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[Zergling]

Kaeb Odellas, on 20 March 2018 - 01:00 AM, said:

I just backstabbed a fresh enemy blackjack before he had a chance to properly react. He had just enough time to start twisting before he died. If it was a heavier mech, he would have survived with no torso weapons left.

These things are pretty gross.

Then he started twisting too late, and probably had an XL engine.

And I backstabbed an Ebon Jaguar with a laser vomit Timby the other night, and he died before he even knew he was taking damage; if it had been a Piranha backstabbing him, he would have had several seconds to react and turn/twist.

Edited by Zergling, 20 March 2018 - 01:34 AM.

[DerHuhnTeufel]

Kaeb Odellas, on 20 March 2018 - 01:23 AM, said:

The difference is that the piranha doesn't have to worry about heat at all, and is just as dangerous in a brawl as it is in an ambush.

I can rip apart one target and attack another one. I don't have to run away to cool down.

And even if I don't quite kill the target, they'll still be missing quite a lot of equipment.

If you have multiple people around you in a brawl and you live more than a few seconds, they've screwed up or they can't aim. Which has been my entire point all along. The only thing a piranha does is punish things faster than other lights, but it doesn't really do anything other lights can't already do. And in return for doing things faster, it dies that much faster, too.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Zergling, on 20 March 2018 - 01:32 AM, said:

Then he started twisting too late, and probably had an XL engine.

And I backstabbed an Ebon Jaguar with a laser vomit Timby the other night, and he died before he even knew he was taking damage; if it had been a Piranha backstabbing him, he would have had several seconds to react and turn/twist.

The Timber Wolf is a 75 ton mech. It can carry an entire light mech's weight in weapons. It is entirely appropriate that it can one-shot smaller mechs from behind if it line up the shot. If you let the relatively sluggish Timber Wolf get behind you as a lighter mech, you've made a mistake.

Whereas getting behind an enemy mech in a Piranha is a trivial exercise. It should not be able to kill or crippple mechs twice its size by just getting behind it and shooting for 2 seconds.

And it was a rear CT kill, so a standard or LFE wouldn't have helped.

DerHuhnTeufel, on 20 March 2018 - 01:55 AM, said:

If you have multiple people around you in a brawl and you live more than a few seconds, they've screwed up or they can't aim. Which has been my entire point all along. The only thing a piranha does is punish things faster than other lights, but it doesn't really do anything other lights can't already do. And in return for doing things faster, it dies that much faster, too.

Or they're shooting at other targets, which tends to happen quite often in a brawl. I'm not suggesting a Piranha can rush into an enemy deathball by itself and kill everything no sweat, but no light can do that.

Sure, there are other MG boating lights like the ACH or MLX, but the Piranha hold several advantages over those mechs. The Piranha is smaller, faster, harder to hit, and can't be easily disarmed by picking off its arms. True, Piranhas are very vulnerable to streaks and ATMs, but so are other lights.

Edited by Kaeb Odellas, 20 March 2018 - 02:21 AM.

[Catra Lanis]

DerHuhnTeufel, on 20 March 2018 - 01:55 AM, said:

If you have multiple people around you in a brawl and you live more than a few seconds, they've screwed up or they can't aim. Which has been my entire point all along. The only thing a piranha does is punish things faster than other lights, but it doesn't really do anything other lights can't already do. And in return for doing things faster, it dies that much faster, too.

And how often do you see this competent people in QP which is what matters because it's the biggest part of the game? A light LoLrunning into a bunch of mechs, completing a lap or 2 and leaving with yellow armor isn't the exception it's the norm.

These mythical competent players that can oneshot a light 9 times out of 10 have been strangely absent during my 4 years in this game. Maybe it's time to use what's really happening on a daily base as a reference instead of what players can do on paper.

[Imperius]

Kaeb Odellas, on 20 March 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

The Timber Wolf is a 75 ton mech. It can carry an entire light mech's weight in weapons. It is entirely appropriate that it can one-shot smaller mechs from behind if it line up the shot. If you let the relatively sluggish Timber Wolf get behind you as a lighter mech, you've made a mistake.

Whereas getting behind an enemy mech in a Piranha is a trivial exercise. It should not be able to kill or crippple mechs twice its size by just getting behind it and shooting for 2 seconds.

And it was a rear CT kill, so a standard or LFE wouldn't have helped.





Or they're shooting at other targets, which tends to happen quite often in a brawl. I'm not suggesting a Piranha can rush into an enemy deathball by itself and kill everything no sweat, but no light can do that.

Sure, there are other MG boating lights like the ACH or MLX, but the Piranha hold several advantages over those mechs. The Piranha is smaller, faster, harder to hit, and can't be easily disarmed by picking off its arms. True, Piranhas are very vulnerable to streaks and ATMs, but so are other lights.

Catra Lanis, on 20 March 2018 - 02:14 AM, said:

And how often do you see this competent people in QP which is what matters because it's the biggest part of the game? A light LoLrunning into a bunch of mechs, completing a lap or 2 and leaving with yellow armor isn't the exception it's the norm.

These mythical competent players that can oneshot a light 9 times out of 10 have been strangely absent during my 4 years in this game. Maybe it's time to use what's really happening on a daily base as a reference instead of what players can do on paper.

Look two other people who actually get it.

[MechWarrior5152251]

Without the Piranha I would not bother with back armor.

[Battlemaster56]

Imperius, on 20 March 2018 - 02:41 AM, said:

Look two other people who actually get it.

I see two players who whining bout a mech who have to risk alot just to get in and actually do damage, and most likely incompent shots when it comes down to it.

And a guy who want light mechs crush because they can actually have cake and eat it. And making alot claims without statistical facts or evdience.

This deserve to be a meme.

[Imperius]

Battlemaster56, on 20 March 2018 - 03:10 AM, said:

I see two players who whining bout a mech who have to risk alot just to get in and actually do damage, and most likely incompent shots when it comes down to it.

And a guy who want light mechs crush because they can actually have cake and eat it. And making alot claims without statistical facts or evdience.

This deserve to be a meme.

And I see a bunch trying to keep their toy so they can keep farming potatoes.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Catra Lanis, on 20 March 2018 - 02:14 AM, said:

And how often do you see this competent people in QP which is what matters because it's the biggest part of the game? A light LoLrunning into a bunch of mechs, completing a lap or 2 and leaving with yellow armor isn't the exception it's the norm.

These mythical competent players that can oneshot a light 9 times out of 10 have been strangely absent during my 4 years in this game. Maybe it's time to use what's really happening on a daily base as a reference instead of what players can do on paper.

most this guys not drive LRM Assaults or King Crabs with 6 MGs...Assaults in QP most Dead Mass for the Teams...Saturday killed me a Piranha ...im was by 53 % and red and alone ..my Fault..next match im killed a Pir with 2 UAC5 after 10 Seconds...no problem im seeing with the little Ticks

Edited by Old MW4 Ranger, 20 March 2018 - 03:33 AM.

[PocketYoda]

Darian DelFord, on 19 March 2018 - 06:28 PM, said:

Ummm no they don't they actually lock on very quickly. Two slavos from a crow, archer, mad dog, or any streak boater will all but eliminate a light mech.

Lies and untruth.

[Curccu]

Catra Lanis, on 20 March 2018 - 02:14 AM, said:

These mythical competent players that can oneshot a light 9 times out of 10 have been strangely absent during my 4 years in this game.

Maybe those mythical creatures live in higher tiers?

after heavy gauss was introduced so many light mechs have left games with 0-30 damage.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Battlemaster56, on 20 March 2018 - 03:10 AM, said:

I see two players who whining bout a mech who have to risk alot just to get in and actually do damage, and most likely incompent shots when it comes down to it.

And a guy who want light mechs crush because they can actually have cake and eat it. And making alot claims without statistical facts or evdience.

This deserve to be a meme.

Is this supposed to be a dig at me? I own a Piranha collector's pack. I do pretty goddamn well in my PIR-1.

[PocketYoda]

Battlemaster56, on 20 March 2018 - 03:10 AM, said:

I see two players who whining bout a mech who have to risk alot just to get in and actually do damage, and most likely incompent shots when it comes down to it.

And a guy who want light mechs crush because they can actually have cake and eat it. And making alot claims without statistical facts or evdience.

This deserve to be a meme.

I like light mechs i play some, i just can see an unbalanced issue and i say so. Machine gun boating mechs need to be fixed.

[Curccu]

Imperius, on 20 March 2018 - 03:23 AM, said:

And I see a bunch trying to keep their toy so they can keep farming potatoes.

Magical words!
Farmin potatoes, it does not matter very much with what mech non-potato player is using and still can farm potatoes.

[Darian DelFord]

Imperius, on 19 March 2018 - 05:53 PM, said:

Sadly thanks to the pro lights group here they have caused too much damage with their views and opinions. Allowing half systems to be implemented and unnecessary nerfs like engine desync and excessive Ghost Heat implementations. So when I see an issue like this it’s time for me to stomp my feet. As I said before I made the mistake of backing out of important conversations like these and things went the wrong direction.

So by the logic that has obviously been accepted 12MG with high DPS and zero heat generation. I expect that logic to be implemented here.

We will never have diversity.
LRM’s will forever be trash.
Proper collisions and needed systems never added.

Umm if you think the "Pro Light Groups" are responsible for the nerfs over the years you are sadly, gravely and utterly mistaken. THE ONLY change the pro light core asked for was an uncoupling of the engines from agility. The nerf to PPC Gauss that you keep referring to was actually talked about more at the Heavy and assault level. That is also why the guass is literally a glass cannon now. Be careful what you say those of us that have been around and active for a long long time have very long memories.

Samial, on 19 March 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

No thats not it at all..

The issue is four light machine gun mechs can destroy four Assault mechs with ease and very little skill, myst lynxs Piranhas and Cheetahs can take insane amounts of damage due to latency shield and speed hitreg etc..

Just yesterday i hit one with 5xMRM40 direct hits and it still killed me like it was untouched..

Ummm completely and utterly untrue. 4 machine guns take forever to destroy the front CT of an assault mech. Rear CT completely depends on how much armor you have on there. Most assaults run less than 2 to 5. That is your OWN CHOICE. Once MG's get into structure, well can't argue that one.

Also if you think lag shield is bad now, dude you should have been here years ago. Hit Reg is 100 times better than what it was. And it gets blamed way way to much for people's inability to lead a target.

kuma8877, on 19 March 2018 - 06:33 PM, said:

I can't use them for crap, but some people can, and when I get a sense of the latter, I get the heck outta dodge.... or I die.


Being able to get one shotted with relative ease (considering the alphas out there) is a pretty open ended counter.

When lights see a streak boat.... we avoid that area at all costs..... yes they are that good at what they do vs a light

Max Rickson, on 19 March 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

I loved this topic it made me laugh so much!!!

Here's some tips from a light pilot why cause no-one listens...
1. Pop a UAV, its just 40k cbills and can make the diff from loosing to winning.
2. Look at radar see your UAV!!! *Shock* and then look for nearest wall.
3. RUN or BACKUP and put your backside to the nearest wall
4. Then Unlock your mechs arms to shoot face huggers

5. No wall, then back up to nearest LoS friendly, and hope they "accidentally" don't shoot your back too.

But 3 times in 5 I loves me a good face hugging time cause non-lights got arms locked and it makes me LOLz as my teeny little dakas shootaz your ..face.. clean off the map!


Seriously do newbie posts like this one still appear monthly???
Before Piranha it was all boo hoo your Mist Lynx G, or Cheeta E blew my face off (Austin Powers voice: Yeah baby it did!)
Older players will recall Locust 1V and firerstarter E (before size nerf) being the 4x MG OP lights back in the day but the spiders probably still give some of them nightmares lol.

Just tell newbs to smarten up in game chat with just this 1 line of text:
"Pop UAV, back to wall, Unlock Arms, shoot light, problem solved, carry on."

Again another good point. Damn assaults and heavies have to have all their damage go to one location so they arm lock. Can not tell you how many times I whould have been fried by arm weapons but they fired over my head. Again a conscious CHOICE by the assault player due to lack of skill with aiming. Yet they come crying to the forums for nerfs!!!!

Kaeb Odellas, on 20 March 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

The Timber Wolf is a 75 ton mech. It can carry an entire light mech's weight in weapons. It is entirely appropriate that it can one-shot smaller mechs from behind if it line up the shot. If you let the relatively sluggish Timber Wolf get behind you as a lighter mech, you've made a mistake.

Whereas getting behind an enemy mech in a Piranha is a trivial exercise. It should not be able to kill or crippple mechs twice its size by just getting behind it and shooting for 2 seconds.

And it was a rear CT kill, so a standard or LFE wouldn't have helped.





Or they're shooting at other targets, which tends to happen quite often in a brawl. I'm not suggesting a Piranha can rush into an enemy deathball by itself and kill everything no sweat, but no light can do that.

Sure, there are other MG boating lights like the ACH or MLX, but the Piranha hold several advantages over those mechs. The Piranha is smaller, faster, harder to hit, and can't be easily disarmed by picking off its arms. True, Piranhas are very vulnerable to streaks and ATMs, but so are other lights.

I am sorry but a Timber DOES NOT have to get behind a light mech to one shot or disable it. With the firepower they can carry they are quite capable of doing that front and center at greater than 350 to 800 meters. So please.... just don't

Samial, on 20 March 2018 - 03:30 AM, said:

Lies and untruth.

Ummm no (Urbie don't count)

Edited by Darian DelFord, 20 March 2018 - 03:38 AM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

Darian DelFord, on 20 March 2018 - 03:38 AM, said:

I am sorry but a Timber DOES NOT have to get behind a light mech to one shot or disable it. With the firepower they can carry they are quite capable of doing that front and center at greater than 350 to 800 meters. So please.... just don't

I didn't say light mechs. I said smaller mechs. As in mechs smaller than the Timber Wolf.

It's entirely reasonable for a heavy mech to be able to wreck a light mech in one salvo, because a well-piloted light makes itself very hard to hit.

It's not very reasonable for a light mech to be able to wreck a mech 5 times its size by standing behind it for a few seconds, because as it turns out, getting behind an enemy mech in a Piranha isn't very hard at all.

[Iron Heel]

A lone B-17 vs a fighter is a tough row to hoe for the B-17.
That's why the bombers stays with its escort planes and repels the smaller planes as a GROUP..

[Battlemaster56]

Imperius, on 20 March 2018 - 03:23 AM, said:

And I see a bunch trying to keep their toy so they can keep farming potatoes.

I don't need a pirahana to farm, when I can just go in my Timberwolf Warrant hero and do with great ease, hell my Scorch and MAD BH2 already good potato farmers.

Kaeb Odellas, on 20 March 2018 - 03:32 AM, said:

Is this supposed to be a dig at me? I own a Piranha collector's pack. I do pretty goddamn well in my PIR-1.

If I want to attack you I clearly call you out by name, and good for you I own the ultimate pack and do well in mine.

Samial, on 20 March 2018 - 03:33 AM, said:

I like light mechs i play some, i just can see an unbalanced issue and i say so. Machine gun boating mechs need to be fixed.

You got problem with a dps mech that require the face time that heavy mech can ST a heavy or core out a medium. And going up to assassinate such bigs is such a risk that another mech can simple fire the weakest of alpha's and oneshot it's back.

[McValium]

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