22 replies to this topic

[Nesutizale]

When the voteing system was introduced I thought it was a quite nice change but it turned out to drasticly reduce the maps and modes that are played so much that it becomes boring.

In an average play I see 2 modes and 3 maps that are played over and over. (At least it feels like it, I haven't made a list)

Anyway what my point is with the comp-play introducing a "an allready played map/mode can't be played again" I thought if a system like that could be implemented for the map selection in QP it could lead to a more diverse map+mode selection.

Kinda like "if you have allready voted on this mode/map today you can't select it again until you have selected/played all other modes one time."

That should make it so that you still can have some kind of selection going on but should result in more diversity in what you would play in terms of modes+maps combinations.

The other option would be to go back to the old randomizer we had before.

[Electron Junkie]

Just remove escort and call it good.

[Nesutizale]

I think you don't get the point. Its about haveing more things to do not less.

As about Escort, while I agree that mode needs some work to be done I had good experiances with it when the teams actualy works together. So potential is there, its just not good as it is now.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

maybe getting rid of voting completely would be preferable.

why I like your concept per se, it ends in the usual few maps, with the usual few modes just getting picked first.
later on, they'd probably pick up nothing till a reset of some kind (in hope someone else picks the usual stuff, which they will).
random maps&modes maybe could shake things up.

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 05 March 2018 - 07:07 AM.

[Bombast]

Democracy was a mistake. Remove voting from MWO.

[EnochsBook]

Removing the voting would be great, but that would mean the least voted for maps would need taken a look at. There's a reason why nobody votes for them.

Also this change would be a great opportunity to add 'Mech choice after the map is selected, so we can have some way to bring the right 'Mech for the right map.

[EnochsBook]

Removing the voting would be great, but that would mean the least voted for maps would need to be looked at. There's a reason why nobody votes for them.

Also this change would be a great opportunity to add 'Mech choice after the map is selected, so we can have some way to bring the right 'Mech for the right map.

Edited by EnochsBook, 05 March 2018 - 07:30 AM.

[Sjorpha]

Yeah, random map selection would be best.

Edited by Sjorpha, 05 March 2018 - 07:39 AM.

[DAYLEET]

There is ways to keep voting and still have a good rotation of maps. Not that i want to keep voting but PGI dont like to make big changes. Weight the map being voted on, the less often a map is being played you can have it as a choice more often. Eventualy you get to play most map and since theres so many players you still play popular map more often but not to the point of never seeing a map in 4+ days when you play 5 hours every night.

[Koniving]

"Hot environments" makes numerous meta mecs unviable.
There's your core reason.

The least voted for map also happens to be the hottest map in terms of punishing cooling and max heat (before shutdown) debuffs.
The three hot maps most commonly voted for happen to be the coldest of the hot maps... with the two most popular, Tourmaline and Rubelite, being the coldest. Caustic is kinda warm, though it makes me wonder why people aggregate to the center of the map where it is hotter than Terra Therma in terms of the heat debuffs.

[Koniving]

(Note: Fluffed map temperature is absolutely meaningless, all "hot/cold" really represents is the percentage of buff or debuff cooling power and max heat get. All snow maps give +25% faster cooling and +25% more maximum heat. The hottest map gives a -60% cooling rate and a -12% maximum heat permitted.[middle of any volcano in Terra Therma] though most areas are -25% cooling rate and -20% maximum heat)

For comparison: Tourmaline -15% cooling rate and -10% max heat. Rubelite is identical.

(What's funny is 3 years ago, Tourmaline was -25% cooling and -25% max heat, as was Terra Therma and Caustic, and nobody cared.. But also funny was 3 years ago laser meta wasn't...meta.)

Edited by Koniving, 05 March 2018 - 07:56 AM.

[EnochsBook]

Koniving, on 05 March 2018 - 07:54 AM, said:

(Note: Fluffed map temperature is absolutely meaningless, all "hot/cold" really represents is the percentage of buff or debuff cooling power and max heat get. All snow maps give +25% faster cooling and +25% more maximum heat. The hottest map gives a -60% cooling rate and a -12% maximum heat permitted.[middle of any volcano in Terra Therma] though most areas are -25% cooling rate and -20% maximum heat)

For comparison: Tourmaline -15% cooling rate and -10% max heat. Rubelite is identical.

This is very interesting, I had no idea the temperature indicator did not matter. I wonder why PGI would put in numbers that not only do not matter, but in some cases might mislead people.

[Exard3k]

#removevoting

Edited by Exard3k, 05 March 2018 - 08:01 AM.

[Khobai]

democracy fails

we need communist map selection

instead of players voting on maps, players should be forcibly assigned to maps according to ability

and anyone who complains should disappear along with their families

[Alexandra Hekmatyar]

Bombast, on 05 March 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

Game democracy was a mistake. Remove voting from MWO.

Fixed.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

people don't vote for the cool maps (read: the hot ones, esp. terra ) because of heat.
nothing wrong with the maps, people are just to lazy to keep an eye on heat.

just try groupdrops.. as soon as you vote terra somebody will say "that map is stoopit, duh" *paraphrasing here slightly*

yeah.. I stack my vote on terra all the time, no matter what mech I drive.
and have a wide smile ones it comes up, even in my laserboats.

voting would be fine, if people weren't .. oh well. so many things in MWO could be fine if people weren't.. ;D

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 05 March 2018 - 08:10 AM.

[Koniving]

EnochsBook, on 05 March 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

This is very interesting, I had no idea the temperature indicator did not matter. I wonder why PGI would put in numbers that not only do not matter, but in some cases might mislead people.

'fluff'

PGI has stated as much, however, that the temperatures are just fluff (when someone pointed out that a map listed as colder than another had no difference... as both were considered heat neutral by the buff/debuff as they did not change the base heat stats.)

Kinda like old BT mechs with identical hex movement are given different speeds than what would be standard for the hexes, for the sake of variety.

[Clownwarlord]

Remove it and force people to play in mechs un-prepared for the climate Heat neutral mech anyone?

[Variant1]

I agree we should remove voting, ive had a streak of polar and frozen. People keep voting cold maps to avoid dealing with heat. More hot maps are needed, and its about time we get an urban map since we have polar.

Electron Junkie, on 05 March 2018 - 06:20 AM, said:

Just remove escort and call it good.

heck no i love escort, we should be able to play that mode 24/7 and incursion. And terra therma should always be selected!

[Nesutizale]

Interesting to see that people prefere removale of the voting system over trying to alter it a little bit.

As for removeing "bad" maps or modes. I don't realy see bad maps. Sure I would favor one over the other but with adapting to the map you can play on all of them.

Modes is a bit different. I think Escort needs a seriouse overhall but its an interesting idea. To me Assault is the mode that should be kicked out. Its Skirmish with a base that a lousy light can cap to ruin the match for everyone else.
All other modes are kinda okay. Though I would like to see conquest with a Dropdeck/Respawns. Its much more fun that way.