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[Zack Esseth]

Excuse me if this is already a topic, tried to find it if it is and couldn't.

So out of curiosity, do any of us know what will become of mechwarrior online once mechwarrior 5 hits the masses? Is mw5 going to have its own multiplayer or is it only a campaign that people have asked for, for so long? I swear I have seen hints in patches and tweets about "limitations of this game engine" like there is a consideration of bringing mwo out of cry engine. Would seem reasonable that with a working mechwarrior title on unreal that mwo could be revamped and brought into modern times and be the multiplayer element of mw5. Not to mention, not making so many people feel like they have lost so much in all the mechpacks they purchased over the years.

[Metus regem]

Likely MWO 2.0 on the Unreal Engine....

[Spheroid]

This company never delivers on time. Expected 2018 probably will be closer to Q2 2019. Far enough in the future that it is a waste of brain power to consider the scenario.

[Zack Esseth]

Metus regem, on 28 May 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

Likely MWO 2.0 on the Unreal Engine....

I'm all for that, even if it's the largest patch ever conceived.

Spheroid, on 28 May 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

This company never delivers on time. Expected 2018 probably will be closer to Q2 2019. Far enough in the future that it is a waste of brain power to consider the scenario.

Lack of foresight only leads to bad decisions. Would much rather speculate and find someone with a hint than guess and end up wasting money buying more mechs and mechbays in a game with a dead end if there is no intent to keep this thing running. I may not know the answere bit someone around here may, or spark the interest of some with more power to get an answer or hint from the people in power over mwo.

[Metus regem]

Zack Esseth, on 28 May 2018 - 12:04 PM, said:

I'm all for that, even if it's the largest patch ever conceived.

Doubtful it'd just be a patch, as from my understanding the differences between Unreal and frankincode Cryengine (that PGI currentl uses for MWO) are more or less 100% incompatible, so it would be a ground up build for MWO 2... hell we got a hit of that a couple of years ago, when Russ talked about a possible migration of engines when he said that it would be about a year before such a thing would happen, and if it did there would be no updates for MWO as the assets would not be usable in the new engine.

[Juodas Varnas]

Metus regem, on 28 May 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

Likely MWO 2.0 on the Unreal Engine....

If only that were true

[JediPanther]

If and that is the world's greatest if, pgi isn't throwing bs about mw5 with full mod support i'm betting moders will try and make a mod as close to mwo as possible. As for mwo I expect it to run as is until the ones buying new mechs finally stop. Since mwo models are used now in both mw5 and hbs battle tech people really arn't going to lose the mechs they paid real money for. you can always make a back up of mwo and extract the mechs. The sub thread on it is very long and gets technical.

Players of mwo have long wanted pgi to just outright say and do that they are working on mwo 2 bringing it to a new-er engine. Many have made claims of willingness to buy mech packs if that funds were used only for that purpose but we end up with trans fail,poor map designs,bad mechs and mech animations, still nerf lights for no reason (jenners.)

don't worry russ knows what is best for his game and we are not the target demographic.

[Prototelis]

That isn't totally true.

The content is easy enough to convert.

It's the backend bits that you don't see that are going to be complicated.

[Metus regem]

JediPanther, on 28 May 2018 - 12:10 PM, said:

don't worry russ knows what is best for his game and we are not the target demographic.

The question is how ever, what is the target demographic..... I mean really cashing in on the 30+somethings that played TT BT seems like the best target, but they keep chancing what they want to hit...

[ANOM O MECH]

Ahhh that is a good question.

My hope is that it is very successful and that the demand is there for PGI to consider a proper successor to MWO and with it funding.

Although Solaris is not hugely popular with players, its execution has given me a bit more confidence in PGI and so far the videos for MW5 look strong.

[Prototelis]

Metus regem, on 28 May 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

The question is how ever, what is the target demographic..... I mean really cashing in on the 30+somethings that played TT BT seems like the best target, but they keep chancing what they want to hit...

Disagree with that too.

They won't even change hardpoints on mechs or balance base tech in a appreciable way because "muh lore" and "muh boardgame."

They spend an incredible amount of time and effort catering to grognards, often to the detriment of the game.

And think about some of the mechs released in the last year or so. Many of them have been ultra-bad, and they only released them because they would appeal to grogs and lorewarriors.

Edited by Prototelis, 28 May 2018 - 12:19 PM.

[Zack Esseth]

Metus regem, on 28 May 2018 - 12:08 PM, said:

Doubtful it'd just be a patch, as from my understanding the differences between Unreal and frankincode Cryengine (that PGI currentl uses for MWO) are more or less 100% incompatible, so it would be a ground up build for MWO 2... hell we got a hit of that a couple of years ago, when Russ talked about a possible migration of engines when he said that it would be about a year before such a thing would happen, and if it did there would be no updates for MWO as the assets would not be usable in the new engine.

I remember seeing that years ago. Though with the recent trailers for mw5 it looks like the assets transfer just fine. Its all the workings that probably don't or won't. And the idea of it being a patch was mostly a joke.

[TWIAFU]

Same thing with BattleTech.

Population drop for a little bit and then things will even out.

[Metus regem]

Prototelis, on 28 May 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

Disagree with that too.

They won't even change hardpoints on mechs or balance base tech in a appreciable way because "muh lore" and "muh boardgame."

They spend an incredible amount of time and effort catering to grognards, often to the detriment of the game.

And think about some of the mechs released in the last year or so. Many of them have been ultra-bad, and they only released them because they would appeal to grogs and lorewarriors.

Funny, the 'lore warriors" and 'groganrds' were not the ones asking for the Thanatos, Uziel, Hellspawn, Cougar or Black Lanner... that rests on the shoulders of the MW4 people. In fact the "Lore Warriors" and "Groganrds" were warring against those mechs, saying that they would suffer in MWO's environment...

As a "Lore Warrior" and "Gorganrd" myself, I'm happy to ditch the TT rules to make the game would as a FPS, just keep the lore and feel of the universe. TT rules are not Lore, just as Lore is not TT rules, they are two different things, that a lot of people get confused into thinking are the same thing.

Zack Esseth, on 28 May 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

I remember seeing that years ago. Though with the recent trailers for mw5 it looks like the assets transfer just fine. Its all the workings that probably don't or won't. And the idea of it being a patch was mostly a joke.

I played the demo at MechCon '17, the assets there are different, there were subtle differences between the MW5 Shadowhawk and MWO Shadowhawk that I used there.

[Spare Parts Bin]

I hope MWO survives. I have more real $$$?!$ involved than I want to think about. I have been actively playing since December 2013. I hate to even think about having to start all over again with Battle Tech or other similar product.

[Prototelis]

Metus regem, on 28 May 2018 - 12:28 PM, said:

that rests on the shoulders of the MW4 people.

Those are also grognards.

Grognards want the game to play like TT, or one of the other games in the MW series. Lorewarriors think asymmetric teams are a good thing and challenge you to zellbriggen in the middle of a match.

[Metus regem]

Prototelis, on 28 May 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

Those are also grognards.

Grognards want the game to play like TT, or one of the other games in the MW series. Lorewarriors think asymmetric teams are a good thing and challenge you to zellbriggen in the middle of a match.

Then I am a progessive Lorewarrior then... I want things that are different yet the same, like say the Lords Light PPC on the Panther shoots more often for less damage, while the Donal PPC's on the Warhammer shoot slower but for more damage each hit, the net effect is same DPS for the weapons, but different characteristics based on manufactures.

To me, that is being a Lorewarrior.

Being a TT gorgnard (TT warrior) is wanting MWO to play like the TT games, and I see that as holding the game back from what it could be... I mean hell the freaking father of BT made changes to the stats of the weapons from their TT incarnations for HBS's battletech, why should PGI feel beholden to the TT rules, if it keeps them from making a better game.

[Andi Nagasia]

i can see MW5 as being a test bed for what Russ has described as a slower Truer MechWarrior game,
we will see how it all works out and hopefully it does well, any problems will likely get fixed with modding,

Metus regem, on 28 May 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

Likely MWO 2.0 on the Unreal Engine....

this is actually most likely, not that i dont think an engine move isnt possible but its very unlikely,
Russ has said its hard to change things this late in the game for MWO, such as slower mechs ect.

Twitter said:

West Santin‏ @WestSantin May 6
Imho to make MWO works witj HOTAS the game has to be more slowly and steady. Speed, Torso twisting etc. have to be much slower. E.g. Lights have to behave like an Anni or KDK do right know

Russ Bullock‏ @russ_bullock
Replying to @WestSantin @orcrist86
Yes MWO is too far down the PvP twitchy path now but MW5 and PvE

which leads me to beleive that MWO:2 is more likely as it will allow PGI more flexibility in changing up the system,
taking what they learn from MW5 and implementing MWO:2 as a true multiplayer component to MW5,
thats how i see it happening anyway,

Edited by Andi Nagasia, 28 May 2018 - 02:16 PM.

[TLBFestus]

First they did MWO on Cryengine because Cryengine was "cheap" and for a small start-up cheap was good.

Then they found themselves modding the heck out of Cryengine and creating the Frankencode that they have now. Some of which I don't think they understand because the people originally responsible for the changes are long gone. This explain why they often do not do what seems like a simple change....they are afraid that they are finally going to break something.

MW5 is announced and they are using Unreal engine for it. Do you not think that by doing the game on Unreal Engine that they are not learning how to use it with Battletech and developing the skills to implement it into a newer ("more Improved!" " Better!") version of MWO once they've brought out MW5? Of course they are.

As long as MW5 is successful and isn't a "Transversal Failure" they will find a way to use Unreal in pushing out a new MWO product and start the mechpack cycle all over again?

Sure as the sun comes up in the morning the suckers Whales will line up again to do it all over. Most it will take is a little sweetening of the deal to convince people to go for it again.

Be a Founder and get "insert your promotional level here" while you can!

[50 50]

Zack Esseth, on 28 May 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

Excuse me if this is already a topic, tried to find it if it is and couldn't.

So out of curiosity, do any of us know what will become of mechwarrior online once mechwarrior 5 hits the masses? Is mw5 going to have its own multiplayer or is it only a campaign that people have asked for, for so long? I swear I have seen hints in patches and tweets about "limitations of this game engine" like there is a consideration of bringing mwo out of cry engine. Would seem reasonable that with a working mechwarrior title on unreal that mwo could be revamped and brought into modern times and be the multiplayer element of mw5. Not to mention, not making so many people feel like they have lost so much in all the mechpacks they purchased over the years.

The intention was for MW5 to be the PvE campaign experience, now with co-op.
MWO is to remain the PvP experience with it's various modes.
While there was some discussion on moving MWO from CryEngine, there is no evidence or suggestion that will ever happen.
There has been suggestions of an MWO2 rebuilt in Unreal based on the foundations of MW5, but this has come from the players and is only a 'what if'.