't been doing very good. You're also forgetting, if the Fafnir has no quirks then what's the point of taking a fafnir if you could just load up dual hgauss on the Slepnir or Annihilator which both have better hitboxes and one has way better armor and back up weapons than the other. So, the Fafnir will be dead on arrival without quirks because other mechs will do what it's supposed to do already just with gee, better hitboxes and armor.

Edited by Dont LRM me please, 29 January 2018 - 10:16 AM.

[gooddragon2]

Across the board weapon cooldown quirks
-10% cooldown for heavy wide torso mechs
-15% cooldown for assault wide torso mechs

This should be in combination with more specific weapon cooldown quirks like ballistics or lasers

Also a 15% rate of heat dissipation quirk for heavies and a 20% for assaults. Maybe more or less on all these numbers, but this would make it so if they do get into a close range brawl they can fire faster and keep firing longer to make up for their worse survivability.

[Koniving]

Dont LRM me please, on 29 January 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

Yeah you also haven't been doing very good. You're also forgetting, if the Fafnir has no quirks then what's the point of taking a fafnir if you could just load up dual hgauss on the Slepnir or Annihilator which both have better hitboxes and one has way better armor and back up weapons than the other. So, the Fafnir will be dead on arrival without quirks because other mechs will do what it's supposed to do already just with gee, better hitboxes and armor.

Used to uphold a pretty good set of stats back then, I mean I did this with a Stalker that just had two LPL when it first came out, against an enemy team comprised of mostly assaults.

By the time the first year of MWO ended I upheld a superior than 1.2 kdr despite being a mostly solo player in the 8 versus 8 environments where there was always a premade group of 2 and 2, 3, or 4 players despite whatever I used and I always used silly builds.

With the ELO system, I was put on par with B33f and have several videos in which B33f is present. In one, b33f even called my Banshee an interesting brawler (2 MPL, 1 LPL + AC/10, lots of SPL in chain fire) and I duked it out and killed several. I also have at least two videos with Sean Lang randomly in my match. When the PSR system came around, I was playing a lot less and deliberately tanking because I started out in tier 2 and was NOT happy about it so I tank my stats and I'm very public about that. Tier 2 has a bunch of bitchy, whiny try-hards that don't know what the **** fun is or how to have it. My brief glimpse of tier 1 wasn't much better. The lack of variety in builds up there also made it really boring. "Oh meta build... Gots these weaknesses, engage this way. Another meta build. Those weaknesses, bet you it's built this--yep there goes the ammo. Huh, meta build, so all I gotta do is...boring. God another meta build hashed in stupidity; if you're not using that with support it isn't all that good, you're not even using it -- **** it, you gotta die too."

In tier 3-4 all I gotta do is play a match and I'll find a surprise. "Whoa, what is THAT!? How do I beat that?" "What..the hell was this player thinking? huh, that was kinda effective I might try that." "Dude, seriously? DAMN! O_O! WHAT THE **** HOW COULD IT DO THAT!?!?!?!?! Guess there's some merit, thought that'd be garbage." In other words, down here in the 'gutters of not doing good' I'm finding strange wonders and good fun and I like it here. And if I have to tank my stats for two weeks out of every month to stay there, that's fine by me.

[Koniving]

Keep in mind, LPL only did 9 to 10 damage at the time and had a longer duration, as well as 10 heat. And while it was shortly after the removal of the R&R system I always thought it would come back, so I went well into December with straight standard heatsinks. (Kinda the reason it was only two LPL.) So yeah, basically I ran hard mode. Chain fire while others alpha fired. Etc. I didn't change anything about the way I played until 2013.

Even then, as a pure stock build..



Lots of these.

Also I didn't say no quirks, I said highly offensive quirks.
It needs a niche as a weapons platform, not yet another heftily armored tank.

[Metus regem]

Koniving, on 29 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

In tier 3-4 all I gotta do is play a match and I'll find a surprise. "Whoa, what is THAT!? How do I beat that?" "What..the hell was this player thinking? huh, that was kinda effective I might try that." "Dude, seriously? DAMN! O_O! WHAT THE **** HOW COULD IT DO THAT!?!?!?!?! Guess there's some merit, thought that'd be garbage." In other words, down here in the 'gutters of not doing good' I'm finding strange wonders and good fun and I like it here. And if I have to tank my stats for two weeks out of every month to stay there, that's fine by me.

As someone that (when I do play) I play down in that pit of T4, I can say that I am happy to be down there, I see a lot of questionable things, but I don't see any of the drama...

Besides as someone that loves to run super-stock builds, I'd be overly punished against the meta crowed. I know because I used to play there, when I dropped in CGBI, with their comp team on more than one occasion... I would play against teams like LORDS, 228, CSJ, NS and EMP, so yes I did get my teeth kicked in a few times against such teams, but I found T3/4 much more enjoyable.

[Angus McFife VI]

Koniving, on 29 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

In tier 3-4 all I gotta do is play a match and I'll find a surprise. "Whoa, what is THAT!? How do I beat that?" "What..the hell was this player thinking? huh, that was kinda effective I might try that." "Dude, seriously? DAMN! O_O! WHAT THE **** HOW COULD IT DO THAT!?!?!?!?! Guess there's some merit, thought that'd be garbage." In other words, down here in the 'gutters of not doing good' I'm finding strange wonders and good fun and I like it here. And if I have to tank my stats for two weeks out of every month to stay there, that's fine by me.

Koniving... You do realize that I can easily search up your stats from every season and see that you've consistently, even before the elo-rating age, have gotten sub >1.00 K/D and win rate. Even in season 1 you weren't even close to a 1.25 KDR. And on that note, - Edit - This is wrong

you fail to realize that the concept of "a glass cannon" is completely and utterly useless when you weigh 100 tons, have a MASSIVE profile and are slow as ****, AKA, the Direwolf. Or the Awesome. Or the Atlas pre-quirkening. All were massive, slow and had **** armor compared to their size and as a result die/died extremely quickly. The glass cannon concept does not work in MW:O if you don't have mobility, and I can't fathom having this 100 tonner (which such a low engine cap) be doing anything considered mobile.

You're also purposely ignoring my point that multiple assaults can wield dual hgauss already and the Fafnir will be a glass cannon while the other 2 highly effective, extremely popular assault mechs that are very well armored and hitboxed already exist, effectively outclassing the Fafnir.

Look, at the end of the day people at the bottom of the skill level of any game should not dictate balance over the higher-skilled or competitive audience. The higher skilled players understand the game more than the newer or under performing players.

PS: Deranking so you can start smurfing new players at tier 3-4 is kind of mean don't you think? That is, I mean, if you actually were.

Edited by Dont LRM me please, 29 January 2018 - 04:08 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

Uh, the leaderboards only cover the post-Elo era dude. Literally the last 19 months of the game's life.

[Angus McFife VI]

Yeonne Greene, on 29 January 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Uh, the leaderboards only cover the post-Elo era dude. Literally the last 19 months of the game's life.

Ok, so if that's true then he's literally admitting to sealclubbing a bunch of people who don't even know how to play the game and having to repeatedly tank stats, effectively being a detriment to his team just so he can continue to farm said new players. Is that any better?

Edited by Dont LRM me please, 29 January 2018 - 04:02 PM.

[PocketYoda]

Anything that makes them survive longer than an annihilator..

[Water Bear]

Koniving, on 29 January 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

DAMN! O_O! WHAT THE **** HOW COULD IT DO THAT!?!?!?!?! Guess there's some merit, thought that'd be garbage."

Oh, that happens in T1, just not due to potatoe builds. The first time I saw a COM-2D consistently place top damage on his team, I had that exact same reaction. Turned out that guy is in the top 50 or so on the leader board.

That's the kind of thing that interests me, more so than alien builds.

Back to your un-hijacked, regularly scheduled programming...

[NRP]

Yep. I saw a dude in a COM 1D with 2 SRM4s and 2 flamers. I thought, "Heh, can't run builds like that in T1 games dude." Then he proceeds to just wreck people. Crotch hugging, shutting them down, and pwning legs. I laughed. Until he did it to me.

[MechaBattler]

Give it 15% ballistic range plus another 5% HGauss range will give it the best range of any mech able to equip an HGauss. The Hunchback 4G currently has the highest range with 15% ballistic range. This way it's unique. Otherwise there's other mechs than can do dual Hgauss. And of course some cooldown wouldn't hurt.

Otherwise I would give it a toned down version of what the Annihilators got. Annihilators need their survival quirks do to lower mounts. So the Fafnir with higher mounts shouldn't need it as drastically, but shouldn't be rolling around without any defensive quirks.

[Y E O N N E]

Fafnir is very likely going to have to expose its whole torso to fire, so the high mounts..ain't.

[NRP]

Yep, the Fafnir is gonna be a flasher. Show at least one boob at all times.