43 replies to this topic

[MeanFacedJohnny]

It is by far the worst implemented game type there is. It's a joke. Maybe if the vip was pkayer controlled it could be interesting, but as it is, it needs to be gone.

Please, just remove escort. It does nothing but make me want to vomit a little every time I get back into MWO.

Solaris save me.

[suffocater]

I am with you.

[w4ldO]

the idea of escort is great, all it needs is fixing

[PurplePuke]

I like Escort. Adds variety to the game.

[ThreeStooges]

i'm glad to see it get nuked. Like the vast majority of pgi's great ideas such as long tom,$500 per single gold mech skin, and auto ct hitting drop ship lasers vip deserves to die. It would be a great mode if pgi did any of the numerous fixes in the 100 or so threads on how to do just that but we all know with pgi that their method of game design is this:

Dev 1: does it work?

Dev 2: Umm kinda...I guess...it's a laser turret....

Dev1: Does it fire a laser?

Dev 2: Yeah...only at the ct with 100% hit rate.

Dev 1: Ok then, put it into the game. Here's an idea for some thing called ai; whatever that is.

9 Months later:..

Dev 1: Does that ai thing work?

Dev 2: ERrrr I can make it walk kinda of not in a straight line but...

Dev 1: Whatever you've wasted six more months than the first three months deadline i gave you. ADD it to the game or YOU'RE FIRED!

Dev 2: But i'm just an intern! I don't even get paid!

Dev 1: Add it or so help me I'll give you the worst review ever in the companie's history and then go get me some coffee B--h!

Dev 2 Intern: I QUIT! SCREW YOU GUYS!

[MeanFacedJohnny]

PurplePuke, on 24 March 2018 - 10:41 AM, said:

I like Escort. Adds variety to the game.

I dont see how an almost guaranteed win or loss depending on side is a variety. Yes, you dont always lose when escorting, but any betting man would never bet on the escorts winning.

w4ldO, on 24 March 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

the idea of escort is great, all it needs is fixing

I love the idea of new game types period, but yes, escort needs work to be any fun. Right now its just annoying getting stuck in one.

[Havyek]

Escort needs to go and so does Incursion.

The only way either game mode would be "acceptable" is if we could select/de-select which game modes we wanted to participate in again.

You know, like we could until PGI realized that no one wanted to play their precious new games so they simply took away the option of avoiding them.

[Nightbird]

No, just need to replace turrets and radar gimmik to letting a player take over the Atlas. Give it an AC20 and 2xSRM6, done deal.

[Havyek]

Also, IMO the gimmicky garbage like Escort and Incursion don't belong in QP, they should be more for FP where some type of goal based objective makes sense. Conversely Domination should be removed from FP.

[Bud Crue]

Escort serves the valuable function of forcing you to vote for Incursion as the lesser of two evils.
Without Escort, poor Incursion would never get played.

[Vidarion]

Having a player pilot the VIP is out of the question because of the inordinate potential for abuse. The same goes for showing the path on screen.

Is the game mode perfect? No. Far from it. But it's different enough to make it interesting (for me).

Personally, skirmish is boring af because there's no objective. You might as well be playing CSGO or PUBG if you just want to skirmish.
Conquest is interesting because you can win even if your team is wiped out, if you played the resource objective.
Domination is boring because it's just "Oi! We fight here!".
Assault is meh because of how rarely the objective is played.
Incursion is interesting but needs work. Right now it's just "skirmish and then skin one building in the enemy base".

Improvements to the path-finding algorithms to avoid getting suck would be great.
Making the VIP faster (even as little as 10kph faster) would make it better.
Reducing the armor (in exchange for the faster travel) would make it better.

The turrets don't hit CT with 100% accuracy. If they're hitting your CT it's because you're standing still and facetanking them.

If you pay even a little bit of attention to where the VIP travels (from either side), it becomes relatively easy to figure out the two or three places the VIP should be able to be found.

If you pay even a little bit of attention to what the winning team did, it becomes relatively easy to figure out what to do to count them. Example: in Grim Plexus, control of G5 through G7 (and the flags in there) gives you a much higher chance of victory than fapping around waiting for the other team to control them.

As with every other game mode, teamwork and constructive communication will give you an edge. Whining about how much you hate Escort and why would anyone pick Escort will predispose you to (a) not paying attention to how the game mode functions; ( discourage people from trying to learn how the game mode works; (c) discourage people from wanting to communicate; and (d) make it easier for the enemy team to win.

[The6thMessenger]

Vidarion, on 24 March 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

Having a player pilot the VIP is out of the question because of the inordinate potential for abuse. The same goes for showing the path on screen.

I'm actually okay with the path being shown -- at least for the Attackers, so that defenders are forced to just defend the VIP like a good bodyguard.

[Antares102]

PGI is about to delete Faction Play in favour of Solaris.
Deleting Escort could be considered collateral damage

[cougurt]

with the exception of conquest, every game mode is just skirmish with a tacked on annoyance that goes ignored 90% of the time anyway. they only exist to create the illusion of more content.

[Ronan]

Never remove game modes, fix game modes.

[Mechwarrior9194373]

_{the Atlas VIP AI is like of a 1 year old kid who just learned how to walk, that is the biggest problem of Escort mode}

[Mechwarrior1441491]

Mode would be better if someone was nominated as VIP on the team. Same weight class. Sure would open it up to the rare team grief by them running off, but a few report warnings would set people straight that it isn't tolerate. Give them week suspension if they are suiciding at the enemy team.

They have always been absolutely terrified at handing over objective based control over to players......well any control what so ever actually. I always thought a game mode with multiple objectives to win, which are voted on at the start of the match by each side, meaning both sides could have different victory goals.

We don't get nice things.

Edited by Mechwarrior1441491, 24 March 2018 - 06:06 PM.

[Beaching Betty]

Yep, hated it

[cougurt]

Mechwarrior1441491, on 24 March 2018 - 06:02 PM, said:

Mode would be better if someone was nominated as VIP on the team. Same weight class. Sure would open it up to the rare team grief by them running off, but a few report warnings would set people straight that it isn't tolerate. Give them week suspension if they are suiciding at the enemy team.

They have always been absolutely terrified at handing over objective based control over to players......well any control what so ever actually. I always thought a game mode with multiple objectives to win, which are voted on at the start of the match by each side, meaning both sides could have different victory goals.

We don't get nice things.

the problem is that putting control of the VIP in the hands of a terrible player (which MWO has no shortage of) would have a similar impact to someone deliberately griefing. there's a very good reason why you rarely see things like this in multiplayer games.

[PocketYoda]

Only if they delete incursion as well.

cougurt, on 24 March 2018 - 06:45 PM, said:

the problem is that putting control of the VIP in the hands of a terrible player (which MWO has no shortage of) would have a similar impact to someone deliberately griefing. there's a very good reason why you rarely see things like this in multiplayer games.

Even a terrible player would be better than the current AI

Bud Crue, on 24 March 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

Escort serves the valuable function of forcing you to vote for Incursion as the lesser of two evils.
Without Escort, poor Incursion would never get played.

Good point.. ok delete Escort.

Edited by Samial, 24 March 2018 - 06:48 PM.