48 replies to this topic

[S O L A I S]

Have a couple of accounts and the past few years have bought at least two MWOWC packs to support the tourney and gifted a couple more.

I really enjoy watching the skilled guys duke it out. Really doubt those who are saying it has been boring understand the game very well, especially considering the finals were forced into extra matches last year.

Had hoped that there would be more added for spectators such as being able to switch between casters or perhaps have multiple 'cameras' on the field to switch around too.

The pack also represents good value for someone like me who digs the warhorns. Hard to actually spend money on them or mc even for a whale such as myself who has over 3g's into the game. So stuff such as the Origins pack (bought two, one up to Hunchie and other to Orion's), Resistance, collectors and such are things I like to grab for warhorns and the colors were also a bonus. Felt less silly by 'colors' and 'horns' for my intangible robots.

This year really looks like a good deal too....that is until you see the whole stock rules thing.

I really want to support this game, but between this and the plans to make the Blood Asp's guns elongated because of pressure, I don't think I can.

Perhaps this is the right move for PGI and maybe most of their money comes from folks who think this is going to be great? Maybe it will be the battle of the pocket books though with those who love the idea going all in and those of us who are put off abstaining.

Will have to wait and see.

[Luminis]

Don't like the direction PGI is taking with MWO? Don't support it. Simple.

Also, if you sunk three grand into MWO, you've done your fair share of supporting the game. More than that, actually. Perfectly fair to cut your losses.

[S O L A I S]

Luminis, on 04 June 2018 - 09:22 PM, said:

Don't like the direction PGI is taking with MWO? Don't support it. Simple.

Also, if you sunk three grand into MWO, you've done your fair share of supporting the game. More than that, actually. Perfectly fair to cut your losses.

Guess what I am saying is that the money is not that big of a deal and I want to support it because I can and I do spend an ungodly amount of time playing it. If I divided the money spent by hours in game it probably would look like a pretty good deal as far as hobbies go.

Perhaps this in a way is the best thing that could happen to me and I will start getting use of the expensive mountain bike I bought....may even be time to trim the neckbeard.

It's like PGI is telling me to get a life or something instead of giving them the money.

[Luminis]

S O L A I S, on 04 June 2018 - 09:42 PM, said:

It's like PGI is telling me to get a life or something instead of giving them the money.

If that's how you feel about recent events, your course of action should be clear.

Also, I don't think this decision should be based on your disposable income but in whether or not you like where MWO is going.

[dario03]

I get where the op is coming from. For me the issue is at comparing regular MWO and the WC. I am mostly fine with regular MWO, there is plenty I would change but I do still enjoy the game here and there. So the supporter pack looks like a really good deal when just considering what you get for the regular game. However I don't think I actually want to support the tournament because of the rules, especially since they waited till 2 weeks before the start to announce such a massive change.

Edited by dario03, 04 June 2018 - 10:00 PM.

[El Bandito]

Stock mode will at least shake up the mech roster. I'm all for it!

[dario03]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

Stock mode will at least shake up the mech roster. I'm all for it!

Balance patch would have also accomplished that and possibly help the regular game at the same time.

[Xetelian]

My prediction is, they will see more tournament pack sales from IS purists and they'll see more eyes on the game from anyone that isn't turned off by the idea, with more than usual because this will be so different but I don't think they'll sustain the viewer count and the tournament support pack sales if we see the same thing next year.


People are all speculating that this will seriously change the WC, and in some regards it will. However, in other regards it wont. I suspect that most of the mechs will be trading at a distance rather than brawling in a murder ball like people are used to in QP.

I suspect that we'll see the same mechs fielded by every team with one or two exceptions.

I would have liked them to have announced these changes a LONG time ago. Give the teams as much time as possible to get ready and skrim in their mechs.


I haven't bought a supporter pack, I always wanted the warhorns but the badge and title just don't do anything for me when I already have the founders badge and title. I also think the pack should be more like 5$ instead of 10$ which in I'm guessing would entice hundreds more people to buy in but its just a guess.



People should certainly buy the pack. Supporting WC is a good thing as a whole.

If they had done the team based swag correctly, like all the MOBAs have done, I'd have bought decals, cockpit items, badges, and other goodies associated with the teams so they could have some money.


I think the esport scene in MWO is the dumbest ever but I give it moral support because the players are usually pretty deserving of money for training hard and sticking with MWO instead of some other game.

[El Bandito]

dario03, on 04 June 2018 - 10:14 PM, said:

Balance patch would have also accomplished that and possibly help the regular game at the same time.

Except we waited for good faction balance patch for 3+ years.

[S O L A I S]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

Stock mode will at least shake up the mech roster. I'm all for it!

Sure it will. That only means that we are driving away good players and the roster will likely be full of strong players but they won't be able to say they are the best. Best in garbage mechs with reduced competition they'll be able to claim, but not 'world champions'.

The player base on the brown sea here, seems to be down with it. So fiscally this is perhaps a strong business decision by PGI, we'll have to wait and see.

The idea or illusion of esports however is certainly destroyed when you ostracize the best players in the game.

From CW to this, it really appears that soloists are where the money is at. Am fully expecting that PGI will soon implement tight restrictions or limits on the mode I am most interested in, CW/FP to address the issues expressed as concerns by the pug community.

This is the most anti team, team game I have ever seen.

PGI has certainly grown as a company though and I do hope that MW5 is a huge success for them. Perhaps this will garner the drive for a successor to MWO which I would be all for.

[TWIAFU]

dario03, on 04 June 2018 - 10:14 PM, said:

Balance patch would have also accomplished that and possibly help the regular game at the same time.

Yea, let's just make all tech the same.

IS and Clan, make it the same weight, heat, damage, crit slots, range, everything the same. Only difference 'tween the two is laser color and HUD. Make CXL and ISXL the same. Heat sinks too.

There ya go, balance. Boring AF, but hey, balanced right?

Let's do that and watch the mass exodus happen right in front of our eyes.

[Kaeb Odellas]

TWIAFU, on 05 June 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

Yea, let's just make all tech the same.

IS and Clan, make it the same weight, heat, damage, crit slots, range, everything the same. Only difference 'tween the two is laser color and HUD. Make CXL and ISXL the same. Heat sinks too.

There ya go, balance. Boring AF, but hey, balanced right?

Let's do that and watch the mass exodus happen right in front of our eyes.

And still it wouldn't be perfectly balanced, as mech hitboxes and hardpoints would still be different.

Let's force everyone to fight in the same mech as well. And make all maps perfectly symmetrical too.

[dario03]

TWIAFU, on 05 June 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

Yea, let's just make all tech the same.

IS and Clan, make it the same weight, heat, damage, crit slots, range, everything the same. Only difference 'tween the two is laser color and HUD. Make CXL and ISXL the same. Heat sinks too.

There ya go, balance. Boring AF, but hey, balanced right?

Let's do that and watch the mass exodus happen right in front of our eyes.

Balance patch doesn't have to mean make everything the same.
And I wasn't just talking IS vs Clan.

[Revis Volek]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

Stock mode will at least shake up the mech roster. I'm all for it!

But it wont shake up anything else. You will see LRMS and s*it because people will HAVE to take them and PGI will tote it around as a GOOD THING people use all the weapons (not because we were forced to or anything) and mechs.


The top teams will still be the top teams, same with the top players. Putting everyone in the same mechs only goes so far to equalize the playing field but potatoes gonna potato even with a 1000CT quirk. The avg t3 will never beat a t1 because there is a 250ms difference between them no matter what the mech or loadout.


I actually see MORE frustration coming from this as most of the bads will end up doing even worse in a non meta, non one click kill mech.

[justcallme A S H]

El Bandito, on 04 June 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

Stock mode will at least shake up the mech roster. I'm all for it!

Except it won't.

It'll be the same mechs used that are 'the best' (ie, best quiriked/loadout) and will be even more limiting.

If you think it'll lead to a lot of variance in games etc, you don't understand competitive play.

[Asym]

And, isn't that the real issue? eSports in this genera is boring as all get out.... Watching grass grow is more exciting..... They practiced on the same terrain and maps for a year; in the same meta mechs; using the same tactics; doing the same things; over and over and over.........yeesh........

Now, put them in stock mechs, that they do not know what they'll get until game day; on new maps they've never played on and then, you'll have something to watch ! Are they playing by rote memory and twitch skills or are they really good mech pilots that can fight anywhere with anything??? I trained with real stuff for decades and never used the same training areas ever ! Hell, we'd be in the snow one month and then a month later in the desert and after than, the rolling terrain of freaking Kansas....

That would be fun to watch.....

[justcallme A S H]

Asym, on 05 June 2018 - 06:36 PM, said:

And, isn't that the real issue? eSports in this genera is boring as all get out.... Watching grass grow is more exciting..... They practiced on the same terrain and maps for a year; in the same meta mechs; using the same tactics; doing the same things; over and over and over.........yeesh........

Actually that is where you and your "5 degrees" are once again wrong.

Teams practiced many strats on various maps in many varying mechs. Why? Because many strategies were possible.
Yes they were only whittled down on 'game day' and even then there were still surprises like Proton in a Dragon & a ERL ACH... Such things actually then filtered into QP as guys played mechs used by the pros.

Stock mode will play out in a less interesting manner than the last two years. Telling you that as a comp player, comp shoutcaster and very active member in that area. Privvy to many discussions and thus far, it's down to ~10 viable mechs already and likely cap strats (which are boring as it gets to watch)... That is half of what it was last year before we even start.

You've never played comp so don't sit there and pretend like you have some idea of what goes on or what is involved.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 05 June 2018 - 06:51 PM.

[S O L A I S]

Asym, on 05 June 2018 - 06:36 PM, said:

And, isn't that the real issue? eSports in this genera is boring as all get out.... Watching grass grow is more exciting..... They practiced on the same terrain and maps for a year; in the same meta mechs; using the same tactics; doing the same things; over and over and over.........yeesh........

Now, put them in stock mechs, that they do not know what they'll get until game day; on new maps they've never played on and then, you'll have something to watch ! Are they playing by rote memory and twitch skills or are they really good mech pilots that can fight anywhere with anything??? I trained with real stuff for decades and never used the same training areas ever ! Hell, we'd be in the snow one month and then a month later in the desert and after than, the rolling terrain of freaking Kansas....

That would be fun to watch.....

The top guys are the top guys no matter what they run. Watch Proton or Writhenn's or so many of the other comp guys and it becomes obvious very quickly that it is not the mechs they choose. TwinkyOverlord was especially fun to watch when he'd run an Adder....pretty much stock.

If you thought the finals last year was boring I don't know what to say. This will not be the glorious potato rising to the top to show folks who's really good though. As I said before this change is like the Indy 500 deciding to run go carts at max 45mp/h. It is taking a big part of the game out of the picture as well.

Hey since 90% of the populace in this game are die hard potatos this may very well turn out to be a success money wise for PGI which will certainly be good as lots of us hope MW5 is good. It dilutes the brand though. These championships can't really be taken seriously especially since there will be so many good players not playing.

[El Bandito]

S O L A I S, on 05 June 2018 - 01:08 PM, said:

The idea or illusion of esports however is certainly destroyed when you ostracize the best players in the game.

Best players will still be the best, no matter the mech. If not, they are simply not the best.

Revis Volek, on 05 June 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

But it wont shake up anything else. You will see LRMS and s*it because people will HAVE to take them and PGI will tote it around as a GOOD THING people use all the weapons (not because we were forced to or anything) and mechs.

And that alone makes it worth it. I am sick of seeing the same effing meta for two years straight. If PGI wont do any meaningful balance changes, the least they can do is to come up with something like stock-mode to shake things up--which they did.

justcallme A S H, on 05 June 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

Except it won't.

It'll be the same mechs used that are 'the best' (ie, best quiriked/loadout) and will be even more limiting.

If you think it'll lead to a lot of variance in games etc, you don't understand competitive play.

Except it will. Because no matter how limited the new roster will be, it will be different from that of past two years, which is all I want to see. I am not gonna compete in MWOWC, so I want good entertainment!

Edited by El Bandito, 05 June 2018 - 07:10 PM.

[S O L A I S]

El Bandito, on 05 June 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

Best players will still be the best, no matter the mech. If not, they are simply not the best.

That is absolutely true. My point is the best won't be around to play stock mode and the leftovers and hold out won't be able to say they are better than Emp.