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[Fallingfloor]

I have noticed a type of player but only took to the forum due to a recent match. Back in 2013 (before voice coms and any kind of report system) You could say "Im sneaking to A1" in chat and if some idiot follows you, and opens fire, drawing the attention of the enemy, you could just shoot out his back and kill him to make him stop. Heck most team damage was communication back then lol. Like "look over here" or "Move". There was direct in game repercussions for oblivious or apathetic players. Play oblivious enough and everyone puts a med laser in your leg blowing it off.

Today you can have some dude in a stock AS7-D in the back firing LRMs on a target 1500 meters out and there's nothing you can say or do. People get on your *** for being toxic when you are trying to explain to the guy he needs to complete the Cadet Academy. Today, you can have an entire firing line melt because they do a 180 to run away exposing their backs to the enemy. Just to happen next match because anyone explaining how the match was thrown gets lit up in coms.

This could just me being in T4, I haven't played in like 3 years, but i am not willing to grind to T1 without a solution to unperceptive or Dunning-Kruger level players. Is there a tip or trick to handle these players? Or just never play quick drops and stick with my unit?

[El Bandito]

You are T4 so naturally you will be grouped with people who have very little game related knowledge and skill. Have patience and climb the ranks. Shouldn't be that grindy if you are a hotshot, since the opposing teams are composed of potatoes too.

Or you could stick to FP/GQ, though those modes have basically no matchmaking.

Edited by El Bandito, 27 August 2018 - 01:19 AM.

[TechChris]

No, sadly there's nothing you can really do to force people to "pay attention" or remove there's heads from there behinds.

You could go the route of just playing with your unit or playing group queue. Albeit that has the caveat of taking a lot longer since for group queue ya need to find a good group then get that all settled then usually ended up queueing for even longer then QP, FP I basically same thing only even longer. Plus both have no Matchmaker so it can still be quite the grab bag of ****.

My suggestion.

Turn off the comms. Ya obviously don't need to listen to those yahoo's anyhow.

Go into settings and get everything just the way you prefer/like, FOV, gamma, sensitivities, etc, etc, etc. There's many more things that can be fiddled with and adjusted then there was 3 years ago. Training grounds a great place to fiddle til just how ya like it.

Buy and build yaself a nice tier 1 mech of your preferred style. Light? Assault? Lasers? Ballistics? There's plenty to choose if ya know what ya good at and what your doing. You could state ya preference here and ask around? Plenty folks on the forums that know all the "meta" like back there hands. (also plenty that just think they do, so gotta use some common sense too I guess.)

Go farm some potatoes. Long as ya got ya self a nice mech/build ya good in ya still be able to have some fun. Just gotta remember the "proper" mentality for Grinding up QP. It's you versus 12 enemies with 11 distraction/meat shields on your side. With a good mech, decent aim, some stubborn determination, and decent situational awareness and knowledge of game....... Shouldn't take ya too long to least get up to tier 2.

Past that..... IDK?!? I wish you best of luck on your journey, and may your potatoes harvest be bountiful!

[Sjorpha]

Of course it's not ok to shoot/kill teammates just for playing bad, good riddance.

You're tier 4 so you're playing with fresh newbies that might still be learning basic stuff.

[Mystere]

I don't know what you are yapping about but team killing was never ok.

You are now on PGI's official TK watchlist.

[Asym]

This is a FPS game. You do realize that? SOLARIS is the banner of the entire game and MW5 is a FPS with limited cooperation of what 4 other players possibly?

FP and GP and Comp are available but aren't the "mainstay" of the game. If they were, PGI would have fixed them and that surely isn't the case because they chose to disinvest themselves from FP and created Solaris. A FPS.

So, you are dealing with cooperative teams; not dedicated teams and if I am in one of those matches, I can chose to do what ever the heck I want to do to make it fun or have value for "moi".....me, I and not you.

Being a Tier 1 or a Tier 4 doesn't change the game's basic design....

OP, if you want "teams" join a team and play nothing but what's left of FP, GQ or Comp...... Have at it and good hunting !!

[Maddermax]

It's never ok to deliberately team kill, whatever happens. In T4 you're still matched with T5 players, absolute newbies, so you really shouldn't get so angry at them for not knowing things that you even think of either shooting them, or yelling at them over comms.

I do notice that the people who tend to get the most upset at the team in a match often never offer any advice of any use, only insults, and they also often have fairly mediocre scores that show they did just at badly as anyone else. Firstly, insults, or telling people to "get good" however you might phrase it, don't make other players get magically better. The best idea is to give actual tactical advice - eg "don't walk along the gully in Frozen City, lets go through G8" or "Lets wait at F5 for our assault mechs and try and group up". Secondly, Say it early, when the advice is actually useful, and then lead by example. Not every one will follow, but if you are actually giving good advice, you'll find way more matches going your way generally. Excoriating people after the fact does no one any good, and is more likely to simply drive newer players away instead.

Edited by Maddermax, 27 August 2018 - 05:29 AM.

[Mech Ranger]

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Edited by draiocht, 28 August 2018 - 09:45 AM.
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[Jon Gotham]

Asym, on 27 August 2018 - 05:14 AM, said:

This is a FPS game. You do realize that? SOLARIS is the banner of the entire game and MW5 is a FPS with limited cooperation of what 4 other players possibly?

FP and GP and Comp are available but aren't the "mainstay" of the game. If they were, PGI would have fixed them and that surely isn't the case because they chose to disinvest themselves from FP and created Solaris. A FPS.

So, you are dealing with cooperative teams; not dedicated teams and if I am in one of those matches, I can chose to do what ever the heck I want to do to make it fun or have value for "moi".....me, I and not you.

Being a Tier 1 or a Tier 4 doesn't change the game's basic design....

OP, if you want "teams" join a team and play nothing but what's left of FP, GQ or Comp...... Have at it and good hunting !!

But one caveat there, doing whatever you want for you also has the effect of affecting other people's fun too. Their fun is 100% as important as yours, no matter what you may feel or think.
It is a team based game even in "solo" Q.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Im self only a aged medicore Player , not very good...only ok and each Player have bad positioning or a bad Match
Yesterday we have in FW in the Other team a Player thats with 4 Mechs in Hellbore brings 58 dmg !!!!

and another guy in my team over more as 6 Matches brings in one game 500 dmg with 2 Mechs and good performance and in the next 2 Matches under 200 dmg with 4 mechs or only sub 500 dmg ..and im thinking ...why this great difference ?




reaction as own of my Mates her a little thickle with his matchs

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How many im seeing in her First Mech in FW...with all the Newbie errors -firing IS LRMs under 180m ...Shadowhawk only with a LLaser and a LRM 10 ....run as Defender to the enemy against all orders and will make a Light rush ...most have nothing experience with the game and will playing FW and crushed with her Team ...No Tutorial her who News can learn to play with bots in a Team in missions and thats Objectives the important Factor in FW

Edited by draiocht, 10 September 2018 - 08:18 PM.
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[Stone Wall]

Why I think the PSR is bad, is because back in the day for other Mech games - you played with everyone of all skill levels. I know personally I learned from the better players.

Having all the new people grouped into lower tiers just encourages bad gameplay.

[Eisenhorne]

Stone Wall, on 27 August 2018 - 08:07 AM, said:

Why I think the PSR is bad, is because back in the day for other Mech games - you played with everyone of all skill levels. I know personally I learned from the better players.

Having all the new people grouped into lower tiers just encourages bad gameplay.

Don't worry, there's plenty of bad gameplay at all tiers.

[MechaBattler]

People are on their own in pug play. Don't expect others to act the way you want. The only thing you can do is try to work with whatever your team is doing. Haring off on your own isn't something I would endorse either. You're just shorting your team. Even if they're not terribly good. They're still better off with as much firepower as possible. Which ever side can better support their team best is more likely to win. Even if that means some teammates are mainly meatshields. Even the best player will only last so long if he is focused by three enemies to his own. And even lights can get caught by other lights.

[Mech Ranger]

MechaBattler, on 27 August 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

People are on their own in pug play. Don't expect others to act the way you want. The only thing you can do is try to work with whatever your team is doing. Haring off on your own isn't something I would endorse either. You're just shorting your team. Even if they're not terribly good. They're still better off with as much firepower as possible. Which ever side can better support their team best is more likely to win. Even if that means some teammates are mainly meatshields. Even the best player will only last so long if he is focused by three enemies to his own. And even lights can get caught by other lights.

the problem is some time what they doing r " sitting and w8 for been flanked " , "split out w8 for been ***** one by one" or "following some light brainlessly to trap and get slaughtered"

which can be avoid simply as long as they do read the mini map and think a little bit

Edited by Mech Ranger, 27 August 2018 - 09:27 AM.

[Fallingfloor]

My point being that in the wild west of 2013, players would not suffer the centurion blocking the atlas in the cave of river city. He would be dead in a second for causing a traffic jam. I am not vouching for team kills/damage. I am stating that new players learned quick.

I think the conversation sorta devolved from my point. How do we handle apathetic players. Ones that ignore you explaing that their IS med lasers dont work 550 meters out, or you tell them to not chase the squirrel.

There could be a very simple system where the report function had an additional "Unskilled" slot where it only negatively impacts your Pilot Teir rating when 8+ players report you in a match. There could even be a special place called T6 where only trolls go and the only way to enter T6 is to be reported out of T5.

[Tom Sawyer]

Some days you after games where you have lurm noobs at 2k, backstabbers, and clueless team-mates.....

[Phoenix 72]

How to handle apathetic players?

I don't care...



Either way, while you work on that, you could also work on solving that problem with world peace.

[Bud Crue]

How to handle apathetic players?

Easy, same as the way as MWO players have been handling apathetic devs for years:

Yell at them about what you want and when you finally realize they don’t care...go play something else.



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Edited by draiocht, 10 September 2018 - 08:39 PM.
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[Asym]

Jon Gotham, on 27 August 2018 - 07:24 AM, said:

But one caveat there, doing whatever you want for you also has the effect of affecting other people's fun too. Their fun is 100% as important as yours, no matter what you may feel or think.
It is a team based game even in "solo" Q.

Actually, that's the popular theory..... Unfortunately, it's 100% voluntary. I've seen Jimmy Jack take his father's mech and paint himself blue in the mech lab, swap out every logical weapon and drop screaming Banzai as the mech screams across the QP maps ending in a glorious and spectacular death !! Match after match after match.... I've seen very skilled pilots from this forum "just yolo it" because they could and it seemed "fun"....

Yes, it is un-fair to the 11 others......but, not against any rule or expectation. After all, you are measured by "your scores" not the other 11's scores.....???

[Johny Rocket]

The player base is so small at this point I doubt tier even matters anymore, matchmaker makes matches with what its got to work with.