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[Bill Lumbar]

I have dropped maybe 3 times in the last 5 months for only a couple of games each time.... just not feeling it anymore. The grind is real.... always has been and I have voiced my concerns about it as many have before me. What is the point anymore???

[Jackal Noble]

Quxudica, on 13 August 2018 - 02:12 PM, said:

MH is absolutely not a JRPG, in any sense of that term. It's a punishing, difficult, and rewardingly complex action game focused on huge epic boss fights similar to Dark Souls.. only MH was around long before Demon Souls even existed. The "grind" in the game is also just the natural game-play loop; You fight monsters for materials and body-parts to make better gear to fight harder monsters for better materials and body parts to make even better gear to fight even harder.. you get the idea.

Thing is Monster-Hunter isn't purely stat dependent, player skill is heavily weighted and if you are good enough you can take on pretty strong Monsters even with low level gear and win. You try for a mid tier dragon in starter gear, it might one or two shot you if it hits, but if you are good enough at dodging and use your tools/traps intelligently.. it will never hit you. There is a "hard limit" in that you have to have a weapon with enough damage to kill the Monster before the mission timer expires or the Monster flees the map (typically 50 minutes) but even that's pretty flexible if you have enough skill and plan carefully enough.

The true "grind" in Monster Hunter is not the actual pursuit of gear (and there are no character stats to "level up" outside of your gear). The grind is you learning the monsters and the complexities of the game. There are 14 different weapons, all with wildly different playstyles and nuances to learn and every one of them are not just viable, but valuable once you learn how to utilize them and the games systems correctly.

I really can't praise MH high enough, if you enjoy complex action games with a rewarding learning curve and a surprising amount of depth.. you owe it to yourself to give the series a try. Though one word of advice; use a controller for it. K/M works and is fine (I use it for the ranged weapons, naturally) but a controller is where the melee controls are most at home.



Monster Hunter is justa gloriously complex series that still manages to not feel convoluted. I've roughly 50 hours in already as well and yeah it's been awesome. Runs just fine on my a-bit-above-mid-tier rig as well.

Thanks for in depth insight on it. I will def keep it on the periphery then.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 13 August 2018 - 03:44 PM.

[W4R GOD]

Jackal Noble, on 10 August 2018 - 04:15 PM, said:

For real, in my very active time with the game (3+ years) I cant recall ever seeing such a lack of activity on here. For the last week plus the rotation of threads/new threads seems very stagnant.
Is it really happening?

Not much to talk about. Issues are brought up and not resolved and god forbid you have any fun.

Two words:

Excessive Moderation

Cant have good guys and bad guys, generate rivalries etc.

[PocketYoda]

I personally got sick of dead/stale game play, horrible PSR forcing me into higher tiers than i could handle, horrible balance, horrible grinds for money, skills trees only the rich can afford, and buying mech packs that are garbage each month..

Why on earth would anyone play in those conditions..


Also waiting for Oceanic queues was insanely painful and 250-300 ping times to the US left me at a huge disadvantage..

Edited by Samial, 13 August 2018 - 06:41 PM.

[Quxudica]

Samial, on 13 August 2018 - 06:39 PM, said:

I personally got sick of dead/stale game play, horrible PSR forcing me into higher tiers than i could handle, horrible balance, horrible grinds for money, skills trees only the rich can afford, and buying mech packs that are garbage each month..

Why on earth would anyone play in those conditions..


Also waiting for Oceanic queues was insanely painful and 250-300 ping times to the US left me at a huge disadvantage..

I recently came back after a multi-year break and had something like 3000 free skill node points from all my old mastered mechs. Since I came back I've bought numerous new chassis (with cbills) and it's been fun experimenting with new builds.

That said, my supply of points is dwindling and I can absolutely tell that once I'm forced to grind those skill nodes my fun in the game is going to plummet. Enough that honestly I will probably leave again at that point. I like experimenting with builds but the idea of having to grind dozens of hours in a mech to skill it out and not be at a statistical disadvantage is just thoroughly unappealing. The cbil grind is already tedious enough and I say that being in the lucky situation of having multiple 30% bonus mechs that I'm good with and enjoy piloting.

Also the mech packs have always been disgusting. The price of a brand new AAA game (or more) for a digital mech.. that's utterly asinine to me and I have no idea at all why anyone has ever supported PGI's awful business model. Whenever the business model is mentioned I can't help but bring up what to me is one of the most laughably cynical things I've seen in a game; PGI charges six USD for a single different shade of green. I mean it's not 10 USD for a second save slot level bad, but still gods damned that's grodey.

[Mcgral18]

I've been here six years, and posted a couple times during that time.


I'm done
There is no hope left
GGclose, PGI

[Marauder3D]

Mcgral18, on 15 August 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

I've been here six years, and posted a couple times during that time.

I'm done
There is no hope left
GGclose, PGI

Uhh, I'm counting on you grognards keeping the lights on here while I play HBS BattleTech. Surely you aren't REALLY quitting?

[Jackal Noble]

Onnimanni, on 15 August 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

Like Wargaming's prime product, MWO is dying due to reasons rarely spoken of. World of Tanks took a certain route and tried certain technologies to boost player engagement to their product. They failed due to failing to understand human nature. MWO is dying for much of the same reasons. Very little wrong with the game ultimately, very much wrong with how the makers are trying to keep players engaged with the game.

You mean like the penultimate - people play games online to find and share a connection with others, not just to prove they are exclusively better than others. The more you feel like you belong to something greater, the more inclined you are to stick with it. When bonds are made veneer thin, cracks show more easily.

Edited by Jackal Noble, 15 August 2018 - 02:13 PM.

[Mystere]

Onnimanni, on 15 August 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

Like Wargaming's prime product, MWO is dying due to reasons rarely spoken of. World of Tanks took a certain route and tried certain technologies to boost player engagement to their product. They failed due to failing to understand human nature. MWO is dying for much of the same reasons. Very little wrong with the game ultimately, very much wrong with how the makers are trying to keep players engaged with the game.

Please, do not compare WoT with MWO. They're not even close. The former's population is still leaps and bounds larger than MWO's. WoT made a wrong turn. MWO never even reached its original destination as sold to the Founders.

[Tetatae Squawkins]

Wargaming probably brings in more revenue over the course of a few days than PGI does in a year.

[Mechwarrior1441491]

Summer coming to an end. who would have thought people were out doing stuff.

[Jatix]

I love this game and dont want it to go anywhere, but lately I've been having a really hard time logging in adn having fun. and according to the steam charts, I'm not the only one. Population is tanking.

Not everyone will agree with me, as all things game balance and design go. Thats fine, everyone can enjoy what they want. but I do think a very large amount of people arnt happy with the current game play. In the off chance that pgi is creeping this thread and is interested in whats wrong with the game I'll leave what I believe are the core problems with the current gameplay.

The easiest way to sum the problem up with the game is to say that its all a bunch of the same thing. Its just a giant nascaring deathball, with very little variation in mech builds. Theres no cool flanking, smaller skirmishes away from the group, cool builds, or anything. you sit with your group and alpha people and hope your team isnt the one that gets destroyed miserably. But theres many factors that contribute to this.

Map design is terrible. The new revamps of the maps just kinda make them all less fun. Its too big, and usually just promote bad game play. Aka new frozen city. Nobody wants to fight in the middle, it just promotes camping your base or nascaring. And maps are too mech biased now so if you are in the wrong mech and your map doesnt win have fun.

Hardpoint bloat. Theres way too many hardpoints on mechs now. It just makes the old mechs dead content and creates a few generic cheese builds that are better than everything else. and alpha and try to 2 shot people gameplay isnt fun or skillbased.

ECM nerf just promoted deathball game play. If you spread from the group to try and do anything interesting you just hear incoming missle and their piranhas come over to introduce you to bad gameplay.

Theres prob some other things but I feel like these are some of the core issues with the game. I'm hoping that at some point the game improves so I can come back to playing it 24/7. Its such a cool one of a kind game.

[Asym]

Mystere, on 15 August 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

Please, do not compare WoT with MWO. They're not even close. The former's population is still leaps and bounds larger than MWO's. WoT made a wrong turn. MWO never even reached its original destination as sold to the Founders.

WoTs failed mid stream and decided to take the lucrative "arcade" route and is surviving with all of the "history or military" players leaving.... Many left when the toxicity became "significantly" personal..... WoWs is now going down the same route as WoTs......a real shame.

MWO failed on day one: PGI bit off more than it could chew. The reviews at launch were correct. But, this game had a huge following clamoring for "the next MW installment" after Mercenaries.... Well, here we are so many years later wondering what happened and the answer is the same as when the game started. MW kindred spirits didn't let MWO down, the corporation running it did..... They even tried the WoTs route towards the "arcade" version (Solaris) and that failed because there is so much MW game expectations and history, they couldn't even get "Rock-and-Sock'em-Robots" right....

You are spot on correct.

Edited by Asym, 16 August 2018 - 04:52 AM.