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[Wil McCullough]

LTC Kilgore, on 06 January 2019 - 09:14 AM, said:

Hammer is absolutely correct though. Ash, through laziness or ego, admits he didn't even read the OP, others have criticized not what the Op says, but his stats (that includes you too). The level of arrogance in this thread is astounding

I don't see any elitism actually. I however see someone who knows where they stand and a lot of people who don't.

Would you be interested in hearing what tips a butcher has to give about brain surgery? Why not? Both cut meat.

The thing is - for all the advice OP is giving, he has below average stats. Which either means a) he is not following his own advice or his advice doesn't work.

He is definitely allowed to have an opinion, but others are also allowed to state their opinions - that his opinion is unqualified.

[HammerMaster]

TheBossOfYou, on 05 January 2019 - 08:13 PM, said:

Ash is right though. I typically ignore people like you and OP when told "you gotta do it this way to win". Nothing you or OP say matters one bit to me, because you cannot even carry yourself. When you talk, all I hear are selfish calls and BS.

Fail to see where I engaged in negative behavior that you would ignore.
No selfish calls or making bs or "you gotta" I'm aware.

Edited by HammerMaster, 07 January 2019 - 04:17 AM.

[General Solo]

I would ignore him, Check his stats, worse than zero
Hes not qualified

https://leaderboard....?u=TheBossOfYou

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 07 January 2019 - 05:39 AM.

[HammerMaster]

OZHomerOZ, on 07 January 2019 - 05:37 AM, said:

I would ignore him, Check his stats, worse than zero
Hes not qualified

https://leaderboard....?u=TheBossOfYou

Griefer Alt.
Typical

[mad kat]

I just had a match on crimson straight where most of the team just sat at the tunnel exit and got obliterated one by one. A couple of mechs went to cap their base and when we were Max two seconds off winning an enemy turns up what do they do both run of the base.

All they had to do was stand there for two more seconds and their k/d ratio would of been preserved and we'd of won.

Sadly inept players like this seem to be a fair chunk of the player base now (yeah touchy whining I know but it's true). And PGI's incompetence has been surpassed by many of the players. So much so that the laughable excuse for a match maker if there ever was one since the psr introduction really can't do a thing. See for yourself on Yarls list a lot of the experienced players have quit.

Short of the game having a total player reset there isn't much that can be done.

Edited by mad kat, 07 January 2019 - 03:05 PM.

[Kaeb Odellas]

mad kat, on 07 January 2019 - 02:58 PM, said:

I just had a match on crimson straight where most of the team just sat at the tunnel exit and got obliterated one by one. A couple of mechs went to cap their base and when we were Max two seconds off winning an enemy turns up what do they do both run of the base.

All they had to do was stand there for two more seconds and their k/d ratio would of been preserved and we'd of won.

Sadly morons like this seem to be a fair chunk of the player base now (yeah touchy whining I know but it's true). And PGI's incompetence had been surpassed by many of the players.

Short of the game having a total player reset there isn't much that can be done.

It's not quite that simple. All the enemy has to do is scratch your paint to disrupt the cap process. It's impossible to cap when an enemy is present and shooting you.

This is why base caps in Assault should only be done to distract the enemy or end a match when the last guy is hiding.

[Lykaon]

OZHomerOZ, on 04 January 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

TOTALLY WRONG - NASCAR IS:
Sacrificing your random very possibly not very skilled teammates FOR THE WIN

How is that selfish.

Winners get paid more CB, even the sacrificial winners. Mechs for the Mech Guid

Random Dead Opinion

NASCAR in MWo is quite simply one team pushing hard to the enemy team's trailing mechs while the pushed team runs in a slightly lower than panicked state to avoid getting over run And accidently finds the pushing team's trailing mechs and shoot back instead of running.

It's not a grand tactic since it is resolved mostly by accidental success over any actual tactical choice.

A typical NASCAR is pretty much decided by what team has what builds and if those builds are fast or slow. In essence the matchmaker has the most influence on NASCAR victories.

Now if say we instead of the NASCAR (running at or away from enemy contact) we opted to actually use a real tactic.

Assaults and slower heavies provide an anchor point. They form a firing line along the likely approach vector of the enemy team. This will be an unexpected event since the enemy expects their targets to chasing their tail as they were chasing theirs and certainly not arrayed in a well ordered firing line.

The NASCARing enemy team will probably take pause and seek cover slowing the advance and causing the mechs in the rear of their formation to begin to press into the rear of the advanced mechs basically a disordered clump should form.

Now that your slow mechs are actually shooting the bad guys and not running away your team's swifter mechs travel along the quickest route of advance to reach the enemy team's rear/outer flank.

Now you enemy is being fired upon from two directions and standing in terrain your team has chosen (because your team get's to form the firing line)

It's now not about luck or what team has what builds or how fast the over all team composition is the match maker is no longer the primary influence on who wins it's now if the plan is executed well.

Edited by Lykaon, 07 January 2019 - 03:47 PM.

[TheBossOfYou]

OZHomerOZ, on 07 January 2019 - 05:37 AM, said:

I would ignore him, Check his stats, worse than zero
Hes not qualified

https://leaderboard....?u=TheBossOfYou

<shrug> LoL

I seen you in game. How does that click with null stats?

Not a griefer alt. There is a much better explanation. Maybe you can figure it out, but I'm not going to hold my breath, because I need to breathe at least 3 times this year.

[cougurt]

Source Mystic, on 08 January 2019 - 01:23 AM, said:

Acualy there are several reasons why my Rank is so low .... my rig for three years had no graphics card . So my preformance in game suffered I also focused on playing lights which because performance issues was problematic at best. If it was up to me I would reset my stats to 0 and my rank would climb quickly. But I kind of like my $HIT stats for two reasons one they are not representative my curent skill level or understanding of mwo. In that people like you underestimate me. Two they highlight people like you that point them out to devalue valid facts and post.

your performance remains consistent all the way up to the most recent leaderboard season, so i'm not sure i buy that excuse.

[justcallme A S H]

Source Mystic, on 08 January 2019 - 01:23 AM, said:

But I kind of like my $HIT stats for two reasons one they are not representative my curent skill level or understanding of mwo. In that people like you underestimate me.

Given that statement I semi-read you first post.

And now I am

[HammerMaster]

Not hearing any solutions for the op.
Just more digs at other posters and peen puffing.

[General Solo]

TheBossOfYou, on 07 January 2019 - 06:49 PM, said:

Garbage
Rubbish
Moar garbage

So what are you saying?

Whats your point or contribution to the topic?

Fascinating

Jarls may not have your stats but Quick play leader board does.

If you seen me in game , match maker must really be non functional

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 08 January 2019 - 05:26 AM.

[Sjorpha]

Source Mystic, on 08 January 2019 - 01:23 AM, said:

Acualy there are several reasons why my Rank is so low .... my rig for three years had no graphics card . So my preformance in game suffered I also focused on playing lights which because performance issues was problematic at best. If it was up to me I would reset my stats to 0 and my rank would climb quickly. But I kind of like my $HIT stats for two reasons one they are not representative my curent skill level or understanding of mwo. In that people like you underestimate me. Two they highlight people like you that point them out to devalue valid facts and post.

Your performance haven't improved over time so either your computer still can't run the game well or it wasn't the reason for your bad performance in the first place.

It also doesn't matter what the reason is, even if it is a technical limitation or otherwise beyond your control. Producing good results is what it means to be good at something. If you can't produce good results you're not good at it. If you're not good at it you should not lecture others on the subject, or at least be ready for the ridicule you're inviting by doing so.

You can't expect people to believe you're awesome at, say, alpine skiing and that your advice on skiing should be followed, but there just never was any snow where you live. It may be true, but you don't get to claim it until you've accessed snow and proven produced a track record that backs your claim.

This is just how the world works, if your track record indicates you should be taking advice rather than giving it, then that is probably what you should do unless your ok with this track record being pointed out and some people considering it a reason not to listen.

If you think I'm underestimating you I'd be happy to play against you. In which case I promise to play as well as I can, to be honest about the results, and to document the event.

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I understand that you are insecure and that such behavior comes from a deep seeded inadequacy that remains in your subconscious. It is a symptom that someone hurt you in the past and you were bullied. And instead of facing that and resolving those feelings you now just imitate them. It is kind of sad realy. If I were you I stop playing mwo for a few months and look at your innerspychology and how to resolve the hurt you carry inside.

Let's not use personal attacks and such when discussing the game, whether passively or actively aggressive they don't add anything of relevance and can sometimes cause harm.

There is no malice on my part here, except the above post feels unfair, uncalled for, and makes me a little angry.

Edited by Sjorpha, 08 January 2019 - 07:29 AM.

[HammerMaster]

Sjorpha, on 08 January 2019 - 05:42 AM, said:

Your performance haven't improved over time so either your computer still can't run the game well or it wasn't the reason.

It also doesn't matter what the reason is, even if it is a technical limitation, producing good results is what it means to be good at something.

You can't expect people to believe you're awesome at, say, alpine skiing and that your advice on skiing should be followed, but there just never was any snow where you live. It may be true, but you don't get to claim it until you've accessed snow and proven produced a track record that backs your claim.

This is just how the world works, if your track record indicates you should be taking advice rather than giving it, then that is probably what you should do unless your ok with this track record being pointed out and some people considering it a reason not to listen.

If you think I'm underestimating you I'd be happy to play with or against you, in which case I promise not to hold back and to be honest about the result.



Let's not use personal attacks and such when discussing the game, whether passively or actively aggressive they don't add anything of relevance and can sometimes cause harm.

There is no malice on my part here, except the above post feels unfair, uncalled for, and makes me a little angry.

Did you see the other personal attacks?

[Sjorpha]

HammerMaster, on 08 January 2019 - 05:58 AM, said:

Did you see the other personal attacks?

I will take the responsibility to inform someone if I don't think what they said to me personally is ok, if you feel crosses your lines you should do the same. I'm not going to minimod conversations between other people, that's their business not mine.

Edited by Sjorpha, 08 January 2019 - 07:17 AM.

[HammerMaster]

No as in the tone and staments to this guy by others that prompted him to make his over the top statement.
This whole thread is off topic and full of people poking sticks anymore.

Sjorpha, on 08 January 2019 - 07:16 AM, said:

I will take the responsibility to inform someone if I don't think what they said to me personally is ok, if you feel crosses your lines you should do the same. I'm not going to minimod conversations between other people, that's their business not mine.

[The Image]

Sjorpha, on 08 January 2019 - 07:16 AM, said:

I will take the responsibility to inform someone if I don't think what they said to me personally is ok, if you feel crosses your lines you should do the same. I'm not going to minimod conversations between other people, that's their business not mine.

To each his own, I personally refuse to accept the 'victimized' label just because someone directed language at me that 'hurts my feel'...

Best policy is to just ignore it.

The fun policy is to see if you can respond in kind, but cleverly and with more wit.

I realize this might hurt some Canadian sensibilities, but seriously, do we REALLY want to live in a society where we run to authorities crying every time someone is rude to us? Or would you rather have a society where each of us has the self confidence to either ignore it as nothing but static, or sees an opportunity to show some back bone to confront these people and if not 'respond in kind' to at least respond in such a way as to take responsibility for personally discouraging this sort of thing.

That and the fact that certain groups have made it a point to intentionally scam the forum mods and make it seem that actual nonsense was somehow offensive. I've read the Reddit forums where they've laughed their rears off at the MWO forum mods after the fact.

Anyway, just a random thought...

Edited by The Image, 08 January 2019 - 08:41 AM.

[Sjorpha]

HammerMaster, on 08 January 2019 - 07:41 AM, said:

No as in the tone and staments to this guy by others that prompted him to make his over the top statement.
This whole thread is off topic and full of people poking sticks anymore.

Sure, but he said it to me. And I dealt with it by telling him I wasn't ok with it. What else should I have done?

If you think the thread should stay on topic you should just say something on the topic.

I can say some on topic things to balance my off topic stuff, since it's a little unclear I'm going to define the topic as "advice for becoming better in solo queue"

1. Take the time to learn from players that are better at the game than you, if you get an opportunity for personal consultation from a top player seize the opportunity.

2. Document your own performance, film some of your matches if possible and watch them later to see what you can improve that you don't notice in the heat of the moment.

3. Take responsibility for your losses.
Always assume you could have won and try to look at what you could have done to win. It may not always be true but it will always be useful. Conversely don't blame your team for your losses, it may sometimes be true but it will always be useless.

4. Acknowledge the help you got to win.
Conversely from 3, when you win it is very important to be humble and see that you had a lot of help from your team. Don't assume your high score means you won on your own. Ask yourself what good examples and help was given by your teammates, and what you could have done even better.

5. Try the most competitive meta builds and strategies, and do it enough to understand why they are good.
You don't have to like them, you don't have to think they are fun, but if you want to improve you need to learn how to play them and understand why they are popular. This is especially important to do if you want to innovate your own builds meta builds and "break the meta", because in order to be successful at that you have to understand the meta builds and strategies even better than those who use them. The way to creativity and innovation is through intimate understanding and mastery of the established, you can't break free of a prison you don't understand, so as long as you refuse to do the necessary work you will be in the prison pretending to be free.

6. Accept that being good means getting good results over time.
Accept that there is no conspiracy or magical circumstance warping your stats against you. The information accessible on your performance is your friend, it's there for your benefit so you can use it to become better. And even if the stats would be unreliable for some reason you should then assume that they are warped in your favor so you can be more self critical. Thinking that they are warped against you and that you are "actually much better than it looks" is a useless and unconstructive mindset that will make you a worse player, even if it's true.

7. Focus on winning more as your primary goal.
The game is organized around winning and losing, treat it like you would a game of chess. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. A strategy that works to win consistently is a good strategy, one that doesn't is bad. Winning through objectives isn't better or worse than winning through kills. Winning fast or slow has the same value. Winning with a high personal score is still just a win. Losing with a high score is still a loss.

8. Plan your playtime, be in control of your gaming.
Addiction and unhealthy playing habits prevents you form getting better. Playing too much is bad for you and will make you significantly worse at the game. Repetition isn't necessarily training. Unless it's a commitment to competitive play don't play when you aren't enjoying it, don't play when you're angry and don't play to hide from other things you should do.

9. There are a lot of things that work.
Don't assume that just because you've "always lost" when doing something or using a strategy that it's a bad one, maybe it was just you or your team that didn't execute it well, or maybe the enemy just played better. The better you are the better you can judge this, and the best players are likely to know a lot more working strategies than you. Don't get locked into "group up and push" being the only thing that wins games, because it isn't.

10. There are a lot of things that don't work.
MWO isn't the most complex or balanced game in the world, and a lot of things are just bad. Some builds are just bad. Some weapons are just weak and some mechs just don't have much potential.

11. Do some duels.
Dueling is good for you. Lot's of combat details such as learning correct torso twist angles for a specific chassis, correctly judging how tanky and how good hitboxes a mech has and so on are better practiced in duels than in quickplay. I've skimped on this, I get bored by duels and frustrated by not being as good at dueling as I am in other modes. I would probably be better at the game if I dueled more, so I've decided to do it this year.

12. Don't try do do it all on your own.
The best predictor of fast improvement in games is access to coaching, feedback and social accountability. Some people have what it takes to become great at a game all on their own, but most people don't. Just assume you don't and get some friends and some organized play from time to time. It's more fun and healthy for most people to play with friends as well.

There you go, on topic

[HammerMaster]

Sjorpha, on 08 January 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

Lots of talking points

Right , wrong , indifferent.
All those points no matter.
#4 is most important to the discussion.
Humble.
That goes for our guys seeking help and our top tier posters alike.
Thank you sir.

Edited by HammerMaster, 08 January 2019 - 09:10 AM.

[Sjorpha]

The Image, on 08 January 2019 - 08:40 AM, said:

To each his own, I personally refuse to accept the 'victimized' label just because someone directed language at me that 'hurts my feel'... Best policy is to just ignore it.

Telling someone to stop is the opposite of being victimized. Tough guy silence routines or letting yourself be drawn into an exchange of insults is to truly make yourself a victim.

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The fun policy is to see if you can respond in kind, but cleverly and with more wit. I realize this might hurt some Canadian sensibilities, but seriously, do we REALLY want to live in a society where we run to authorities crying every time someone is rude to us?

Of course not, and that's exactly why you need to take personal responsibility for your boundaries and tell people yourself instead of escalation, so going to authorities or limiting freedom of speech isn't necessary.

I'm all for clever insults and jokes back and forth, but I'm not gonna bother when someone jumps straight out of the blue to "you're a bully that cries yourself to sleep blah blah" nonsense. If he'd responded in a fun way we could have had fun, sure.