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[Alastor The Radio Demon]

Spheroid, on 16 December 2018 - 03:54 PM, said:

Have you tried the new stealth armor? Its rather amazing for a moderate amount of heat. Complete lurm lock immunity absent being NARCed.

Stealth armor doesn't work, I've had my spider lurmed to death even with stealth armor up, been lurmed to death even behind cover with stealth armor up all this with 100% rad dep too.

[Vellron2005]

Jaeger Hunter, on 16 December 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

I may just be a salty kinda fellow, but is there anyone else out there that feels like the LRM mechanic of the game needs some serious re-work to reduce the DPS. I doubt anyone enjoy's being lurmed to death by an enemy they can not see and I somehow can not seem to find that segment of the game enjoyable to even be on the delivering end of. AND before the trolls start with AMS/ stay near cover/ do better, I seriously doubt I am the only one that finds the need to hide behind a wall for the majority of the match with no way to return fire enjoyable.


A simple suggestion? Drastically increase the heat for lurms, reduce the volleys and increase the fun.

So you don't like the DPS nature of LRMs? And tell me.. do you mind AC2 spam?

Cose' It's the same thing.. somebody peppers you with annoying little amounts of damage from half a map away, and if you ignore it, it can become deadly.

Yet AC2 spam is somehow ok, and LRM spam, which has 10+ hard counters, is not..

And don't tell me it's cose' with AC2 spam you have to expose yourself.. you do, but when you're 900+ meters away, it isn't all that dangerous is it?

LRMs is one of the few things in this game that makes a difference between a realistic future battlefield and rock em' - sock em' robots..

I'm sorry if some people can't handle the concept of artillery. I'm sure a frontline soldier armed with an M16 also thinks howitzers and tomahawks are OP and need nerfs..

I suggest you try World Robot Boxing for mobile.. maybe it would suit your playstyle better.

Edited by Vellron2005, 17 December 2018 - 05:34 AM.

[Sjorpha]

LRMs are fine, just stop complaining.

[thievingmagpi]

Vellron2005, on 17 December 2018 - 05:32 AM, said:

So you don't like the DPS nature of LRMs? And tell me.. do you mind AC2 spam?

Cose' It's the same thing.. somebody peppers you with annoying little amounts of damage from half a map away, and if you ignore it, it can become deadly.

Yet AC2 spam is somehow ok, and LRM spam, which has 10+ hard counters, is not..

And don't tell me it's cose' with AC2 spam you have to expose yourself.. you do, but when you're 900+ meters away, it isn't all that dangerous is it?

LRMs is one of the few things in this game that makes a difference between a realistic future battlefield and rock em' - sock em' robots..

I'm sorry if some people can't handle the concept of artillery. I'm sure a frontline soldier armed with an M16 also thinks howitzers and tomahawks are OP and need nerfs..

I suggest you try World Robot Boxing for mobile.. maybe it would suit your playstyle better.

Ac2s require you to:

1) expose yourself

2) see the enemy

3) aim, lead etc


Lrms require none of that.

Punishing skilled players for being skilled by equalizing the skill floor is a ******** mechanic.

[Novakaine]

thievingmagpi, on 17 December 2018 - 08:46 AM, said:

Ac2s require you to:

1) expose yourself

2) see the enemy

3) aim, lead etc


Lrms require none of that.

Punishing skilled players for being skilled by equalizing the skill floor is a ******** mechanic.

1. Learn to dodge.
2. Learn not to over expose one's self.
3. Learn how not to be a target.
4. Nuff said.

[LordBraxton]

If anything needs to be nerfed it's still lasers

[Spheroid]

Terezi Pyrope, on 17 December 2018 - 04:41 AM, said:

Stealth armor doesn't work, I've had my spider lurmed to death even with stealth armor up, been lurmed to death even behind cover with stealth armor up all this with 100% rad dep too.

That is simply not correct. I have exhaustively tested stealth under controlled conditions with friends inside a private lobby. I didn't post without doing the necessary research.

Perhaps you are observing the effect of attempting to break lock utilizing stealth, which it doesn't do. I made the claim that it prevents lock. TAG, UAV and direct LoS in are completely incapable of generating a lock while cloaked.

I have been running my Stalker-3Fb constantly in the open for a week and never been rained. Locks only come in immediate aftermath of a PPC hit. Also remember that following a PPC hit stealth must be turned back on, it is not a temporary failure like standard ECM. Perhaps this is a source of confusion for some. Stealth is functioning as intended.

[thievingmagpi]

Novakaine, on 17 December 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

1. Learn to dodge.
2. Learn not to over expose one's self.
3. Learn how not to be a target.
4. Nuff said.

1) Dodging does not negate LRMs. It hasn't in a long time. RNG > skill = bad for gameplay, but it's good for pugs who can't aim or torso twist or really do much of anything.

2) irrelevant. lrms do not require you to see your target.

3) ^

4) I always find it funny that it's people below 70th percentile defending LRMs. nuff said.

[Kroete]

thievingmagpi, on 17 December 2018 - 09:36 AM, said:

4) I always find it funny that it's people below 70th percentile defending LRMs. nuff said.

Isnt it more funny, if someone talks about skill,
but is not much more better then a disabled and mostly drugged player?
(And if you play groupplay and get inflatred stats from there ....)

PS:
I am defending lrms (at least until all the direct nerfs and indirect buffs) too.

Edited by Kroete, 17 December 2018 - 09:50 AM.

[MisterSomaru]

OHHHH BOY!!!!!
I don't even know where to start.
1. Direct fire requires skill to be effective with it, (i.e. leading, hittting correct components, etc.)
2. You're rewarded for using direct fire, non lock on weapons far more than spraying lock on crap everywhere since you can tell it where to go.
3. LRM apologists aren't taken seriously by anyone with a modicum of braincells
4. LRMs chase away new players far more quickly than good aim due to how inherently broken their method of operation is.
5. LRMs are a low skill option for artificially inflating damage scores which leads to people rising to tiers they have no business being in when they can't even land an ac20 shell on an atlas
6. Vast majority of lrm players are leeches, do not share armor, leech off of locks, and generally suck up tonnage that could be used by something more useful. (actually had someone attempt to TK one of my group mates because he refused to hold locks, fun story, he couldn't because he couldn't aim his paltry direct fire complement against him and subsequently got obliterated)

TL:DR, LRMs are a poorly implemented weapons system that rewards braindead gameplay, leeching, and teaches poor habits.

Granted, it's only one of the few issues with the playerbase.

Edited by MrSomaru, 17 December 2018 - 10:53 AM.

[justcallme A S H]

Vellron2005, on 17 December 2018 - 05:32 AM, said:

So you don't like the DPS nature of LRMs? And tell me.. do you mind AC2 spam?

Cose' It's the same thing..

It is absolutely not.

And if you cannot understand the difference...

Well...

[The pessimistic optimist]

Oh these guys are back. If you guys are having that must trouble with LRM you suck or are just bitching because yea don't like the weapon. There not hard to beat if your ready for them or not half a brain dead. Also LRM are only really dangerous with team support OH NO a weapon that works best with team work thats bad.

Edited by SirSmokes, 17 December 2018 - 11:07 AM.

[HammerMaster]

Nice.
Back to stat shaming tough guys.
Classic.

[thievingmagpi]

SirSmokes, on 17 December 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

Oh these guys are back. If you guys are having that must trouble with LRM you suck or are just bitching because yea don't like the weapon. There not hard to beat if your ready for them or not half a brain dead. Also LRM are only really dangerous with team support OH NO a weapon that works best with team work thats bad.

the irony here...

[The pessimistic optimist]

thievingmagpi, on 17 December 2018 - 11:08 AM, said:

the irony here...

Yea I know you guy think your so good but yea whine about A weapon that's easy to beat I know THE IRONY...

[thievingmagpi]

SirSmokes, on 17 December 2018 - 11:12 AM, said:

Yea I know you guy think your so good but yea whine about A weapon that's easy to beat I know THE IRONY...

[The pessimistic optimist]

thievingmagpi, on 17 December 2018 - 11:15 AM, said:

Oh no a missile look out.

Edited by SirSmokes, 17 December 2018 - 11:24 AM.

[Grus]

My 4lrm15 scorch will feast on your salty lurm tears... and when youre battered and brused, fed up, and angry.. you bee line for where the foul purveyor of indirect fire is comming from.. then, suddenly, as you crest the hill to vanquish the filth... 2lbx20's starring up at you, show you the error of your decision.

Edited by Grus, 17 December 2018 - 11:41 AM.

[thievingmagpi]

aiming is hard

[The pessimistic optimist]

thievingmagpi, on 17 December 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

aiming is hard

I know I have my DPI really low for that don't really use LRM all that much but I will use them. I like lasers and guass myself but hey whatever I will leave it to the try hard to complain about LRMs.