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[Escef]

FupDup, on 25 February 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

The large difference between the winner and loser counts isn't significant?

It is significant, but it doesn't lend itself to any conclusion about motivation based upon the presented data.

EDIT: For example, why is it that your conclusion is that people are more likely to be sore winners than sore losers? One could just as easily conclude that the losing team is twice as likely to have a "f*** you guys" attitude and wander off without saying anything.

Edited by Escef, 25 February 2018 - 04:27 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

FupDup, on 25 February 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

The large difference between the winner and loser counts isn't significant?

I could make a counter conclusion that the winning team has more people saying GG because the winning team is the team that is more likely to communicate, thus they'd be the ones also chatting in all chat while the losing team didn't speak with their team or the enemy team.

[FupDup]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 25 February 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

I could make a counter conclusion that the winning team has more people saying GG because the winning team is the team that is more likely to communicate, thus they'd be the ones also chatting in all chat while the losing team didn't speak with their team or the enemy team.

These numbers were all taken from the pug queue, where communication is usually not that much of a thing even on the winning team. I also can't account for the red team's communication or lack thereof (because I can't hear/see their team chat) so it would be hard to try to measure that.

Escef, on 25 February 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

It is significant, but it doesn't lend itself to any conclusion about motivation based upon the presented data.

EDIT: For example, why is it that your conclusion is that people are more likely to be sore winners than sore losers? One could just as easily conclude that the losing team is twice as likely to have a "f*** you guys" attitude and wander off without saying anything.

I'm drawing the conclusion based on a literal interpretation of "good game" ("I enjoyed the match" or something to that effect). If GG is to be taken literally, then people seem to enjoy winning more often than losing. That's pretty natural in and of itself (I know that I certainly prefer winning more than losing in most cases), my issue is when people don't want to admit it.

Edited by FupDup, 25 February 2018 - 04:36 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

FupDup, on 25 February 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

These numbers were all taken from the pug queue, where communication is usually not that much of a thing even on the winning team. I also can't account for the red team's communication or lack thereof (because I can't hear/see their team chat) so it would be hard to try to measure that.

People may also say GG if it was a good game for them personally. You're more likely to have a great game on the winning team than on the losing team. Even I'll say GG on a loss if I personally racked up loads of damage and a handfull of kills while everyone else on my team had the worst match of their career.

A good game is relative. Besides, what does it matter anyway? GG can be interpreted in lots of ways and people can just choose to interpret it in a way that doesn't offend them. If they are getting offended by someone saying GG on some online shooter then they have some other issues they need to look at.

[S1C4R10]

Getting thrashed 12 - 1,2,3,4,5,6, and even 7 is not a, "good game." Not to say that I haven't been in a 12-7 loss that wasn't hard fought and close to a good game. Salty? Yeah, I was raised with manners. Saying good game to the team that just got beat by a team with only 3 dead mechs out of 12 is taunting. How could it have been a good game getting thumped like that? How?
Think back to the last time it came down to you and another teammate vs 3 and against the odds pulled out the victory. That's a good game. I remember several times where I was the last one left and defeated the opposition to claim the victory...and others that I got outpiloted and died. Those were good games.
...and I don't give a sh*t if you used to line up in little league and say good game to the losers you just murdered or the fact that we were programmed as children to line up and shake hands and say good game, even if it wasn't. Why? We're adults now, and we now that was just to teach values and that we really didn't mean good game, nor did the opposition when they beat us spitting that phrase out like emotionless robots.
I love having close matches, i.e. good games. When those happen red and blue ggs instantly fly in the top left hand corner, and you know for certain that they aren't preprogrammed, fake, shake my hand b!tch, good game jabs.

[Escef]

FupDup, on 25 February 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

I'm drawing the conclusion based on a literal interpretation of "good game" ("I enjoyed the match" or something to that effect).

But that's not what your conclusion was a few minutes ago.

FupDup, on 25 February 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

This basically shows that the little theory of "it's a handshake dude" isn't actually playing out in reality. People seem to only want to "shake hands" when they win.

So, basically, if you win, you don't want to thank the opposing team for the match, you want to trash talk them. That's your conclusion. You are trying to infer motivation when you collected no data on it. Your conclusion is conjecture.

[Brain Cancer]

Variant1, on 25 February 2018 - 02:24 PM, said:

In recent matches people dont seem to understand the concept of gg-ing. So ill do my best to help everyone one out

When gg-ing type it after the losing team has gg-ed not before, if you do before the losing team it is considered bad manners. Please gg responsibly and avoid creating salt. In fact it is best to say: "thank you for the match" instead as it is more neutral and less bound to create salt.

avoid gg-ing in matches that are close to stomps say 2-12 or 0-12 as this tends to generate the most amounts of salt.

remember only to gg after the losing team and have fun mechwarriors. hopefully this will lead to the future of better manners and more pleasant matches

I always assume GG means "Git gud." when it's a stomp.

Because surely, your opponents were not good compared to you.

[Jay Leon Hart]

o> / 07 - before a match
GG - after a match if it was close and I actually enjoyed it
well played reds - after a match if we lost, but were outplayed

[Bonfor]

Yeonne Greene, on 25 February 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

It's the legacy of House of Lords, still haunting the community.

I just say "thanks for the match" if it was a stomp in my favor. "GG" is for the actual good games.

I haven't seen a "ggclose" in a while now...

[Variant1]

Escef, on 25 February 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Why assume people are talking crap?

Im not but from general when i viewed starcraft games it was usualy the losing opponent that said it. i have no problems with it its just once in a while ill see someone on my team getting salty about the enemy team gg-ing

Vxheous, on 25 February 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

I will GG however and whenever I want. Take it as you will, salty tears are delicious as well.

You have the right to gg and i have no problem with that. salty tears being delicious is concerning however.....

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 25 February 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

Lol at this thread popping up every month. Why do people even care about something so pathetically small?

wierd i tried using the search forum for gg, manners and good game and nothing came up before posting. i only found results on google.

[K O Z A K]

this is why I never bother GGing unless it was an actual really close great fight between comparably skilled teams

from what I see most people basically use:

07, glhf = hi
gg = bye

[ANOM O MECH]

I am not sure if you suffer from some sort of mental deficiency, if so than I apologise in advance.

If not, it is pretty ridiculous for someone to think that this magical knowledge of how to behave is something others are deprived of and must be past on.

But I mean, keep on keeping on if training adults how to behave properly is your thing.

Good luck with that.

[SeventhSL]

Lol snowflakes. I guess this is what happens when every one gets a trophy. No one experiances defeat and so no one learns to be gracious in defeat or victory.

If someone saying "Good game" to you when you lose is an issue, then the problem is you and your shallow and feeble character. If you feel the need to say "Good game" in a spiteful way then the problem is you and your shallow and feeble character.

Lol GG is an issue. How are you going to survive in the real world?

[Scout Derek]

SeventhSL, on 25 February 2018 - 05:32 PM, said:

Lol GG is an issue. How are you going to survive in the real world?

This is why we can't have nice things.

[PocketYoda]

People mostly only say GG when they stomp you.. No one says GG when they have been stomped.. It spitefulness plain and simple.. Which fits this community in general.

Its basically like saying "we beat you losers haha..." be more honest than GG imo.

Edited by Samial, 25 February 2018 - 06:00 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Samial, on 25 February 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

People mostly only say GG when they stomp you.. No one says GG when they have been stomped.. It spitefulness plain and simple.. Which fits this community in general.

Its basically like saying "we beat you losers haha..." be more honest than GG imo.

If they were truly so spiteful as you'd imagine they'd outright say "we beat you losers, haha" after a match, most likely doubting that you'd have the mental capacity to understand their GG was sarcasm.

Instead they're just saying GG and anything you come up with about it is pure fiction. Gotta keep that self esteem up and stop thinking everyone's out to make fun of you. We're adults here, nothing's stopping people from calling each other out outright rather than hiding behind subtlety.

[Xetelian]

I say GG on losses that are stomps
I say GG on wins that are stomps

I say GG as a force of habit, not out of sarcasm or to be rude.

[Wil McCullough]

FupDup, on 25 February 2018 - 04:24 PM, said:

The large difference between the winner and loser counts isn't significant?

There's an argument for correlation vs causation.

I'm not surprised more winners "gg" than losers though. And i seriously doubt it's to rub it in unlike what a previous poster believes. That feels like a big stretch. The way i've seen it being used in this game, it's more like an exchange:
Gg (no hard feelings)
Gg (none taken)

Then both sides move on. But obviously judging by the existence of this thread, there WERE hard feelings from the losers lol?

[Mcgral18]

Bonfor, on 25 February 2018 - 05:06 PM, said:

I haven't seen a "ggclose" in a while now...

I always put a GGclose
Only, I say it when we lose
Horribly

GGclose, MM, GGclothes

[SeventhSL]

Samial, on 25 February 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

People mostly only say GG when they stomp you.. No one says GG when they have been stomped.. It spitefulness plain and simple.. Which fits this community in general.

Its basically like saying "we beat you losers haha..." be more honest than GG imo.

But what does it matter? If I get stomped and someone says GG to me then I take it as good sportsmanship and say GG back. If they meant it as an insult then the jokes on them.

If someone does insult then it's no skin off my nose. They are the ones with such sad lives that they feel the need to say stuff like that on a win.

Words, unlike physical violence, only hurt you if you let them.