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[Spheroid]

@Big Tin Man: He would need a new build, he is limited to 320 watts.

[Big Tin Man]

Spheroid, on 27 September 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

@Big Tin Man: He would need a new build, he is limited to 320 watts.

I saw that after I hit post. It also likely wouldn't fit in a small form factor case.

[B L O O D W I T C H]

Ruccus, on 27 September 2018 - 12:12 PM, said:

I'd suggest looking at low profile cards that have a 128-bit memory interface and use GDDR5 memory. Those are generally adequate for gaming without requiring a huge amount of power. Just looking at Newegg.com they've got an MSI Radeon RX560 for $130 ($115 after rebate), some GeForce GTX 1050 cards at around $140, and a few GeForce GTX 1050Ti cards for around $185. Any of those should be fine.

I most have confused it with another thread about dell pcs
Anyhow, took a look at hp 6200 pros, depending on the formfactor, i don't think they could even house as rx560 or 1050.
Also, looked like industrial 320w psus, which will very likely not be able to handle any modern graphics card but sure no 1050 or rx560. For a 1050, about 300w is minimum, so the psu will most likely run full force (until it dies) while still throttle the power.

I can see an older low end, low form factor work, but that's just throwing away money, imho.

[Napoleon_Blownapart]

over the winter i thought i upgraded from a Gigabyte HD7770oc 1GB CARD TO A MSI RX460 AERO 4GB card 1st let me say look closely at 460s some have 896 cores like linked in pc part picker and my msi has 1024 cores, i still feel my new card i overpaid for seems more like a side grade than an upgrade....

[Humpday]

Honestly I'd bump your cpu up.
I saw very minimal perf diff going from a gtx1050->gtx1070.

Those running much more rubust CPUs than my i7700HQ @3.5 are seeing way better numbers with the same card.

EDIT: minimal perf increase on both high and low settings, but just in this game. Other games jumped up like +20-50FPS on high/ultra everywhere.

Edited by Humpday, 27 September 2018 - 12:32 PM.

[kuma8877]

Another option that might be more useful, given the case size and PW, what about looking to see if you can find a CPU upgrade (it's mentioned as up-gradable in the specs)? You could potentially find better gains in MWO by moving up to an I5 rather than going for a budget GC (and possible PW to make it work right).

Ninja'd.

Edited by kuma8877, 27 September 2018 - 12:38 PM.

[BlueStrat]

My current rig that I upgraded to about a year and a half ago is a Gigabyte AM1M-S2H mobo with a quad-core AMD 5350 APU, 8GB RAM, and a Gigabyte GT730 1GB GPU which I am upgrading to a GT730 4GB. I'm limited GPU-wise by the mobo having only a PCI-e 2.0x16 slot, although I do have a 650W PSU. I average about 16-20 FPS in-game depending on the map.

I'm hoping the new GPU will help at least a tiny bit. Next on the list is more system RAM. I'm a disabled senior barely surviving on disability and actually legally blind until I can get cataract surgery done on my eyes, so it's taken me about a year to save enough for the slightly-better GPU (~$85). It's my 61st birthday (and Christmas) present to myself.

Edited by BlueStrat, 27 September 2018 - 01:36 PM.

[LT. HARDCASE]

There's some bad advice being tossed around.

OP should just buy a GTX 1050.

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 01:21 PM, said:

My current rig that I upgraded to about a year and a half ago is a Gigabyte AM1M-S2H mobo with a quad-core AMD 5350 APU, 8GB RAM, and a Gigabyte GT730 1GB GPU which I am upgrading to a GT730 4GB. I'm limited GPU-wise by the mobo having only a PCI-e 2.0x16 slot, although I do have a 650W PSU. I average about 16-20 FPS in-game depending on the map.

I'm hoping the new GPU will help at least a tiny bit. Next on the list is more system RAM. I'm a disabled senior barely surviving on disability and actually legally blind until I can get cataract surgery done on my eyes, so it's taken me about a year to save enough for the slightly-better GPU (~$85). It's my 61st birthday (and Christmas) present to myself.

Spending $85 for another GT 730 is literally a waste of money. You're setting the money on fire.

[Harlock69]

Off the HP support page, I can use these CPU's:

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  Intel Core i7-2600 (3.40 GHz, 8MB cache, 4 cores)
  
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  Intel Core i5-2500 (3.30 GHz, 6MB cache, 4 cores)
  
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  Intel Core i5-2400 (3.10 GHz, 6MB cache, 4 cores) Currently in the machine
  
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  Intel Core i3-2120 (3.30 GHz, 3MB cache, 2 cores)
  
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  Intel Core i3-2100 (3.10 GHz, 3MB cache, 2 cores)

Additionally, just got home and cracked the case. The power supply is 320w.

Edited by Harlock69, 27 September 2018 - 01:57 PM.

[BlueStrat]

LT. HARDCASE, on 27 September 2018 - 01:45 PM, said:

There's some bad advice being tossed around.

OP should just buy a GTX 1050.


Spending $85 for another GT 730 is literally a waste of money. You're setting the money on fire.

I mostly agree, but I have no other options since a new mobo/CPU/etc etc is totally beyond my means. It took me >2yrs to save enough to upgrade to my current rig from an ancient HP Pavilion with a Pent IV.

Edited by BlueStrat, 27 September 2018 - 01:58 PM.

[Ghogiel]

Spheroid, on 27 September 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

@Ghogiel: That is simply not the case. Modern cards work in old rigs all the time. Here is a tech support question asking that very question: https://h30434.www3....NG/td-p/6089367

Sometimes. If his shipped with win vista it likely won't work. it'll have locked bios so it'll be pretty hard to get new gpus to run on it.

he needs to check his bios update. He needs 8.xx or higher. If it's 7.xx... RIP

edit: actually if he can run a 7 series nvid already, he should be able to run UEFI cards

Edited by Ghogiel, 27 September 2018 - 02:03 PM.

[Ruccus]

Harlock69, on 27 September 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

Additionally, just got home and cracked the case. The power supply is 320w.

Is it a Small Form Factor case (which only supports low profile cards) or a mircotower case (that supports full size cards)? Searching HP's website I found the 6200 Pro was made in both designs.

[Harlock69]

Ghogiel, on 27 September 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

Sometimes. If his shipped with win vista it likely won't work. it'll have locked bios so it'll be pretty hard to get new gpus to run on it.

he needs to check his bios update. He needs 8.xx or higher. If it's 7.xx... RIP

edit: actually if he can run a 7 series nvid already, he should be able to run UEFI cards

Shipped refurbed from Newegg with Win 10.

[Harlock69]

Ruccus, on 27 September 2018 - 02:06 PM, said:

Is it a Small Form Factor case (which only supports low profile cards) or a mircotower case (that supports full size cards)? Searching HP's website I found the 6200 Pro was made in both designs.

I'm thinking microtower. Here's some pics for reference:

[Ruccus]

Yup, that's a microtower with a BTX motherboard so you should be able to fit full sized cards in it. Do you have a specific budget you want to keep to? A full sized Radeon RX560, GeForce GTX 1050 or GTX 1050Ti card should be fine depending on the budget.

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 01:58 PM, said:

I mostly agree, but I have no other options since a new mobo/CPU/etc etc is totally beyond my means. It took me >2yrs to save enough to upgrade to my current rig from an ancient HP Pavilion with a Pent IV.

The Athlon 5350 isn't a terribly powerful processor, but considering your GeForce GT 730 is a 1GB card it's likely one with a 64 bit memory interface and/or only 96 CUDA cores. Would advise against upgrading to another 730 though, as you're likely to fall into one of the same pitfalls (not enough cores and/or memory bandwidth for a gaming card).

Looking a Newegg.com the absolute cheapest card I'd recommend buying as an upgrade would be something like the PowerColor Radeon RX 550 for $90, $70 after rebates. It has 640 stream processors and a 128 bit memory interface with GDDR5 memory, so it's an adequate budget gaming card. (edit: This is assuming you can fit full width cards in your computer)

Edited by Ruccus, 27 September 2018 - 02:38 PM.

[BlueStrat]

Ruccus, on 27 September 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

The Athlon 5350 isn't a terribly powerful processor, but considering your GeForce GT 730 is a 1GB card it's likely one with a 64 bit memory interface and/or only 96 CUDA cores. Would advise against upgrading to another 730 though, as you're likely to fall into one of the same pitfalls (not enough cores and/or memory bandwidth for a gaming card).

Looking a Newegg.com the absolute cheapest card I'd recommend buying as an upgrade would be something like the PowerColor Radeon RX 550 for $90, $70 after rebates. It has 640 stream processors and a 128 bit memory interface with GDDR5 memory, so it's an adequate budget gaming card.

My mobo only supports PCI-e 2.0. That card is PCI-e 3.0.

That's why I did not get something like it to begin with. I used Newegg's filters and that GT730/4gb is the best I could do. I was also limited to a total of $100 or less including shipping.

At least the new 730 has a lot more cores and video RAM.

Right now I cannot play Alpine at all due to screen/frame ripping/tearing, and even Polar I have intermittent screen ripping/tearing issues, although I can usually but not always get it to stop by zooming in & out when it starts happening.

Strangely, Solaris City runs about as well as other maps for me barring Alpine/Polar.

Edited by BlueStrat, 27 September 2018 - 02:54 PM.

[Ruccus]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

My mobo only supports PCI-e 2.0. That card is PCI-e 3.0.

That's why I did not get something like it to begin with. I used Newegg's filters and that GT730/4gb is the best I could do. I was also limited to a total of $100 or less including shipping.

PCIe 3.0 cards are backwards compatible with PCIe 2.0 slots.

Edit: I just realized (it's been a while since I made my computer) that I am currently running an Asus P8Z68-V Pro motherboard (PCIe 2.0) with a Radeon RX480 (PCIe 3.0 card).

Edited by Ruccus, 27 September 2018 - 02:49 PM.

[BlueStrat]

Ruccus, on 27 September 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

PCIe 3.0 cards are backwards compatible with PCIe 2.0 slots.

Edit: I just realized (it's been a while since I made my computer) that I am currently running an Asus P8Z68-V Pro motherboard (PCIe 2.0) with a Radeon RX480 (PCIe 3.0 card).

Well, the money is already spent and the card arrives tomorrow from Amazon, plus I don't have the extra money for the more expensive card from Newegg even after returning this one.

[JC Daxion]

BlueStrat, on 27 September 2018 - 03:06 PM, said:

Well, the money is already spent and the card arrives tomorrow from Amazon, plus I don't have the extra money for the more expensive card from Newegg even after returning this one.

what did you end up going with?

[BlueStrat]

JC Daxion, on 27 September 2018 - 03:12 PM, said:

what did you end up going with?

ViewMax GeForce GT 730 4GB GDDR3 128 Bit PCI Express (PCIe) DVI Video Card HDMI