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[Avlaen]

Allow back armour to be increased without losing front armour, Like in Table top/battle tech/earlier mech warriors.

This way i can Drop weapons or heat sinks to actually have some back protection, Even with the existence of piranhas having a lot of back armour is just a terrible idea, because it leaves your front, the armour you use up every game massively lacking.

[Jackal Noble]

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

Allow back armour to be increased without losing front armour, Like in Table top/battle tech/earlier mech warriors.

This way i can Drop weapons or heat sinks to actually have some back protection, Even with the existence of piranhas having a lot of back armour is just a terrible idea, because it leaves your front, the armour you use up every game massively lacking.

It’s called choice. That’s the beauty of it;
it’s your choice on how you want to distribute your armor.
It’s your choice if you want to let your game be dictated by a little freak 20 ton mech.
It’s your choice if you want to run the very mech which you fear.
It’s your choice if you want to run streaks and absolutely nullify it from the equation.
End of the day, everything has a cost and consequence. More back armor isn’t going to alleviate poor choices.

[Avlaen]

Jackal Noble, on 24 October 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

It’s called choice. That’s the beauty of it;
it’s your choice on how you want to distribute your armor.
It’s your choice if you want to let your game be dictated by a little freak 20 ton mech.
It’s your choice if you want to run the very mech which you fear.
It’s your choice if you want to run streaks and absolutely nullify it from the equation.
End of the day, everything has a cost and consequence. More back armor isn’t going to alleviate poor choices.

Then it should be my choice to take less weapons and more back armour, and streaks are terrible with the lock on nerfs.

And taking more back armour in the current mechanics is just literaly the worst idea you can ever do. its not a choice.

as it is piranhas are just disgusting in how much DPS they put out, even standing with a team isnt much help when they can core you out in seconds.

Edited by Avlaen, 24 October 2018 - 11:30 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

Allow back armour to be increased without losing front armour, Like in Table top/battle tech/earlier mech warriors.

This way i can Drop weapons or heat sinks to actually have some back protection, Even with the existence of piranhas having a lot of back armour is just a terrible idea, because it leaves your front, the armour you use up every game massively lacking.

In the other thread you said that a PIR killed your MAD CAT II within 4 seconds shooting your back while you were with your team. If you and your team give a PIR the opportunity to kill you that easily, you deserve to get shot out of your mech

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:

Then it should be my choice to take less weapons and more back armour, and streaks are terrible with the lock on nerfs.

And taking more back armour in the current mechanics is just literaly the worst idea you can ever do. its not a choice.

as it is piranhas are just disgusting in how much DPS they put out, even standing with a team isnt much help when they can core you out in seconds.

I hear no complaints from assault players that they pity light mechs that...
1. get one-shot or crippled by an alpha
2. get soft countered by all lock weapons
3. get hard countered by streaks
4. get one shot or crippled by a dual heavy gauss or tripple HPPC alpha
etc

Seriously, suck it up, watch your surroundings and learn to hit small targets. These double standards are ridiculous

Edited by Bush Hopper, 24 October 2018 - 11:35 AM.

[Jackal Noble]

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:

and streaks are terrible with the lock on nerfs.

if you can aim, you can lock streaks. Just like anything it takes practice. two SSRM-6 will pretty much blow off the side torso of a PIR, at the very least if he is smart make him run away from you. If he is not then you get to enjoy fried fish.
If your playstyle isn't working, try changing it up and do something different rather than doing the same thing and expecting different results.
They are not going to change the armor characteristics. For one thing, that would be for all mechs, so even the PIR's survivability would go up, along with every other effective light that assaults cower in fear of.

[Avlaen]

Bush Hopper, on 24 October 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

In the other thread you said that a PIR killed your MAD CAT II within 4 seconds shooting your back while you were with your team. If you and your team give a PIR the opportunity to kill you that easily, you deserve to get shot out of your mech

Yet no other light can do it that easily. with more back armour the piranha would still be deadly scary it just wouldnt be as oppressive, when a 20t mech has more DPS than mechs several times its wieght and the massive speed it has it just gets stupid

This isnt even a specific nerf the piranha will keep its DPS and DMG, but ifp eople choose to drop dmg they can be a bit more survivable

Jackal Noble, on 24 October 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

if you can aim, you can lock streaks. Just like anything it takes practice. two SSRM-6 will pretty much blow off the side torso of a PIR, at the very least if he is smart make him run away from you. If he is not then you get to enjoy fried fish.
If your playstyle isn't working, try changing it up and do something different rather than doing the same thing and expecting different results.
They are not going to change the armor characteristics. For one thing, that would be for all mechs, so even the PIR's survivability would go up, along with every other effective light that assaults cower in fear of.

Id be fine with lights being a bit tougher. (again theyd still have to free up the weight from somewhere) if a piranha wants to take more back armour that means less guns or ammo, its a trade off which makes more interesting choices

Its not like suddenly everyone is going to have Max back armour at no cost.

Edited by Avlaen, 24 October 2018 - 11:43 AM.

[Spheroid]

Your solution just punishes other lower dps lights from attempting backshots. Anything that is not Piranha specific will have unintended consequences.

[Avlaen]

Spheroid, on 24 October 2018 - 11:45 AM, said:

Your solution just punishes other lower dps lights from attempting backshots. Anything that is not Piranha specific will have unintended consequences.

Only if people sacrifice weapons to do so, which means it would be safer for them

[Throe]

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Edited by Throe, 08 November 2018 - 03:39 PM.

[Weeny Machine]

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

Yet no other light can do it that easily. with more back armour the piranha would still be deadly scary it just wouldnt be as oppressive, when a 20t mech has more DPS than mechs several times its wieght and the massive speed it has it just gets stupid

This isnt even a specific nerf the piranha will keep its DPS and DMG, but ifp eople choose to drop dmg they can be a bit more survivable



Id be fine with lights being a bit tougher. (again theyd still have to free up the weight from somewhere) if a piranha wants to take more back armour that means less guns or ammo, its a trade off which makes more interesting choices

Its not like suddenly everyone is going to have Max back armour at no cost.

The problem is that many of the other light mechs are simply subpar and their many drawbacks are not compensated by either their agility (which e.g. the 35t lack) or their size (which also the 35t mechs lack because someone with even a bad aim should be able to him them).

Why cramp a PIR in the same subpar performance category?

[dr3dnought]

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 11:25 AM, said:

And taking more back armour in the current mechanics is just literaly the worst idea you can ever do. its not a choice.

Then obviously it's the other mechs that are the bigger threat, not the piranhas. If piranhas really were a problem it would not be a bad idea to sacrifice some front armour for more back armour.

[Avlaen]

dr3dnought, on 24 October 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

Then obviously it's the other mechs that are the bigger threat, not the piranhas. If piranhas really were a problem it would not be a bad idea to sacrifice some front armour for more back armour.

Except thats not how the mechanics work in the game at all, the game is won by sharing armour and helping your team take hits, if you are taking less front armour especialy as a heavy or assault, your putting your team in a massive handicap. Same as LRM assaults that sit back not contributing to the fight.

Even if you took 15 extra back armour thats only a Second of a piranhas DPS, and if the enemy team dosent have a piranha or it dosent attack you, you have wasted that 15 armour for your team.

one second against a single mech(not even a whole class of mechs, thats how much of an outlier the piranhas performance is) is never worth the front armour.

Edited by Avlaen, 24 October 2018 - 12:09 PM.

[dr3dnought]

None of that refutes my point

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

Except thats not how the mechanics work in the game at all, the game is won by sharing armour and helping your team take hits, if you are taking less front armour especialy as a heavy or assault, your putting your team in a massive handicap.

Then piranhas aren't much of a problem. If they were the team would also be sharing back armour. Yes that sounds absurd because idea that piranhas are that dangerous is absurd.

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[color=#959595]Even if you took 15 extra back armour thats only a Second of a piranhas DPS, and if the enemy team dosent have a piranha or it dosent attack you, you have wasted that 15 armour for your team.[/color]

If you only occasionally wish you had more back armour then piranhas aren't much of a problem.

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[color=#959595]one second against a single mech(not even a whole class of mechs, thats how much of an outlier the piranhas performance is) is never worth the front armour.[/color]

If defending against piranhas is never worth the front armour then they aren't much of a problem.

[Avlaen]

dr3dnought, on 24 October 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

None of that refutes my point



Then piranhas aren't much of a problem. If they were the team would also be sharing back armour. Yes that sounds absurd because idea that piranhas are that dangerous is absurd.

If you only occasionally wish you had more back armour then piranhas aren't much of a problem.


If defending against piranhas is never worth the front armour then they aren't much of a problem.

I mean your argument is they arent a problem because i say so, and unless your walking backwards into the enemy i dont know how you can say sharing back armour would be possible.

Or that piranhas arent a problem when they arent in the game, neither of which makes any logical sense...

[dr3dnought]

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

I mean your argument is they arent a problem because i say so

No it isn't. My argument is that piranhas aren't a problem because if they were you would take more back armour to defend against them.

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[color=#959595]unless your walking backwards into the enemy i dont know how you can say sharing back armour would be possible.[/color]

Obviously i meant sharing back armour against all the backstabbing piranhas that are such a huge problem for the team. Again, it sounds absurd because the idea that piranhas are that big of a problem is absurd.

[CFC Conky]

Ok, I'm going to profess my ignorance here. I own the PIR and yes, I've been able to kill assault mechs pretty quickly, but only when their armor is gone and I'm shooting at a stripped/nearly stripped component, otherwise, the mg's just bounce off. I can bring some lasers to take out the armor, which takes some time and gives my opponent a chance to turn around, or get help.

As a result, I've upped the back armor of all my mechs. The extra 4, 5, or 6 points that don't go on the front won't make me die any faster than I already do, but a little extra on the back can make a world of difference.

But what do I know, I'm just a sh*thouse T4 QP spud .

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[TWIAFU]

Solutions to the PIR;

1. Don't let them within MG range.
2. Streaks
3. Aiming
4. Communication and Teamwork
5. Walk a mile in it's shoes - buy one and play it to see it's weaknesses.
6. Fire on the one shooting your teammates, not the one shooting you.
7. Situational awareness.

[Weeny Machine]

CFC Conky, on 24 October 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Ok, I'm going to profess my ignorance here. I own the PIR and yes, I've been able to kill assault mechs pretty quickly, but only when their armor is gone and I'm shooting at a stripped/nearly stripped component, otherwise, the mg's just bounce off. I can bring some lasers to take out the armor, which takes some time and gives my opponent a chance to turn around, or get help.

As a result, I've upped the back armor of all my mechs. The extra 4, 5, or 6 points that don't go on the front won't make me die any faster than I already do, but a little extra on the back can make a world of difference.

But what do I know, I'm just a sh*thouse T4 QP spud .

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

The general problem is: he gives a PIR 4!!! seconds uptime on his back and then complains that he dies. If he does that to a medium, heavy or assault he is dead, too. His personal problem is that it is a light mech - instead he should be angry with himself for making such a huge mistake giving anyone such a long uptime on his weakly protected rear. But no, it is easier to complain on the board.

[Avlaen]

Bush Hopper, on 24 October 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

The general problem is: he gives a PIR 4!!! seconds uptime on his back and then complains that he dies. If he does that to a medium, heavy or assault he is dead, too. His personal problem is that it is a light mech - instead he should be angry with himself for making such a huge mistake giving anyone such a long uptime on his weakly protected rear. But no, it is easier to complain on the board.

Mediums and heavys dont have the DPS of a piranha...

The fact that its only a piranha that can kill so fast, no other light mech has any where near that amount of dmg/efficacy

Edited by Avlaen, 24 October 2018 - 01:12 PM.

[dr3dnought]

Avlaen, on 24 October 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

Mediums and heavys dont have the DPS of a piranha...

LOL