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[Gagis]

You all need to be told about our lord and saviour, the Longbow:

• It is a 85 ton IS assault with jump jets, which is optimal for a mobile weapons platform.
  
• It has missile hardpoints in arms and side torsos for absolutely disgusting MRM and LRM boating
  
• It is from Macross, just like Marauder, Warhammer, Archer, Rifleman, Crusader etc.
  
• The base variant is abbreviated LGB-7Q, which is absolutely fabulous.

Longbow, now!

[FupDup]

Gagis, on 05 September 2021 - 10:46 AM, said:

You all need to be told about our lord and saviour, the Longbow:

• It is a 85 ton IS assault with jump jets, which is optimal for a mobile weapons platform.
  
• It has missile hardpoints in arms and side torsos for absolutely disgusting MRM and LRM boating
  
• It is from Macross, just like Marauder, Warhammer, Archer, Rifleman, Crusader etc.
  
• The base variant is abbreviated LGB-7Q, which is absolutely fabulous.

Longbow, now!

There's also a variant with 6 Light AC/5's, which would give us (even more) of an excuse to add more tech to the game.

[FLG 01]

1453 R, on 04 September 2021 - 07:37 PM, said:

Nobody wants Wasps or Stingers. Not to pilot. There is absolutely no gameplay value whatsoever to either design; there is actually factually nothing either 'Mech could accomplish that another design doesn't do several times better.

We do not have any jump-capable 20t Mechs. The IS does not even have a 25t Mech with JJ. And as far as 20t IS Mechs with JJs in general are concerned, those two are your best options.

The Stinger also comes with useful hardpoints and would be rather potent in game.

[Novakaine]

Gagis, on 05 September 2021 - 10:46 AM, said:

You all need to be told about our lord and saviour, the Longbow:

• It is a 85 ton IS assault with jump jets, which is optimal for a mobile weapons platform.
  
• It has missile hardpoints in arms and side torsos for absolutely disgusting MRM and LRM boating
  
• It is from Macross, just like Marauder, Warhammer, Archer, Rifleman, Crusader etc.
  
• The base variant is abbreviated LGB-7Q, which is absolutely fabulous.

Longbow, now!

That one is my next campaign

Edited by Novakaine, 05 September 2021 - 11:55 AM.

[HauptmanT]

Wasp/Stinger, Crusader, Longbow... in that order of importance.

Sure they gave us the Incubus, which 'looks' like a Wasp... but it aint no Wasp.
I've got some of my old Ral Partha lead figures sittin on my desk, can ya guess what they are? A Wasp and a Phoenix Hawk right there front and center. LAM and Mech versions.

Gimee the WASP NOW!

Imagine the terror. It'll be the Arctic Cheater all over again. Tiny 20 ton mech jumping all over the place. GIMEE!

[Adeptus Odren]

HauptmanT, on 05 September 2021 - 01:12 PM, said:

Wasp/Stinger, Crusader, Longbow... in that order of importance.

Nope, Crusader, Longbow, then Wasp/Stinger. Why? Personal preference. Only way I'd buy a Wasp/Stinger are jump jet quirks that will let them almost fly to simulate a Land Air Mech.

[HauptmanT]

Adeptus Odren, on 08 September 2021 - 10:02 PM, said:

Nope, Crusader, Longbow, then Wasp/Stinger. Why? Personal preference. Only way I'd buy a Wasp/Stinger are jump jet quirks that will let them almost fly to simulate a Land Air Mech.

I dont know if they need to be THAT jumpy. They were slow for 20 tonners, and jump distance was based on speed in TT. I dont expect Spider levels of jumpiness, but you know, your standard 6 jump jet fair. Like the Arctic Cheater pre size nerf. With new tech they could be pretty impressive, instead of the vanilla 1medL, 1 MG, and 1 srm2, that I sorta remember being on the original Wasp. They would definatly need some liberties to be taken on hard points, but not Flea level, since you know, jump jets.

Crusader I do remember being missile heavy, which we kinda dont need, to be brutally honest. Which is why the Longbow isnt a huge deal to me. Crusader is a cool looking nostalgic mech, which I'd love to see in game, but I just dont see them being wonderful with all the missile hardpoints... especially since we dont get leg hard points these days. There's only so many things you can do with a bunch of missile hard points. You only need one due to MRMs being a thing.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

HauptmanT, on 09 September 2021 - 02:25 AM, said:

Crusader I do remember being missile heavy
[snip]
.. only so many things you can do with a bunch of missile hard points. You only need one due to MRMs being a thing.

several mrm80-120+ mechs beg to differ here
then there's srm-brawling, which needs like a minimum of 3-4 hardpoints
and don't forget about the ..special.. crowd who'll slap several LRM5a on it.

in short: more missile hardpoints = more fun.
so: crusader. now!

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 09 September 2021 - 04:12 AM.

[pbiggz]

Look, at this point, we have so many mechs, and so many variants of mechs, that everyone is basically going to say "X is a strictly better version of Y." Because of this, I think it's no longer a good justification to not have mechs in the game, so lets add all the jank.

I certainly have my pet jank, (I want a turkina assuming it has major UPs, and for gas guzzler's sake, I wouldn't mind the kingfisher either ).

If y'all want the crusader, lets go get y'all a crusader.

[Adeptus Odren]

pbiggz, on 09 September 2021 - 05:32 AM, said:

If y'all want the crusader, lets go get y'all a crusader.

You get a crusader, I get a crusader, everyone gets a crusader!

[FupDup]

pbiggz, on 09 September 2021 - 05:32 AM, said:

Look, at this point, we have so many mechs, and so many variants of mechs, that everyone is basically going to say "X is a strictly better version of Y." Because of this, I think it's no longer a good justification to not have mechs in the game, so lets add all the jank.

A pretty good justification is the extreme resource limitation that we're dealing with. We'll be lucky if we get even one single new chassis in this game. Since we probably have only one shot, that shot needs to count.

If we still got a mech each month like the olden days then I could entertain the argument of adding more jank, since we'd only have a short wait until the next non-jank came along. But since we don't have that liberty, the non-jank needs to be prioritized.

[Novakaine]

The only shot that counts would be the Crusader.

[ThreeStooges]

Rather have a wasp stinger combo pack instead of a mech that looks like a drunk griffan an archer got it on.

[ScrapIron Prime]

ThreeStooges, on 09 September 2021 - 07:33 PM, said:

… a mech that looks like a drunk griffan an archer got it on.

Is that a PPC in your right arm, or are you just happy to see me? Both, actually!

[1453 R]

I really don't get why people think this thing would be good. Like, all right - 'Mech Dads want to complete the collection. Sure. Fair. But you won't actually pilot the blurdy thing. It's a crapa#$ Archer with worse hitboxes. Especially since all the kitbash images people keep throwing up show it with giant bullet-catching Archer missile bays in its shoulders it doesn't actually have. This thing would need Beyond Good and Evil-level quirks to be remotely worth bothering with in the field, it'd basically exist specifically so modders could patch the model back into HBS BT to make a More Complete 'Mech Dad Game, and/or so Piranha could try and fish for nostalgia buys with a Crusader in their next MW5 DLC.

Edited by 1453 R, 10 September 2021 - 05:10 AM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

It’s no worse a bullet catcher than the shoulders of a Timberwolf, and as we’ve seen recently a decent re-quirkening made THAT mech both popular and usable again. It’s all about putting a little extra armor on the bits that are easy to shoot.

Yes, I do want to collect this thing, and with the right quirks plus ports to MW5 lots of other people will too. That’s sales, and that gets PGI’s attention. And I will play a Crusader and do well with it.

And I might even taunt you with 1000 damage screenshots should this turkey ever come to pass. Gobble gobble mech dad.

[1453 R]

Heh. I have no doubt you could pull it off. I'm just in 110% agreement with Fup - if we get another 'Mech, it will almost certainly be the very last 'Mech we ever get. That was very nearly the Dervish, and I can imagine plenty of folks who would've been a lot less eager to argue for the Dervish if they'd have known it was going to be the last new chassis MWO ever got.

We're in a relatively unique position of knowing that whatever we can get, if we can get anything, will be absolutely the last new chassis we ever get. Like Fup said, we have to make it count. For some folks, that means Completing The Collection and getting the Crusader. That counts as 'Counting' for them, and we can;t ignore that. But just the same, the Crusader fans can't ignore that the Crusader brings absolutely nothing to MWO except for nostalgia. We're gonna have to figure out if nostalgia is the only thing we want out of the very last 'Mech we'll ever get.

[The Basilisk]

What else than completing the collection or getting an other nostalgic mech does count at this point of the game?
Regarding the already build in game mechanics we have several mechs in each weight and tech class that fulfill any role, specialisation or what ever you could come up with.
So literaly the only reason you would buy a new mech is for the looks.

[1453 R]

I mean...I could want a high-speed medium OmniMech with superb jump capability and the ability to mount a reasonable energy armament, as a competitor to the Black Lanner for the role of a pursuit/raider 'Mech. I could want a scorchingly fast medium OmniMech with diverse access to advanced electronics and dozens of energy hardpoints as a supreme hunter-killer unmatched by other designs. I could want to Complete The Collection on the Clan side, with the final O.G. Invasion-era OmniMech we have not, and will never, see. No one seems upset that those who play the Clan side won't ever get to Complete The Collection, either.

Folks could want a nigh-unkillable STD-engine assault OmniMech with much better weapon hardpoints and geo than the Executioner. To say nothing of BattleMech designs, such as a certain, highly iconic hundred-ton Clan BattleMech known for already being available in MechDB, or the sheer, overwhelming autocannon nonsense of another iconic hundred-ton Clan BattleMech.

There's plenty of stuff that would bring new and fun capabilities to MWO. "65-ton missile-centric Succession Wars Sphere heavy" does not, unfortunately, bring anything new to the table.

[Mark Nicholson]

1453 R, on 10 September 2021 - 07:24 AM, said:

No one seems upset that those who play the Clan side won't ever get to Complete The Collection, either.

I am. Though admittedly, I didn't find the Phantom to be at all compelling for MWO when it came up in discussion.
Also, do you guys have any idea how long the fan in me has been wanting to make a Crusader/Wasp/Stinger/Valkyrie pack?