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[Y E O N N E]

OmniFail, on 14 January 2019 - 04:47 PM, said:

LOL

I am the king of the LRM potatoes. The spread is so bad on LRMs right now that even with getting my on locks with Artemis equipped most of my kills are kill steals or the result of my close range weapons. The only time when LRMs are remotely dangerous is when a team is LRM boat heavy.

Top players indeed. Apparently they don't use LRMs enough to know the truth of the matter.

Furthermore, because I still put out large numbers, I get a decent PSR. Which in turn affects MM. But because of the low kill potential of the weapons system it creates a imbalance that contributes to roll stomps.

See where the LRM crying game has put us?

You are pretty good, but you are far from king of LRM Potatoes (by several hundred places). Reckless, for example, spent two months playing nothing but LRM boats in solo QP (June, July, and he also did most of May and September from watching his streams) and managed far better results than you in any one season of playing anything.

Edited by Y E O N N E, 14 January 2019 - 04:59 PM.

[Wil McCullough]

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 02:56 PM, said:

It's largely the top tier of players in the game saying both LRMs and ATMs are OP, not the low end.

Are you sure?

[Y E O N N E]

Wil McCullough, on 14 January 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:

Are you sure?

Names like:

Toast3r
ReckIess
Writhenn
prtn_spz
justcallme A S H
King Harkinian
Tarogato

Shoot, if I count I'll even throw my name in the pot.

The phrases "Praise Chris" and "Nice shot PGI!" have become memes among the top circles for a reason.

Edited by Y E O N N E, 14 January 2019 - 05:04 PM.

[Kubernetes]

Wil McCullough, on 14 January 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:

Are you sure?

Yeah, it's nearly heat-neutral uber-dps. I tend to think they're too feast/famine in SQ, but in FP or group they're nearly unbeatable with spotter support.

[Novakaine]

Jman5, on 14 January 2019 - 01:31 PM, said:

100% radar deprivation is OP as heck. I put it on nearly every build I have. I think ya'll are crazy for not going down the sensor tree. It's a goody bag of awesome skills.

Yeah me too, but so many of my team mates go.......
"But thanks so many clicks!"

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:

You are pretty good, but you are far from king of LRM Potatoes (by several hundred places). Reckless, for example, spent two months playing nothing but LRM boats in solo QP (June, July, and he also did most of May and September from watching his streams) and managed far better results than you in any one season of playing anything.

Now now let him be King and get called out every other match

Edited by Novakaine, 14 January 2019 - 05:25 PM.

[OmniFail]

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 04:58 PM, said:

You are pretty good, but you are far from king of LRM Potatoes (by several hundred places). Reckless, for example, spent two months playing nothing but LRM boats in solo QP (June, July, and he also did most of May and September from watching his streams) and managed far better results than you in any one season of playing anything.

Two whole months. LOL Are we talking game time or real time. These are my clan lrm stats which make up the lions share of LRMs launched. Four years worth. I would really like to see someone post numbers that can beat this volume. I would be interested to see their stats. Until then I call King of the Potato Launchers

Edited by OmniFail, 14 January 2019 - 05:38 PM.

[HammerMaster]

OmniFail, on 14 January 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

Two whole months. LOL Are we talking game time or real time. These are my clan lrm stats which make up the lions share of LRMs launched. Four years worth. I would really like to see someone post numbers that can beat this volume. I would be interested to see their stats. Until then I call King of the Potato Launchers

Weapon Matches Fired Hit Accuracy Time Equip. Damage
C-LRM 5 283 560,163 195,409 34.88% 1 day 05:17:35 191,017
C-LRM 10 6 18,976 6,578 34.66% 00:39:46 6,658
C-LRM 15 174 89,804 29,015 32.31% 17:18:15 65,480
C-LRM 20 32 30,976 8,344 26.94% 03:11:20 10,201
C-LRM 5 + ARTEMIS 125 250,866 85,061 33.91% 12:17:36 86,506
C-LRM 10 + ARTEMIS 202 216,441 76,416 35.31% 19:37:24 88,549
C-LRM 15 + ARTEMIS 1,991 2,573,843 841,271 32.69% 8 days 04:57:10 1,079,793
C-LRM 20 + ARTEMIS 236 165,252 48,780 29.52% 22:57:42 82,457


LRM 5 917 1,211,393 366,507 30.26% 3 days 21:25:07 426,241
LRM 10 126 116,189 35,087 30.20% 13:52:02 38,749
LRM 15 97 142,122 36,207 25.48% 10:33:47 41,681
LRM 20 6 204 68 33.33% 00:34:08 1,658
LRM 5 + ARTEMIS 326 158,817 46,361 29.19% 1 day 08:49:03 81,460
LRM 10 + ARTEMIS 321 372,744 125,099 33.56% 1 day 13:55:09 160,673
LRM 15 + ARTEMIS 832 1,186,273 361,196 30.45% 3 days 15:30:50 446,531
LRM 20 + ARTEMIS 224 88,190 27,265 30.92% 22:33:28 64,795


Is good or bad? I don't know?

Look numbers!

Edited by HammerMaster, 14 January 2019 - 06:03 PM.

[OmniFail]

Novakaine, on 14 January 2019 - 05:25 PM, said:

Now now let him be King and get called out every other match

So many kamikazes bro.

[FLG 01]

Curiously, today was a LRM-fest. But then, my AMS builds paid off. And I was not the only one to bring multiple AMS. When your team sports 15 AMS and keeps formation, enemy LRM has a hard time...

It is rather interesting how quickly the dynamics of QP can change.

[Y E O N N E]

OmniFail, on 14 January 2019 - 05:33 PM, said:

Two whole months. LOL Are we talking game time or real time. These are my clan lrm stats which make up the lions share of LRMs launched. Four years worth. I would really like to see someone post numbers that can beat this volume. I would be interested to see their stats. Until then I call King of the Potato Launchers

I can't give you his LRM stats page, but I can give you the final result:

[Jackal Noble]

ok, they look kind of similar to the rest of his results if not actually a little worse tbh

[Y E O N N E]

Jackal Noble, on 14 January 2019 - 09:08 PM, said:

ok, they look kind of similar to the rest of his results if not actually a little worse tbh

The difference was how much effort he had to put in to get even that level of performance, i.e. almost none. That's kind of the whole joke, he just sat in the middle of his team firing self-guiding missiles onto hapless targets between 200 and 600 meters away. AMS was of no concern.

Most of that was in either a Scorch or an Orion IIC. I recall an LRM Jenner IIC as well.

[OmniFail]

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

I can't give you his LRM stats page, but I can give you the final result:

Ok im not gonna say if I am better or not. Because this guy is obviously good. But we cannot compare my QP career stats to his organized group play stats. Im sure if I had a team like EMP backing me up aginst teams that often contain pugs my stats would look amazing too. I would like to see his weapon stats though. I would also like to see Vellons. I think his might be a better cntender for QP stats but I am not sure.


Ps did some research maybe not vellron

Edited by OmniFail, 14 January 2019 - 09:31 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

OmniFail, on 14 January 2019 - 09:23 PM, said:

Ok im not gonna say if I am better or not. Because this guy is obviously good. But we cannot compare my QP career stats to his organized group play stats. Im sure if I had a team like EMP backing me up aginst teams that often contain pugs my stats would look amazing too. I would like to see his weapon stats though. I would also like to see Vellons. I think his might be a better cntender for QP stats but I am not sure.

Those months I highlighted were QP solo. I watched almost every stream, and the theme was that EmP were not playing basically at all outside of the spartan practice sessions for MWOWC and the semifinals. Above and below had plenty of group play (except Dec, that's all solo QP because the group play all FP), and I know because I watched those streams or participated a little bit, too. High WLR and KDR are not always indicative of group play (my current WLR and KDR for this season are slightly ridiculous relative to my own historical performance and that's all me).

Vellron's end-of-season stats are honestly pretty meh, yours are much higher. I would not expect his LRMs stats to be more effective, though I am not sure I would trust anybody's weapon stats given the propensity to test-fire, initial learning-curves, and un-serious use at other points in time (my LRM stats are abysmal). I mean, damn, my LRM stats are about as good as yours...with an abysmal sample size:



They are also very clearly bugged. :v

[OmniFail]

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 09:22 PM, said:

The difference was how much effort he had to put in to get even that level of performance, i.e. almost none. That's kind of the whole joke, he just sat in the middle of his team firing self-guiding missiles onto hapless targets between 200 and 600 meters away. AMS was of no concern.

Most of that was in either a Scorch or an Orion IIC. I recall an LRM Jenner IIC as well.

So AMS is always a concern. The targeted mechs AMS has a tendency to work the LRM group from the inside out. The ones on the inside are more likely to be CT hits.

[OmniFail]

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 09:34 PM, said:

Those months I highlighted were QP solo. I watched almost every stream, and the theme was that EmP were not playing basically at all outside of the spartan practice sessions for MWOWC and the semifinals. Above and below had plenty of group play (except Dec, that's all solo QP because the group play all FP), and I know because I watched those streams or participated a little bit, too. High WLR and KDR are not always indicative of group play (my current WLR and KDR for this season are slightly ridiculous relative to my own historical performance and that's all me).

Vellron's end-of-season stats are honestly pretty meh, yours are much higher. I would not expect his LRMs stats to be more effective, though I am not sure I would trust anybody's weapon stats given the propensity to test-fire, initial learning-curves, and un-serious use at other points in time (my LRM stats are abysmal). I mean, damn, my LRM stats are about as good as yours...with an abysmal sample size:



They are also very clearly bugged. :v

Yeah the accuracy is pretty much baked in for lock on weapons.

[Y E O N N E]

OmniFail, on 14 January 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

So AMS is always a concern. The targeted mechs AMS has a tendency to work the LRM group from the inside out. The ones on the inside are more likely to be CT hits.

It isn't, though, because the 'Mechs turn to shield and end up causing the bulk to remove a ST instead.

[Wil McCullough]

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 05:02 PM, said:

Names like:

Toast3r
ReckIess
Writhenn
prtn_spz
justcallme A S H
King Harkinian
Tarogato

Shoot, if I count I'll even throw my name in the pot.

The phrases "Praise Chris" and "Nice shot PGI!" have become memes among the top circles for a reason.

Is this public knowledge? I don't recall any of the top players saying that lurms are op. No disrespect, really curious about this. I vaguely recall el bandito(?) or ash(?) saying lurms are in a better place but that's not the same.

[AssaultPig]

Y E O N N E, on 14 January 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

I can't give you his LRM stats page, but I can give you the final result:

unless I'm misunderstanding this data, doesn't this indicate that he's actually fractionally worse with LRMs (as indicated by the 'progress' column)?

and anyway, what's really being exposed here is that match score does not correlate particularly well with things that actually make your team win; despite an uptick in match score, his winrate in the highlighted period seems to take a substantial hit

and while I can't really judge how hard he was 'trying,' it seems unlikely that a high-end player is purposefully sandbagging his own performance just for chuckles

[Y E O N N E]

Wil McCullough, on 14 January 2019 - 10:09 PM, said:

Is this public knowledge? I don't recall any of the top players saying that lurms are op. No disrespect, really curious about this. I vaguely recall el bandito(?) or ash(?) saying lurms are in a better place but that's not the same.

Many of them have expressed these sentiments on their own streams, and most of us hang out in ASH's Discord channel and talk sh*t both directly and indirectly about LRMs all the time, except King Hark. He's not in the channel, but he did go on an on-stream rant last week calling all lock-on-players absolute scum, representing everything that is wrong with gaming today because nothing they do requires any skill and they get so rewarded for being so absolutely clueless. It was really something.

TBQH, El Bandito does not hang out on ASH's Discord and I don't know what his stance on them is.

AssaultPig, on 14 January 2019 - 10:10 PM, said:

unless I'm misunderstanding this data, doesn't this indicate that he's actually fractionally worse with LRMs (as indicated by the 'progress' column)?

and anyway, what's really being exposed here is that match score does not correlate particularly well with things that actually make your team win; despite an uptick in match score, his winrate in the highlighted period seems to take a substantial hit

and while I can't really judge how hard he was 'trying,' it seems unlikely that a high-end player is purposefully sandbagging his own performance just for chuckles

Lots of group play before the CLAG CENTRAL area.

He wasn't sandbagging his team at all, that was kind of the point of the meme. He doesn't have to do much, and he gets to basically relax in the back while farming significantly more c-bills than literally 99% of the playing population and getting way more wins than losses in the process.

Though the point of displaying the stats was really to show who King LRM Potato is, lul.