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[BEST EGG]

The problem:
Bads, "casual gamers", noobs, new players, boomers, lurmers, etc clog up the lower end of the PSR matchmaking system with their perma-t5 status. This creates a skill cliff when pilots move to tier 2, as suddenly they no longer face walking target practice.

The Solution:

PGI needs to add Tier 6 and Tier 7 to the game. New players would still begin in tier 5. Tier 6 would become the average tier for bads, braindead lurmers, and """casual gamers""", while absolutely useless fools, "muh stock build" players, whales, and literal 10 year olds would be confined to the dredges of bottom tier 7. With extra low tiers, these useless players would no longer clog up more serious tier 4+ games, while still giving tier 5 new players some easy targets(and an introduction to the average skill level in MWO).

Additionally, as tier 7 players would finally face a similar level of incompetence regularly, they may actually feel good about their ability in the game and be inclined to spend some money on it.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Some more tiers, or at the very least just making T3 the base tier and having people actually be able to move up and down easily along with not making a win or loss the main factor of moving would help the tier system a load. Currently people can get carried on up into high tiers through grinding loads of matches while good players can do great every match but be in a team of 11 others who fail to break 200 damage, so they're held in position.

A matchmaker overhaul would be a great thing for PGI to look into.

[El Bandito]

Yes, the PSR system needs to be retuned. So far PGI seems to have forgotten about it entirely. I suggest everyone who actually cares about improving the PSR system to tweet Russ about it. If everyone swamps Russ' twitter with the same issue, he will have to respond. Just like Dane's video.

Edited by El Bandito, 05 February 2018 - 06:04 PM.

[Electron Junkie]

More tiers would be nice... but the queue wait time for tier one is already pretty bad.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Electron Junkie, on 05 February 2018 - 05:50 AM, said:

More tiers would be nice... but the queue wait time for tier one is already pretty bad.

Would probably get better in time if more T1 players weren't driven off by bad matches and players that shouldn't be in T1 were kept in tiers where they wouldn't just get crushed.

[Sjorpha]

The problem here isn't really that there are too few tiers, it is that the PSR calculation has an upwards bias that make it too easy to go up in tier even if you're bad at the game.

Remove upwards bias, add zero sum bell curve distribution of the players across the tiers with the largest tier being tier 3. If someone goes up someone else is pushed down. Only the best 10% or so should be tier 1.

Another problem that happens now because there is no zero sum distribution is that decent players get stacked up against the maximum PSR wall.

Since me and other decently good casuals are maxed out tier 1 the MM literally doesn't understand that players like Proton and Celyth etc are many times better than us and we'll be weighted the same in the MM, which is silly as hell honestly. The game should at least have some way of knowing who is top tier comp level and who isn't.

But sure, some extra tiers might be a good idea too for more granularity in MM, it's just not the main problem.

Edited by Sjorpha, 05 February 2018 - 06:05 AM.

[kesmai]

Op is liking his own post.
Ergo: Disqualification.

[BEST EGG]

kesmai, on 05 February 2018 - 06:06 AM, said:

Op is liking his own post.
Ergo: Disqualification.

Get back in quickplay so I can destroy you

[C E Dwyer]

This is completely pointless.

Adding tiers won't increase population

All adding tiers will do is put P.G.I in the position of having to increase the span of tiers that get matched together, and opening the gates earlier, putting the same people in the same matches that currently happens now, or see match making times go up, to an unsustainable level at t1 and t5

[Water Bear]

BEST EGG, on 05 February 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

literal 10 year olds would be confined to the dredges of bottom tier 7.

If only. My experience in life so far is that there are literal 10 year olds that make me look bad at almost everything I do...except for my ability to be employed.

Edited by Water Bear, 05 February 2018 - 06:18 AM.

[Electron Junkie]

Maybe the upper tiers should only allow so many per tier...

1) 1000
2) 5000
3) 10000
4) 15000
5) everyone else

This would put all the comp players in tier one and keep tier one potatoes like myself in the above average tier 2 while putting the true potatoes in tier 3 and below.

[Sjorpha]

Electron Junkie, on 05 February 2018 - 06:38 AM, said:

Maybe the upper tiers should only allow so many per tier...

1) 1000
2) 5000
3) 10000
4) 15000
5) everyone else

This would put all the comp players in tier one and keep tier one potatoes like myself in the above average tier 2 while putting the true potatoes in tier 3 and below.

There are fewest at the highest and lowest skill levels, so the largest tier should be tier 3, and it should be a percentage rather than a fixed number so more something like this:

1) 10%
2) 20%
3) 30%
4) 20%
5) 10%

[PocketYoda]

I just made tier 3 and well i'm considering quitting.. I just cannot beat those people and frankly don't want to be stomped every match.. I was happy in tier 4 winning occasionally.. Now i'm stomped every match, why am i wasting my time in a game to be gun fodder for players vastly superior to me..

Either add new tiers or let us lock ourselves into a tier we feel comfortable with.

[Electron Junkie]

Maybe get rid of tiers all together and go strictly by average match score. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Would keep better players higher on the totem and even those who choose to drop lower on purpose won't be able to stay there for long.

[MrMadguy]

BEST EGG, on 05 February 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

The problem:
Bads, "casual gamers", noobs, new players, boomers, lurmers, etc clog up the lower end of the PSR matchmaking system with their perma-t5 status. This creates a skill cliff when pilots move to tier 2, as suddenly they no longer face walking target practice.

The Solution:

PGI needs to add Tier 6 and Tier 7 to the game. New players would still begin in tier 5. Tier 6 would become the average tier for bads, braindead lurmers, and """casual gamers""", while absolutely useless fools, "muh stock build" players, whales, and literal 10 year olds would be confined to the dredges of bottom tier 7. With extra low tiers, these useless players would no longer clog up more serious tier 4+ games, while still giving tier 5 new players some easy targets(and an introduction to the average skill level in MWO).

Additionally, as tier 7 players would finally face a similar level of incompetence regularly, they may actually feel good about their ability in the game and be inclined to spend some money on it.

Pointless solution, as it's proved fact, that it's impossible to drop even with sub 100dmg per match performance. Proved by me. Also, hell starts in Tier 3, as you start being matched against Tier 1s. I don't see any difference after getting to Tier 2. Same hell.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

problem with the tier-system we have right now and additional tiers:
doesn't change a thing.

t1+2 are still being flooded by "XP-bar-syndrome" players, as everybody will get there eventually. no matter how bad you play, you will get to t1 if you only do enough QP games (and I can see why PGI does that, but..).
and that creates all those 12:1-3 games nobody enjoys and which are the norm by now in QP.

IMO we need a psr-reset and a better method to keep tiers apart. maybe fixed numbers in percentages and something relevant as a MM-base in the future to get those numbers.

the current system just doesn't work, wether it's 5 tiers, 7 or 89.

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 05 February 2018 - 08:02 AM.

[TLBFestus]

You can fiddle with PSR and tiers as much as you like, but nothing you or PGI does will fix whats wrong with this game.

The number of players is too low to support any significantly effective ranking system.

[Koniving]

BEST EGG, on 05 February 2018 - 05:20 AM, said:

The problem:
Bads, "casual gamers", noobs, new players, boomers, lurmers, etc clog up the lower end of the PSR matchmaking system with their perma-t5 status. This creates a skill cliff when pilots move to tier 2, as suddenly they no longer face walking target practice.

The Solution:

PGI needs to add Tier 6 and Tier 7 to the game. New players would still begin in tier 5. Tier 6 would become the average tier for bads, braindead lurmers, and """casual gamers""", while absolutely useless fools, "muh stock build" players, whales, and literal 10 year olds would be confined to the dredges of bottom tier 7. With extra low tiers, these useless players would no longer clog up more serious tier 4+ games, while still giving tier 5 new players some easy targets(and an introduction to the average skill level in MWO).

Additionally, as tier 7 players would finally face a similar level of incompetence regularly, they may actually feel good about their ability in the game and be inclined to spend some money on it.

I agree there should be more tiers added, however they should be added upward (t1 and beyond) not downward (tier 5 and downward).

Players just starting out can make tier 3 within a week, and not long ago a new player (not an alt) complained about hitting tier 1 in 431 matches. We frequently hear things about new players skyrocketing it to high tiers, and the "XP bar" syndrome.

Its harder for long term players to go up (or down as I can tell you) than it is for new players as the total number of matches are what muddle progression one way or the other. A new player can jump tiers very quickly with a good or bad match, going up or down quite a bit within the first 20 matches. It takes me over 100 matches to bring the bar down or up just a tiny bit (with my goal being down to ride on the tier 3/4 line where it is fun and exciting with enough surprise and random builds to enjoy fresh new experiences rather than constant streams of meta tryhards).

If new players are clogging anything, it is tiers 3, 2 and 1.

Edited by Koniving, 05 February 2018 - 08:16 AM.

[Novakaine]

I'd like a tier for those who like their own post.
Definitely not the people I'd like to play with.

[BEST EGG]

Novakaine, on 05 February 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

I'd like a tier for those who like their own post.
Definitely not the people I'd like to play with.

Don't worry, I won't be seeing tier 5 players for much longer.