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[Imperius]

Thorn Hallis, on 26 November 2018 - 02:40 AM, said:

I don't know, an ( unannounced ) early access to MW5 isn't that unlikley - and would make sense from a PGI marketing viewpoint. It would tell us players to never miss a pre-order anymore. I can actually see that happen.

No I’d still not buy anymore mech packs. MWO is dead to me unless the engine gets an update. I’m hoping for Russ’ sake this little stunt is worth it. Otherwise I won’t be mincing my words to him in person at the 3rd MechCon and would be my last if this ends up something disappointing.

I mean it was supposed to mw5’s launch party but instead it turned into... just another MechCon.

[MrMilkshake]

"Russ makes an interesting tweet"

Well, I supose it had to happen at some point.
But honestly, If you get taken in by this you deserve whats left of MWO.
The game is dead, Let it rest. The sooner PGI takes a step away from MW the better it will be for us all.

[Peter2k]

Thorn Hallis, on 26 November 2018 - 02:40 AM, said:

I don't know, an ( unannounced ) early access to MW5 isn't that unlikley - and would make sense from a PGI marketing viewpoint. It would tell us players to never miss a pre-order anymore. I can actually see that happen.

Probably, still would not be a big enough carrot to dump money into MWO.
I don't think there are so many "pie in sky" players left anymore.

How are those "fast" changes to FP coming along? its been 4 months, fast my

Dee Eight, on 25 November 2018 - 03:23 AM, said:

Not true. I played and modified the Uziels.. judged them utter crap even modified, and told CS such. They refunded my uziels, removed them from my account, and that was it. I wouldn't have one in my account now had they not given away that "champion" one as an event prize a few months ago.

Well Support has been usually rather forthcoming.

If one is respectful and can make a good case I'm sure they would refund some stuff, especially if its under par

Of course if one is just spewing with venom, well once its "delivered" it cant be refunded, at least that is what is says when purchasing/redeeming me thinks

crazytimes, on 24 November 2018 - 07:37 PM, said:

But... it might be several limited edition cockpit hanging items!

It took me a number of supply caches and events to realise just how utterly worthless they are. At least warhorns make funny sounds, but hanging items obstruct a small portion of your screen in return for.... nothing. Every time I get a rare cache with an artemis C-SSRM2, event decal from 2013 and a 'rare' hanging item of some sort I can barely obtain my excitement at the prospect of yet another one to add to my collection.

well if you could sell them for a small portion of MC at least, maybe I could tidy up my garbage bin better

Edited by Peter2k, 26 November 2018 - 06:17 AM.

[Curccu]

MrMilkshake, on 26 November 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

"Russ makes an interesting tweet"

Well, I supose it had to happen at some point.
But honestly, If you get taken in by this you deserve whats left of MWO.
The game is dead, Let it rest. The sooner PGI takes a step away from MW the better it will be for us all.

How is it better? Are there new awesome devs waiting to get the licence to produce mechwarrior games (which is leased to PGI for multiple years if I don't remember wrong?)

PS. I still don't understand these "I have quit this game 2 Years ago but still have some some twisted reason to come MWO forums often just to QQ how sh*t and dead this game is and noone should play it". I mean if you never want to play any PGI made game again then just f*** off and so on.

[Peter2k]

Curccu, on 26 November 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

How is it better? Are there new awesome devs waiting to get the licence to produce mechwarrior games (which is leased to PGI for multiple years if I don't remember wrong?)

PS. I still don't understand these "I have quit this game 2 Years ago but still have some some twisted reason to come MWO forums often just to QQ how sh*t and dead this game is and noone should play it". I mean if you never want to play any PGI made game again then just f*** off and so on.

Frankly if MW5 tanks and MWO will receive all the "love" it has seen this year then the license runs out just in time so to speak, mid 2020

That's only 18 months, in PGI speak, that's 2 to 3 maps away

Edited by Peter2k, 26 November 2018 - 06:23 AM.

[MrMilkshake]

Curccu, on 26 November 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

How is it better? Are there new awesome devs waiting to get the licence to produce mechwarrior games (which is leased to PGI for multiple years if I don't remember wrong?)

PS. I still don't understand these "I have quit this game 2 Years ago but still have some some twisted reason to come MWO forums often just to QQ how sh*t and dead this game is and noone should play it". I mean if you never want to play any PGI made game again then just f*** off and so on.

First off, I still play. This was my favorite game for years. My opinion is a valid as your own. So F*** You, and so on.

Now that thats out of the way, Let me tell you how buisness works. Money is good. I like money, you like money, but more importantly, Companys like money. Consider for a second all the whales over the years who have kept this game alive with mech packs and golden phalluses. It has survived as long as it has because the player base has/had plenty of disposable cash.

If you think that this goes un noticed to other game companys then think again. With the recent succsess of Battletech plus those tasty MWO whales, It would be unrealistic to think that if PGI were to step aside another company wouldnt step up and take a shot at it.

This, of course is opinion on my part. But then thats what the forums are for are they not?
The alternative is to watch a once great game die on its arse, And leave the remaning and past player base with a bad taste in the mouth.

[LordNothing]

MechaBattler, on 25 November 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:

It's not like you donated money. You bought digital goods. They don't owe you anything. Plus it's a really bad business strategy to offer a discount to the people most likely to buy your game anyway. But it wouldn't be unreasonable to hope for some kind of bonus items for buying MWO mechs.

the pretense of the f2p model is that you can buy stuff and that money goes to future developments. but then you look at how lethargic development has been vs how much you have spent and realized that its not worth it. it makes one consider that the f2p model isnt all its cracked up to be. maybe i decide that f2p is a big ripoff and stop taking the bait. which hurts pgi's future business should they want to release another f2p title (say mwo2). its bad for business in the long term.

also i see this stunt as mostly a way to recover from a mech pack which everyone wanted and then was disappointed by the hardpoints when it finally came out (another vomit mech). so you make a vague tweet about an extra bonus to get people to pony up. this bonus could be anything from a worthless knick knack to something more disruptive like a new weapon. i certainly dont want to play the mech pack lottery. might be a good short term strategy but it has long term consequences.

i tell you what if pgi wants me to buy a mechpack then show development of the game. last pack i bought was the annihilator, which i wouldn't have bought if not for the newtech. this shows willingness to develop which makes the f2p model look like a good deal again. but im not blowing $20 on a shell game.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Armored Yokai, on 24 November 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

Rifleman IIC?????

If he threw in a Rifleman IIC I would preorder this mech immediately.

[Koniving]

Vxheous, on 24 November 2018 - 10:24 PM, said:

Not true, you can get a refund for mechs delivered as well, as long as you haven't played them or modified them in any way.

In more recent ones I think you're correct.
Q: Am I able to get a refund for my Collection if necessary?
Refunds are granted without issue in cases where none of the Collection content has yet been delivered. If your Collection content has been partially or fully delivered prior to the refund request, particularly in cases where some or all of that content has been consumed or used since its delivery, refund eligibility is not guaranteed and must first be evaluated and approved by Support services.

Seems to be the case for all single mech collections. The term refund on the big collections, however, isn't even searchable or mentioned and I do recall some big issues back then (as most didn't ask for refunds until after they came out, which is generally the most logical time to ask for one. Try it, don't like it bring it back. Not every mech is going to fit every playstyle.)

[Joshua McEvedy]

Funzo, on 24 November 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

https://twitter.com/...106742356959232

"Warhammer IIC Early Adopters Countdown! 7 days left! This Mech is so hot right now! Don't miss out on this extra content. If you don't buy it now you will wish you did after Mech_Con... Shhh I can't tell you why. "

Spoken like the sleaziest of used car salesmen...

Edited by Joshua McEvedy, 26 November 2018 - 11:06 AM.

[MechaBattler]

LordNothing, on 26 November 2018 - 07:25 AM, said:

the pretense of the f2p model is that you can buy stuff and that money goes to future developments. but then you look at how lethargic development has been vs how much you have spent and realized that its not worth it. it makes one consider that the f2p model isnt all its cracked up to be. maybe i decide that f2p is a big ripoff and stop taking the bait. which hurts pgi's future business should they want to release another f2p title (say mwo2). its bad for business in the long term.

also i see this stunt as mostly a way to recover from a mech pack which everyone wanted and then was disappointed by the hardpoints when it finally came out (another vomit mech). so you make a vague tweet about an extra bonus to get people to pony up. this bonus could be anything from a worthless knick knack to something more disruptive like a new weapon. i certainly dont want to play the mech pack lottery. might be a good short term strategy but it has long term consequences.

i tell you what if pgi wants me to buy a mechpack then show development of the game. last pack i bought was the annihilator, which i wouldn't have bought if not for the newtech. this shows willingness to develop which makes the f2p model look like a good deal again. but im not blowing $20 on a shell game.

Stagnation in the F2P genre is pretty rampant. Unless what you're selling is the content itself. A lot of them put minimalist effort and focus on cash shop goods.

I swear Russ just opens mouth and inserts foot sometimes. It's like he forgets how literal and critical the community can be. It really doesn't make sense to have a 'hidden' pre-order bonus. I hope whatever is, it's something you can get without pre-order Because people are going to be pissed otherwise. Or disappointed if they pre-ordered and got something stupid.

[Dread Render]

thievingmagpi, on 24 November 2018 - 09:47 PM, said:

cool, I look forward to it. I like things

I like things to...
I also like Stuff.

[Mole]

No. Bad Russ.

[CanadianCyrus]

Joshua McEvedy, on 26 November 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

Spoken like the sleaziest of used car salesmen...

I heard Jon Voight used to own those Warhammer IICs

[Dee Eight]

MrMilkshake, on 26 November 2018 - 05:46 AM, said:

"Russ makes an interesting tweet"

Well, I supose it had to happen at some point.
But honestly, If you get taken in by this you deserve whats left of MWO.
The game is dead, Let it rest. The sooner PGI takes a step away from MW the better it will be for us all.

You do realize if the servers shut down all your virtual content vanishes right ? Its not as if some other developer wants to take over for a niche game that never appealed to that many players even in the beginning.

[Khobai]

Dee Eight, on 26 November 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

You do realize if the servers shut down all your virtual content vanishes right ? Its not as if some other developer wants to take over for a niche game that never appealed to that many players even in the beginning.

yeah but the server is going to shut down eventually either way

the only difference between buying mechpacks and not buying mechpacks is how long until it shuts down and how much money is still in your pocket when it shuts down

If PGI isnt going to invest anything considerable in improving the game I see no reason to keep it alive on life support. Just pull the plug.

Edited by Khobai, 26 November 2018 - 05:26 PM.

[JediPanther]

Dee Eight, on 26 November 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

You do realize if the servers shut down all your virtual content vanishes right ? Its not as if some other developer wants to take over for a niche game that never appealed to that many players even in the beginning.

Not if you like to keep the legal content you paid for. I have a copy of the game data on an external hard drive for just this reason. There's also that sub forum on how to use the mechs in other .programs for fan creations.

The transition to cloud and game-as-$ervice is a real pita for those of us who use to buy games on physical media, got use to baking copies for back up or 'in-case' lost,trading games with real friends and so on.

[Xeno Phalcon]

All I could think of is

[Dee Eight]

The game data on your computer isn't enough to run matches. We lack the source code and game engine compilers to properly re-code the game without a major effort. I still have source code someplace for massive programs with tens of thousands of lines of code which I wrote for the government 20 years ago, but without an older computer and the proper compilers to assemble it into a functional executable, fat lot of good that does me.

[JediPanther]

Dee Eight, on 26 November 2018 - 07:31 PM, said:

The game data on your computer isn't enough to run matches. We lack the source code and game engine compilers to properly re-code the game without a major effort. I still have source code someplace for massive programs with tens of thousands of lines of code which I wrote for the government 20 years ago, but without an older computer and the proper compilers to assemble it into a functional executable, fat lot of good that does me.

I'm not looking to 'play' mwo off the game data I have saved. I only keep it to have access to the mech data that I paid for with a credit card. How I use the data is up to me and being a college trained artist myself I know quite a bit about the hassles and troubles of claiming art as your own and trying to pass that off.

With unreal,other free engines and various 3d modeling-animation programs out there on the net I'm really just wanting to have the mechs for fan art creation reasons and for nostalgia. I doubt you'll find many people trying to pose as 3d modelers using pgi mwo assets doing poorly done photoshop hack jobs in a portfolio to any company that does dig into background and past work of applicants.

i might not have put a lot of money into pokemech but I have put in years of my time playing mwo and you know that old cliche saying about time is money.