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[Armored Yokai]

25 Tons
ECM
Jumpjets
Possible 4 AMS variant

With LRMs being dominant and a 25 tonner with ecm and jumpjets makes for a perfect candidate as a new light.

Give it 4 AMS because I.S needs a 4 AMS mech to help with Quad ALRM20 NooberNovas.


Or just give us the Hermes or Koto and give clan the Dasher by flipping the lynx arms above it and giving it mobility quirks to make it have faster torso twist than a locust and give it a 174 kph speed cap (commando used to have 174 kph)

[Battlemaster56]

4 ams light not even worth bringing when one or two is enough to shoot down most lrms, and I tried the 4 ams piranha I gave up too much firepower juat to run the ams.

But the Nexus itself is good enough to bring in the game while being a viable pick.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Lights aren't the ones that need AMS. They can move into cover faster.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

An IS light would not be the best choice for a quad AMS platform. A 25-tonner is likely to get a sub-250 engine cap, so it'd be spending slots on one or more DHS, plus 2 slots and 1.5t each for AMS+ ammo or LAMS, 14 slots each for Endo and Ferro... here's a mock-up with 225XL and quad "AMS" (1/2 Gauss ammo), and with 200XL. It's just not going to produce a useful 'Mech; you have too few slots and too little tonnage left for actual weapons, and you're going to be dead weight.

The Piranha A can only get away with quad AMS because it can leverage Clantech to make up for all the tonnage and slots the AMS eats up, and can save even more by taking one or more LAMS (since they're 1t/1s instead of 1.5t/2s for the IS version). An AMS boat PIR can still pack a 20+ point alpha into the ~2t it has left over; an IS light 'Mech simply can't do that. It's still pretty weak compared to the AMS Kitfox or Nova, because both of those can still carry a respectable weapon load on top of the defensive hardware.

If PGI gives anything IS the ability to mount 3 or 4 AMS, it needs to be at least a medium.

Edited by WrathOfDeadguy, 31 October 2018 - 06:18 AM.

[El Bandito]

If I want a 3-4 AMS IS mech, I want it to be a Heavy/Assault class mech.

[TheArisen]

The Nexus would be a great Light mech absolutely.

It comes with a 170 stock instead of the 150 the Commando has stock so it's be faster unless PGI reduced the regular engine formula. It'd basically be a better Death's Knell but for cbills.

[TheArisen]

Another thing is the Nexus was developed from the Jackrabbit which could be used to give it mg boating ability.
http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Nexus

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Jackrabbit

[Jables McBarty]

WrathOfDeadguy, on 31 October 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

An IS light would not be the best choice for a quad AMS platform. A 25-tonner is likely to get a sub-250 engine cap, so it'd be spending slots on one or more DHS, plus 2 slots and 1.5t each for AMS+ ammo or LAMS, 14 slots each for Endo and Ferro... here's a mock-up with 225XL and quad "AMS" (1/2 Gauss ammo), and with 200XL. It's just not going to produce a useful 'Mech; you have too few slots and too little tonnage left for actual weapons, and you're going to be dead weight.

The Piranha A can only get away with quad AMS because it can leverage Clantech to make up for all the tonnage and slots the AMS eats up, and can save even more by taking one or more LAMS (since they're 1t/1s instead of 1.5t/2s for the IS version). An AMS boat PIR can still pack a 20+ point alpha into the ~2t it has left over; an IS light 'Mech simply can't do that. It's still pretty weak compared to the AMS Kitfox or Nova, because both of those can still carry a respectable weapon load on top of the defensive hardware.

If PGI gives anything IS the ability to mount 3 or 4 AMS, it needs to be at least a medium.

I think you're exaggerating a bit - you can run 4AMS with 3 tons (EDIT: of ammo - see build), and dubs aren't really necessary if you're only bringing 4ERSL anyway.

(BAP simulates an ECM)

XL225 (SHS, ECM, 3AMS, 4ERSL) https://mwo.smurfy-n...bee8616e4ab90aa

XL200 (DHS, ECM, 4AMS,4ERSL) https://mwo.smurfy-n...9dc1a024369b21a

I don't use all the HPs on the XL225, but then you don't need to use all the HPs on any mech.

IS doesn't have a pure-support light like the Kitfox. While the Nexus has less tonnage and therefore can bring less armament, the support Kitfox doesn't post huge damage numbers either.

Edited by Jables McBarty, 01 November 2018 - 09:32 AM.

[JediPanther]

Someone died to de lrms again.The IS need a better light than an ams junker. I can run two ams on my lct. It doesn't need them since it can easily run to cover. My 65t Jester has 2 ams. It does great with just one equipped but I like using both. Let the noobs die to lrm and learn how to counter it like we older players did back when there was no ECM or the 40 other counters on the list. Google lrm counters for the thread I posted all the counters to lrm both hard and soft.

i'd pay for the stinger/wasp lams. others want a raptor or other light. How about instead of a new light mech pgi spend a month making all those 35 ton mech queens viable again? Shink them back to their original size and rescale be damed back to hell. that instantly makes 10-15 light mech variants viable for use.

[TheArisen]

JediPanther, on 31 October 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

Someone died to de lrms again.The IS need a better light than an ams junker. I can run two ams on my lct. It doesn't need them since it can easily run to cover. My 65t Jester has 2 ams. It does great with just one equipped but I like using both. Let the noobs die to lrm and learn how to counter it like we older players did back when there was no ECM or the 40 other counters on the list. Google lrm counters for the thread I posted all the counters to lrm both hard and soft.

i'd pay for the stinger/wasp lams. others want a raptor or other light. How about instead of a new light mech pgi spend a month making all those 35 ton mech queens viable again? Shink them back to their original size and rescale be damed back to hell. that instantly makes 10-15 light mech variants viable for use.

Nexus would be a great laser boat 25 tonner. Just look at it's hps. It's one of the most powerful IS 25 tonners we could get.

Armored Yokai, on 31 October 2018 - 03:12 AM, said:

25 Tons
ECM
Jumpjets
Possible 4 AMS variant

With LRMs being dominant and a 25 tonner with ecm and jumpjets makes for a perfect candidate as a new light.

Give it 4 AMS because I.S needs a 4 AMS mech to help with Quad ALRM20 NooberNovas.


Or just give us the Hermes or Koto and give clan the Dasher by flipping the lynx arms above it and giving it mobility quirks to make it have faster torso twist than a locust and give it a 174 kph speed cap (commando used to have 174 kph)

Your OP focuses too much on the gimmick of having 4 ams. It'd be better to talk about it's actual fighting prowess.

[Spheroid]

Quad AMS is a joke, be it Clan or I.S. The effectiveness of an AMS is not simply the raw number of them but quirks like range or RoF. The Kit Fox-C edges out the Nova for this reason.

If you want an AMS mech based in canon perhaps petition for the 45 ton Komodo and add an additional AMS hardpoint. The problem with the Komodo is the invalid variants but I suppose you could replace the C3 master or slave with a TC1 and TC5 to make them legal.

Edited by Spheroid, 31 October 2018 - 09:43 AM.

[Captain Polux]

I know you said IS, but the next light should be the Fire Moth

[C E Dwyer]

next light should be Wasp/stinger

[FLG 01]

It's jump capable and can have a lot of lasers. The AMS is a nice gimmick but not essential.
I actually think the most interesting aspect is that it can be paired with the Jackrabbit. Not that the Jackrabbit is particularly strong but it is still a nice option for the reinforcements or a hero. And I like the looks:

[Jay Leon Hart]

Spheroid, on 31 October 2018 - 09:12 AM, said:

If you want an AMS mech based in canon perhaps petition for the 45 ton Komodo and add an additional AMS hardpoint. The problem with the Komodo is the invalid variants but I suppose you could replace the C3 master or slave with a TC1 and TC5 to make them legal.

Yes. Yes please

[InvictusLee]

My question is; What makes it special? Phiranna can already do 4 ams and its still garbage. Hilarious, but still garbage.

Give me a specter or ghost instead with true invisibility features and ill sing your praises.

[TheArisen]

November11th, on 31 October 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

My question is; What makes it special? Phiranna can already do 4 ams and its still garbage. Hilarious, but still garbage.

Give me a specter or ghost instead with true invisibility features and ill sing your praises.

What it really brings is an IS 25 tonner with jj, plenty of energy hps, ecm variant, etc for cbills. Plus the fish is clan so this is an IS option.

[InvictusLee]

Honestly if faction loyalist were not a thing, it wouldnt matter. At this point, i dont really think it does.

Wasnt the Osiris supposed to be the IS side's Hail Mary anyway?

[LT. HARDCASE]

People are obsessed with playing "me too" with the Clans at equivalent weight, when the Clans have advantages that will make the IS mech objectively inferior at trying to parrot whatever the Clan mech is doing way better.

What I'm saying is, IS people should be asking for medium mechs that boat machine guns and AMS, not lights. That's the only way you will boat those things while not also being trash.

[FLG 01]

November11th, on 31 October 2018 - 05:25 PM, said:

Wasnt the Osiris supposed to be the IS side's Hail Mary anyway?

The Osiris was wanted by the same people who wanted Thanatos, Uziel, Hellspawn... you get the idea. It was never going to be more than an average Mech, and it became redundant the day it was released.

Being a jump capable 25t energy boat the Nexus fills a niche and could be nice, though I prefer the Brigand for that role.