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[KoalaBrownie]

Faction play should be like planetside, constant battles raging over resources on a map. Even if it takes place on only one planet, whatever- just say the houses invaded terra. No different than playing on the same map on different worlds.

[Reno Blade]

My old post about FP changes:
https://mwomercs.com...p-and-gp-united

Reno Blade, on 26 February 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

Edit 2018-03-03: Changed 1a and 1b and added 5. for matchmaker (including limited mix tech)


Most of us wanted to have some goal/meaning in Community Warfare (FW) and many are not playing that game mode without a bigger goal or metagame.

I would try something like this to finally have a goal and metagame around factions and planetary conquest:


1.) The Launch Windows now only checks/asks if you want Scouting, Invasion or both game modes (if your group is meeting the tonnage limits) and all games are part of the Faction Warfare modes.
Solos will not be together with groups in any mode.


1a.) Scouting remains as 4vs4, but you can automatically select Scouting game mode in the game mode selection screen if your group/tonnage fits .
solo/group queue separated (with QP matchmaker).

1b.) Quick Play uses all the Faction Play maps and the player can select in the game mode screen if they want to play "Single-Mech" style (with lower base structure health in invasion mode) or use a "static" dropdeck of the same mech 4x (4 drops).
QP uses the existing matchmaking - and is for solo only.
maybe 8vs8 only.


1c.) Invasion Faction Play uses the existing drop deck functionality and is up to 12vs12, but only groups are matched by using the matchmaker rules from current quick play group queue (minus the tonnage matching, as it only needs to match clan/is)


Additionally some changes to the Map/Planetary system come into play to gain and spend resources.

2.) Faction Plan lobby will have a new interface for spending the resources.
Players, Factions and Units gain resource points for each game (Scouting / QP / FP), with a soft cap, (more from conquest/domination modes and more for FP games in general) which can be used to "unlock" certain stuff for the Faction Play games by the group/company leader(s) each game.

2a.) Unit officers can use unit resources/coffer

2b.) Any player can add his personal resources (even Loyalists)

2c.) Points are only spend if the group has enough points to unlock the feat together

2d.) Factions have different bonus values that can increase if the faction owns more planets

2e.) Units automatically gain 5% resources into the unit coffer (similar to the 5% GXP of the mech XP)


3.) FP Drop Feats to unlock with resources on the launch window
Multiple areas to spend your pilot/group/unit resources
- Faction Camo and colors (default colors) automatically set ingame for the player/team - low cost per game

- Turret upgrades (health / range / dmg) for Invasion defender game - medium cost per game
- Generator upgrades (health) for Invasion defender game - medium cost per game
- Tower upgrades (health / duration / range) only for Incursion game modes - medium cost per game

- Dropship upgrades (higher tonnage) unlocks "extra" dropdeck - high cost per game
- Dropship downgrade (lower tonnage, faster respawn speed) allows to "save" some resource points with lower drop weight for a 5th mech drop - medium cost per game

- Air supperiority provides you shorter cooldowns on Airstrikes and longer cooldowns of the enemy airstrikes - high cost per game (only one team can have this active)
- Ground supperiority provides you shorter cooldowns on Artillery support and longer cooldowns of the enemy Artillery - high cost per game (only one team can have this active)

- AI controlled resource/repair convois that can repair turrets/towers/generators if they reach the base - can be intercepted by the enemy team - Air/Land crafts require "Air/Ground supperiority" - high cost per game



4.) Faction Bonuses (always active in all modes, if applicable)
Multiple bonuses can be applied and are depending on owned/conquered Planets per season:
- all IS factions get 10-30% discount on "Air/Ground" feats
- all Clan factions get 20-50% discount on "Dropship downgrade" (down-bidding)
- all Clan factions get X% less payment on losses, but X% more ressources/loyalty on victories
- all Clan factions get bonus to xyz
- all factions get bonus loyalty/ressources when piloting faction specific variants
- all factions have 5-10% better armor/agility when piloting faction specific variants
- Mercs get 50% of their employer bonuses
- Mercs get X% more resources/payment
- Mercs get X% discount on "Ground supperiority" feat


- Weapon buffs to range/cooldown about 5-10% (depending on planets)
- Steiner gets 15-40% discount for "Dropship Upgrade" feat
- Steiner gets X% buff to Assault mech speed and Gauss Rifles
- Davion gets X% buff to agility of Medium mechs
- Davion gets X% buff to Ballistics and ML
- Liao gets 15-40% buff to range/duration on ECM, BAP, Stealth Armor, UAV and scouting/incursion sensor effects
- Liao gets X% buff to SRM and Pulse Lasers
- Marik gets 15-40% discount on all turret/tower/generator and convoi feats
- Marik gets X% buff to speed of Heavy mechs
- Marik gets X% buff to LLaser and LRM
- Kurita gets 25-50% buff to all faction bonuses
- Kurita gets X% buff to PPCs and LRM
- FRR gets 15-50% discount for "Air supperiority" feat
- FRR gets X% buff to ER Lasers

- Clan Wolf gets X% buff to short range weapons and UACs/LRM
- Clan Jadefalcon gets X% buff to medium range weapons and LBX/PPC
- Clan Smoke Jaguar gets X% buff to long range weapons and Gauss/Streak
- Clan Ghost Bear gets X% buff to short weapons and SRM/Laser


5. Faction Group Composition is decided by the largest majority group.
- The matchmaker will prioritize one one side and tires to do between 75% and 100% on one side (e.g. 10 IS Mechs and max of 2 Clan Mechs)
- - If the group consists of mostly IS Pilots, the drop is on the IS side (and same for Clan side)
- - Dropdecks need to be pure tech for each pilot (e.g. 10 IS pilots all needs to have 4 IS mechs and the 2 Clan Pilots need to bring Clan mechs only)
- - Group wide Faction Bonuses are depending on the groups major faction (e.g. major IS faction is Steiner, so you only get Steiner Feat bonuses)
- - Personal Faction Bonuses are independent on the groups major faction (e.g. as a Steiner Pilot, you will still get your X% buff to your Assault mechs, even if the group is Clan Wolf).

[Racerxintegra2k]

Not all Premades are equal. Some premades are just as bad as pugz. The best players will just stomp everyone else without a matchmaker. However if you put in a matchmaker the best players will be pretty lonely.

[TheBossOfYou]

Racerxintegra2k, on 26 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Not all Premades are equal. Some premades are just as bad as pugz. The best players will just stomp everyone else without a matchmaker. However if you put in a matchmaker the best players will be pretty lonely.

"Queues too long. SearchWarrior online!"

"Quit whining, git bad"

[Vellron2005]

Racerxintegra2k, on 26 June 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

Not all Premades are equal. Some premades are just as bad as pugz. The best players will just stomp everyone else without a matchmaker. However if you put in a matchmaker the best players will be pretty lonely.

The ONLY solution to this problem of good player units stomping all others is simple - increase the number of "average" players.. so when alot of people are playing, you will be less likely to go up against the best stompers..

And to do that, you have to entice people to play Faction Play.. by making a meaningful faction play.

And if you manage to do that, more people will be playing, and then you can start thinking about a matchmaker..

High player numbers are the key to fixing this game.. and can only be achieved by making a game that a large number of players wants to play..

Something that PGI has consistently not been able to do.

[LordNothing]

all fp needs is to run the events system maybe once every month or two. fp is better when a larger swath of the community participates and events get that in.

[utopian201]

Is it completely dead outside of prime time? (Eu mornings, evening Asia Pacific) I tried to drop about 10-11am uk time (~11-midnight nz time) on a sat and sun morning with another player hoping to do some scouting the past weekend, but no matches found.
There invasion call ups though so there must be some players...

[Quandoo]

FP needs a new game to fix.It should be a huge open world where mechs can roam freely

Edited by Quandoo, 27 June 2018 - 05:14 AM.

[Vellron2005]

I think we, as a community, need to make PGI see that Faction Play is a priority..

Keep demanding it!

[vonJerg]

I think most of us gave up on demanding anything, so we are just playing it. FP or bust!

[Phoolan Devi]

I just remember Russ stating at MechCon 2016, that FP will be a priority now and that the .1 in 4.1 indicates that there will be constant
improvements to it. Well, now 19 month later we're still at 4.1

So yeah....so much 'bout that^^

[M3560 35003663]

I'd play FP but these large maps make my computer freeze and lag...

I can barely play on the smaller QP maps, but the FP maps are unoptimized and laggy as hell...

[MrXanthios]

Also, 1200 mc to unlock drop decks... That's not really encouraging, I already purchased the mechbays, I already purchased 2 hero and 2 champions, another couple mech packs, I purchased premium time several times, still pgi is trying to juice money out of drop decks. It seems kind of too much.

[Eisenhorne]

MrXanthios, on 03 July 2018 - 08:29 AM, said:

Also, 1200 mc to unlock drop decks... That's not really encouraging, I already purchased the mechbays, I already purchased 2 hero and 2 champions, another couple mech packs, I purchased premium time several times, still pgi is trying to juice money out of drop decks. It seems kind of too much.

It is kind of annoying, but consider that most people will easily clear that 1200 MC during the loot bag event anyway. I have all 4 drop decks, and honestly I mostly use a single one that I swap mechs around in. If you're familiar enough with faction play you can usually just pick your deck really fast.

[Nightbird]

Favorite your FP mechs to filter quickly

[Nameless King]

Vellron2005, on 03 July 2018 - 12:08 AM, said:

I think we, as a community, need to make PGI see that Faction Play is a priority..

Keep demanding it!

It is not and should never be again. They need to focus on QP.

[MischiefSC]

Vxheous, on 21 June 2018 - 07:40 AM, said:

LRMs are OP now, you didn't get the memo? You can thank the balance overlord Chris for giving LRMs more velocity, and 33% more ammo for the last few patches.

I got LRMed by EmP in Comp Queue and didn't even get this lousy t-shirt.

[Grus]

Vxheous, on 21 June 2018 - 07:32 AM, said:

OK? By my guys, you mean EmpyreaL? I don't think my team/unit look for more epeen, winning two back to back World Championships have already provided all the epeen this game had to offer. Also there's not many EmP that still play, and out of those that do, theresonly one guy that consistently plays FW. I doubt you're referring to him, so what group are you referring to?

On that note, who was the guy that did 12 damage in the Gladiator?

[Vxheous]

Grus, on 03 July 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

On that note, who was the guy that did 12 damage in the Gladiator?

You'll have to ask 228 that one, it was one of their players

[The Lighthouse]

At this point, preventing the game from losing even more fun is more important than even thinking about FP, if you ask me.