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[The Lighthouse]

I have no idea.

I am pretty sure we will see a bit more heavy gauss, but I always feel it is just IS's crappy attempt to mimic high Clan alpha damage. But again, there are just few select IS assault mechs with one ballistic hardpoint on each side torso, not all assault mechs can do this build, not to mention this is IS only build.

I guess dakka will be the king, but once again only heavies and assaults can do dakka build. So what about mediums and lights? ATMs?

[RickySpanish]

Heavy PPCs and jump jets. Reeee!!

[Battlemaster56]

Mass ac2/uac2 spam and with a huge return of poptarting with a vengeance.
/s

No literrly I have no idea what's left for clans personally nor will go off and make a assumption without more info, what I really want to bring morw options to thw table because literly every mech I got a is a variation of laser vomit, and since we remove two counters for it and no nerfing the main problem without bringing up to take it place. I'm just at a lost.

[El Bandito]

AC meta. Which is fun, actually.

[The Lighthouse]

El Bandito, on 12 June 2018 - 09:13 PM, said:

AC meta. Which is fun, actually.

Well, that would be actually interesting indeed. So mass AC5s I guess?

[Nightbird]

Cart, horse, order

[Prototelis]

Boating jumpjets until they nerf them.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

PPFLD is undedable, and UACs are pretty strong at the moment, especially IS ones that are nearly PPFLD themselves. For real though, I'm not sure why anyone would want to run Dual HGauss on mechs that could run 2 UAC10s + 2 UAC5 instead. Way more DPS, doesn't explode, higher alpha, no charge up, duration of shots is shorter than the charge up too.

If clan gets nerfed to the point where its alphas are lower than IS then just use IS mechs instead of clan for high laser alphas, more precision and a little less range and damage on more durable mechs, decent trade off considering that they're relatively balanced as is.


Some meds can run dual UAC10s, others can SRM boat, and some still boat 6 MPL. There's also HPPC or PPC options of course, so they aren't really too bad off. Lights have already moved over to either using SRMs or 6MPL on IS or MG boating or being dead on Clan (rip CSPL).

Edited by Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, 12 June 2018 - 09:43 PM.

[OmniFail]

Lurms

[El Bandito]

The Lighthouse, on 12 June 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

Well, that would be actually interesting indeed. So mass AC5s I guess?

Depends. There will be plenty of different caliber boating among CUACs, CACs, ACs, and LBXs.

[Luminis]

I'll just keep HGaussing people with my ANH. 86 damage, short duration, armour quirks to make up for the speed and range.

If we're talking Clan only, PPC SMN and whatever else can reasonably poptart with two peepers. Also, MCII-B and DWF-UV. Might bring the dakka NTG back.

Depending on how lasers get changed, there might be some UAC / LBX + ERMLs kinda stuff that's just too hot at the moment, but I'll believe in compensatory buffs to heat when I see them.

[Vellron2005]

Edited by Vellron2005, 12 June 2018 - 10:59 PM.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Vellron2005, on 12 June 2018 - 10:59 PM, said:

But the laser nerfs hurt my LRM boats the most back in the CSPL nerf since I lost a load of point defense and became more vulnerable to lights or people pushing me.

[Dogstar]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 12 June 2018 - 11:00 PM, said:

But the laser nerfs hurt my LRM boats the most back in the CSPL nerf since I lost a load of point defense and became more vulnerable to lights or people pushing me.

It's not an LRM boat if you have backup lasers! Maximum LRM!

[UnofficialOperator]

Piranha out for cbills next month. Flea is out this month. So its MG + streakboat meta

[The Lighthouse]

UnofficialOperator, on 12 June 2018 - 11:25 PM, said:

Piranha out for cbills next month. Flea is out this month. So its MG + streakboat meta

Oh, it is coming out next month? With Flea, indeed a lot of streakboats will be here..

[Bud Crue]

If they go with broad brush weapons nerfs, then I suspect that Gauss vomit will still be king (f you nerf everything to address that which is at the top, then that which is at the top remains at the top).

If they go with GH added to anything over 5ERML and/or 1HLL or 1GR, then I suspect that all that clan mechs will be forced into UAC spamming MK-II-Bs or 8UAC2 Dires for range and maybe the 8MPL Ebon for everything else.

I suspect though, that given recent history they will not limit themselves to an either or of the above. But will instead nerf A WHOLE LOT of things on both sides of the Clan/IS divide and it will take an immense amount of time (3 days, 2 if there is no event running) for the comp folks to figure out the new "bests" and then we will be back to normal but with then new Clan ATM and IS SNPPC meta arisen as there will be nothing else worth playing.

I'm totally serious.

[Battlemaster56]

Bud Crue, on 13 June 2018 - 02:43 AM, said:

If they go with broad brush weapons nerfs, then I suspect that Gauss vomit will still be king (f you nerf everything to address that which is at the top, then that which is at the top remains at the top).

If they go with GH added to anything over 5ERML and/or 1HLL or 1GR, then I suspect that all that clan mechs will be forced into UAC spamming MK-II-Bs or 8UAC2 Dires for range and maybe the 8MPL Ebon for everything else.

I suspect though, that given recent history they will not limit themselves to an either or of the above. But will instead nerf A WHOLE LOT of things on both sides of the Clan/IS divide and it will take an immense amount of time (3 days, 2 if there is no event running) for the comp folks to figure out the new "bests" and then we will be back to normal but with then new Clan ATM and IS SNPPC meta arisen as there will be nothing else worth playing.

I'm totally serious.

Sad part is I expect this to happen to a t. And we go through the whole crazy loop all over agiane.

Edited by Battlemaster56, 13 June 2018 - 08:06 AM.

[Novakaine]

Lurms?

[razenWing]

Has this been confirmed? Why haven't I seen any news about this? And if this is true, this is totally moronic as last patch, an attempt to justify decreasing GH was because PGI wanted more "diversity" in weapon loadouts.

Well, how does killing an effective combo of.... DIFFERENT loadout help accomplish that? Or does PGI only have ATM + lasers in mind?