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[Bud Crue]

The thread about the Atlas needing more armor:
https://mwomercs.com...-an-armor-buff/

The thread about the Locust being useless:
https://mwomercs.com...locust-useless/

The Nightstar under performing:
https://mwomercs.com...der-preforming/

Clans in general being whoa is me nerfed:
https://mwomercs.com...yond-any-limit/

And those are just this week's complaints.

So I gotta question:
Can ya all give me a mech (variant or whole chassis if ya have one) that ya think is just fine, or pretty good but not great, or about where it ought to be, or god forbid is in your humble opinion "balanced" (and if you answer in terms of "balanced" how or relative to what is it balanced)? Gimmie the build too.

I don't care if you think a mech sucks or a mech is OP. I'm interested in hearing about those mechs that you think are fairly...OK. There has to be some, right?

Edit:
Think baseline performers here folks; not the current meta and not trash.

Edited by Bud Crue, 16 February 2018 - 04:03 PM.

[Bud Crue]

I'll go first. I think the Novas are pretty OK. I have good days and bad. Fairly hot but can pack punch. Decent movement and profile. Ground hugger shape gives it benefits and drawbacks. Its OK.

Hunch IIC has better hard points and variety and the Huntsman hits harder and is more agile. Not as tanky as a Crab but hits a lot harder. Superior to most IS Hunchback builds but inferior to the Centurion despite that things one dimensional play style. Clearly superior to the Enforcer with the possible exception of the old energy vomit build. Etc. I think the Nova fits well within the confines of the 50 tn bracket.

Edited by Bud Crue, 16 February 2018 - 03:10 PM.

[ramp4ge]

Pretty much every mech in the game is serviceable to someone somewhere. There's always someone that will make anything work. So it's really hard to get a grasp on what's good and what isn't without looking at some sort of global statistics on damage and earned EXP per chassis.

But if you want to know which mechs are performing well in the current game (at least in QP), play 5 or 6 games and look at the recurring themes. You'll pretty much see the same chassis over and over again.

[Metus regem]

I think the Bushwacker is in a good place right now, same can be said for the Warhammer... As for the others, it's been a while since they left the hanger with me...

From what I've seen, the Mad Cat Mk. II is in a good place, same with the Marauder IIC.

[Bud Crue]

ramp4ge, on 16 February 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

Pretty much every mech in the game is serviceable to someone somewhere. There's always someone that will make anything work. So it's really hard to get a grasp on what's good and what isn't without looking at some sort of global statistics on damage and earned EXP per chassis.

But if you want to know which mechs are performing well in the current game (at least in QP), play 5 or 6 games and look at the recurring themes. You'll pretty much see the same chassis over and over again.

I couldn't care less about statistical comparisons here. I'm asking for the mech or mechs people feel are OK to them. Their purely subjective take on those that they feel are about where they should be in their opinion.

Edited by Bud Crue, 16 February 2018 - 03:15 PM.

[Scyther]

Even though they are outclassed now, I generally did well in my King Crabs.

Marauder IIC seems to work pretty well. I've never felt my Hellbringers were underprivileged.

Most of my info/impressions are somewhat dated at this point though so I won't mention any of the others that I felt were doing OK.

[DerHuhnTeufel]

I think the commandos and wolfhounds are in a decent spot.

Clan lights seem to lack some maneuverability compared to IS lights for some reason. Been using the arctic cheetah lately and I'd swear the ice ferret turns better than it does.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

I fear commenting....lest the “ok” mechs I name get balanced down (nerfed) to the level of the mechs that really need help.

Edited by Marquis De Lafayette, 16 February 2018 - 03:18 PM.

[Zh0u]

Urbie lol.

[Bud Crue]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 16 February 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

I fear commenting....lest the “ok” mechs I name get balanced down (nerfed) to the level of the mechs that really need help.

Ya know I thought about that...even expressed it on the thread about "fun mechs" on Reddit. But ya know PGI is gonna nerf what its gonna nerf. I mean if these people really have stats that show , for example, that the Timber is out performing most of the meta heavy mechs currently in play...yet they don't nerf it for some odd reason...then who cares. May as well be just as subjective as they are. and try to figure out what the people actually playing the game think of as their own relative baseline mechs and builds.

[The Basilisk]

On IS side:
-- Assault: Annihilator, Highlander, Cyclops, Battlemaster
-- Heavy: Black Knight, Warhammer, Roughneck, Rifleman 5D
-- Medium: Wolverine 7D, Crab, Assassin
-- Light: Wolfhound, Urbanmech

On Clan side:
-- Assault: Madcat MKII, Marauder IIC
-- Heavy: Hellbringer, Maddog
-- Medium: Huntsman, Stormcrow
-- Light: ACH, KitFox,

[FireStoat]

My humble opinion with an eye towards FUN for me in terms of mechs to pilot.

IS lights - Wolfhound, Urbanmech
IS mediums - bushwacker, crab, shadowhawk
IS heavies - warhammer, marauder, cataphract
IS assaults - battlemaster, king crab

clan lights - kit fox, adder, arctic cheetah
clain mediums - huntsman, stormcrow
clan heavies - mad dog, ebon jaguar, orion IIC
clan assaults - marauder IIC, madcat mk II

I don't feel 'gimped' when I play one of the above mechs. I take them seriously and respect them if I have to face off against them as well. I wish a large number of mechs could be examined and be tuned in a way that makes them as much fun for me to play as well. I left the hellbringer off the list and a few other meta choices because while they can be horrifically effective, I just don't have FUN in them.

[Bud Crue]

The Basilisk, on 16 February 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

On IS side:
-- Assault: Annihilator, Highlander, Cyclops, Battlemaster
-- Heavy: Black Knight, Warhammer, Roughneck, Rifleman 5D
-- Medium: Wolverine 7D, Crab, Assassin
-- Light: Wolfhound, Urbanmech

On Clan side:
-- Assault: Madcat MKII, Marauder IIC
-- Heavy: Hellbringer, Maddog
-- Medium: Huntsman, Stormcrow
-- Light: ACH, KitFox,

Some interesting picks there for mechs that are just "OK"; particularly some of your assault selections (i'd think the Annihilator and MKIIs for example are far better than merely fine) but hey this is subjective after all.

Edited by Bud Crue, 16 February 2018 - 03:39 PM.

[Khobai]

hunchback IIC and orion IIC are also both fine IMO

they do what theyre supposed to do and do it exceedingly well

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Clan lights seem to lack some maneuverability compared to IS lights for some reason. Been using the arctic cheetah lately and I'd swear the ice ferret turns better than it does.

the plight of engine desync

clan mechs got slammed with massive agility nerfs just for being clan mechs

even the clan mechs that should be agile like the arctic cheetah...


and the extreme of that was giving mechs like night gyr the same agility as a 95 or 100 tonner... why?

itd be fine if they made the night gyr slightly less agile than the baseline for a 75 tonner, perhaps the same as an 80-85 tonner. but a 95-100 tonner? that kills all the fun of playing a 75 ton mech.

Edited by Khobai, 16 February 2018 - 03:55 PM.

[Bud Crue]

Khobai, on 16 February 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

hunchback IIC and orion IIC are also both fine IMO

they do what theyre supposed to do and do it exceedingly well

A mech that is doing something exceedingly well relative to others is probably better than just fine, no?.

I'm looking for mechs that aren't good and aren't bad, but that you'd rate them as being middle of the pack; your baseline performers if you will. Sure they could be better and of course they could be worse but as is they aren't your own personal meta but they are, well, "fine" in their current state for whatever reason.

[Khobai]

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A mech that is doing something exceedingly well relative to others is probably better than just fine, no?.

depends what they do exceedingly well

the orion IIC does brawling exceedingly well but its not really good for anything else. so its fine.

but the hunchback IIC can do multiple things exceedingly well and is widely considered one of the best if not the best medium. thats probably better than fine.

[Kanil]

Of the 'mechs I use regularly, the Orion IIC strikes me as "fine". It's really good at it's thing, but it's got enough weaknesses to counteract that.

The Huntsman isn't as good as the Hunchback IIC, but is still usable enough. I don't know if that's "fine" or if it's "too good" and the HBK is "way too good".

[raidarr]

Spider, for its lack of popularity, is a rather effective harasser. Don't need a buff, and certainly don't need a nerf

[Jay Leon Hart]

I do love me a good OK list!

Not thinking too hard on this, but some 'mechs that are middle-of-the-road performers for me and fine/OK by my play standards;
Light - Osiris, Raven, Adder, Cougar
Medium - Phoenix Hawk, Hunchback, Viper, Stormcrow
Heavy - Jagermech, Black Knight, Mad Dog, Timber Wolf
Assault - Zeus, Stalker, Warhawk, Dire Wolf

[CFC Conky]

Centurion, Blackjack, and Enforcer are ok.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky