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[Xeno Phalcon]

I give unto thee the most accurate video game meme of the year.

[FireStoat]

Pre order a game that's months away from delivery, let alone months away from objective reviews? This is 2019 - get with the times, OP.

Edited by FireStoat, 04 February 2019 - 09:51 AM.

[MischiefSC]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 February 2019 - 09:38 AM, said:

I don't mind that Epic exists as much as I don't like their exclusivity efforts. Just the fact that they take far less from devs (a good thing) means a game could be offered for less and still make more profit on Epic and undercut Valve that way. This whole exclusivity thing just feels wrong to me.

Also, I may be encouraged to go to Epic eventually, however their service is pretty rough right now. Even the recent news of Publisher/Developer Opt-in for reviews is a bit sketchy IMO. I get wanting to avoid review bombing, however this just feels too heavy handed.

Again though, more than everything, I am less upset about Epic existing and more upset by more companies splintering the marketplace and causing the players to install more launchers. If there is one good thing I can say about consoles, it's at least the games can all be bought in one spot.

Hopefully one day there will be an application that manages all these stores by portaling into each store for purchases, and managing libraries/patches. Essentially I could buy from anyone, and do it completely from one launcher application. I know Launchbox comes close, but I think it just manages libraries. I just want something that doesn't force me to run Origin, BattleNet, Steam, Epic, Bethesda Launcher, etc... all at the same time :/

Maybe one day. A person can dream.

Valve was crap early on too. Epic has gone for exclusives because it's a powerful way to drive traffic. A few dollars cheaper really doesn't - that's why people still buy from steam and not everything from HumbleBundle.

The reality is that Steam has steadily and significantly reduced what they give developers for that 30% cut. They justify it by having a functional monopoly on the buyers access to games. Epic won't have the revenue to build a strong platform without getting people to use them over Steam - hence the exclusives.

I would rather there were no exclusives, not between platforms or console/PC for that matter but that's the reality of business. I'm strongly in favor of supporting Epic because at this point Steam takes 30% of profits while providing absolutely nothing save a strangle hold on player access to games.

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GeminiWolf, on 03 February 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

For the love of all that is great and holy, PLEASE PRE-ORDER MW5... you don't understand...if you don't Pre-Order you will see...you will see!!!!

Neither you nor PGI have the amount of money available that would be necessary to persuade me to pre-order anything from PGI.

[R Valentine]

Pre-orders and early access are both cancerous practices that lead to unfinished products sold to us at full price with the expectation that we will be free beta, and even pre-alpha, testers. That's asinine. Don't encourage poor business models.

[MeiSooHaityu]

MischiefSC, on 04 February 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

Valve was crap early on too. Epic has gone for exclusives because it's a powerful way to drive traffic. A few dollars cheaper really doesn't - that's why people still buy from steam and not everything from HumbleBundle.

The reality is that Steam has steadily and significantly reduced what they give developers for that 30% cut. They justify it by having a functional monopoly on the buyers access to games. Epic won't have the revenue to build a strong platform without getting people to use them over Steam - hence the exclusives.

I would rather there were no exclusives, not between platforms or console/PC for that matter but that's the reality of business. I'm strongly in favor of supporting Epic because at this point Steam takes 30% of profits while providing absolutely nothing save a strangle hold on player access to games.

I'll say this, Steam still does offer more to the user than Epic (at this time). Not to say they won't be able to improve on it in the future though...




Again though, my biggest issue is mostly what is happening to the PC game purchasing/managing side right now more than Epic itself. Epic is a symptom of a bigger issue, and not a cause, so I can only be so frustrated with them as a whole. Ultimately I am more frustrated with the trend of the market place splintering than anything else.

Maybe soon Ubisoft will force players to Uplay for purchasing too, Take 2 to a launcher they will develop, CD Projekt to GoG only, and every other publisher coming up with their own store and launcher. It's going to get messy. When a gamer on PC needs 10 separate launchers to play games, all taking resources, all fighting for bandwidth for patching/updating, it's going to get ridiculous (heck it already is).

Maybe we have Valve to blame for this with their rigid higher prices. Either way though, it is going to be messy for the PC gamer going forward. I know I can't blame Epic for this, they see an opportunity to make money and they are taking it. Still, I don't have to like it, and I don't have to jump on board with it...yet anyway.

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 04 February 2019 - 10:17 AM.

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MischiefSC, on 04 February 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

Valve was crap early on too.

And it only got away with it because it was effectively first. If Epic wants to compete, it has to compete with Steam now, not Steam way back when.

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 February 2019 - 10:16 AM, said:

Maybe soon Ubisoft will force players to Uplay for purchasing too

Jesus Christ no. Uplay is just bad.

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CD Projekt to GoG only

At least GoG doesn't require you to even download Galaxy.

[MechaBattler]

Personally I'm waiting for the cut off date on the pre-orders. I don't believe in pre-ordering. Even though I'd get a fat chunk of MC. I'm just not playing MWO much right now. I'm back to playing Roguetech instead. But I will be getting the pre-order so I can play earlier than release date. Even though they call it a beta. We all know it's just early access, which is fine. Give me a month earlier and a bunch MC/Marauder II!

[Thorn Hallis]

You know what I would pre-order? A RTS in the vein of World in Conflict with a Battletech license on top.

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Thorn Hallis, on 04 February 2019 - 11:32 AM, said:

You know what I would pre-order? A RTS in the vein of World in Conflict with a Battletech license on top.

So MechCommander(ish).

[Thorn Hallis]

Bombast, on 04 February 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

So MechCommander(ish).

No, World in Conflict(ish)

[Antares102]

Lol no

[Peter2k]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 February 2019 - 09:38 AM, said:

Snip

Frankly as long as the launchers are not intrusive, like I double click on the game, it checks if its valid and then launches I dont really care.

Also if it helps, Rebel galaxy Outlaw will be (also the cheapest game) on Nintendo Switch

[Peter2k]

MischiefSC, on 04 February 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

Valve was crap early on too. Epic has gone for exclusives because it's a powerful way to drive traffic. A few dollars cheaper really doesn't - that's why people still buy from steam and not everything from HumbleBundle.

The reality is that Steam has steadily and significantly reduced what they give developers for that 30% cut. They justify it by having a functional monopoly on the buyers access to games. Epic won't have the revenue to build a strong platform without getting people to use them over Steam - hence the exclusives.

I would rather there were no exclusives, not between platforms or console/PC for that matter but that's the reality of business. I'm strongly in favor of supporting Epic because at this point Steam takes 30% of profits while providing absolutely nothing save a strangle hold on player access to games.

What I really don't get is this complaining about Metro with the "but Steam did all the advertising and making an effort they turn they're backs on Steam".
So is Valve this high moral, good do, can't do wrong business that needs to be revered or something?

What do I care if Steam did a little promo on a front page and now loses out because they don't feel like offering better terms for devs.
If you pre ordered it on Steam you get it still on Steam, if you've waited till now then you obviously wait for reviews to come out.
So what's the loss?

For all my Steam library, I would've wished that PGI gets a bigger cut and pays no royalties, because it's a franchise I'm still so in love with, and I wish them good things.
Also i would suspect that in the countless number of games they don't actually stand out in Steam, but would ohh so much in Epic.

Edited by Peter2k, 04 February 2019 - 12:01 PM.

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Peter2k, on 04 February 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

Also if it helps, Rebel galaxy Outlaw will be (also the cheapest game) on Nintendo Switch

I don't know if that's a recipe for greatness or a trainwreck waiting to happen, but I'm game to find out.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Peter2k, on 04 February 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

Frankly as long as the launchers are not intrusive, like I double click on the game, it checks if its valid and then launches I dont really care.

Also if it helps, Rebel galaxy Outlaw will be (also the cheapest game) on Nintendo Switch

Maybe I need to get a switch then . At least there are some other games on that system I wouldn't mind playing as well.

[KHETTI]

While i'm definitely going to get MW5 once it's released, the pre-order makes sense only if you're active in MWO, which i haven't been for about a year and a half.
Other than that my gaming interests are elsewhere right now, so it's a definitive no.

[Bombast]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 February 2019 - 12:04 PM, said:

Maybe I need to get a switch then . At least there are some other games on that system I wouldn't mind playing as well.

I just got one. Drilled my way through Zelda, just started playing Disgaea 5. Will get Odyssey soon.

There's a ton of great games on this thing, but fair warning - It's third party library suffers a lot from "I can get this on Steam for cheaper" syndrome, and the first party stuff, while top shelf, comes out at a trickle.

[MeiSooHaityu]

Bombast, on 04 February 2019 - 12:18 PM, said:

I just got one. Drilled my way through Zelda, just started playing Disgaea 5. Will get Odyssey soon.

There's a ton of great games on this thing, but fair warning - It's third party library suffers a lot from "I can get this on Steam for cheaper" syndrome, and the first party stuff, while top shelf, comes out at a trickle.

I kind of figured that. That plus the reports of warped systems and stress fractures near the top vents had sort of made me a bit gun-shy too when it comes to committing to one.

I may still do it yet, but it just isn't a priority for me at this time anyway.

[Bombast]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 February 2019 - 12:27 PM, said:

I may still do it yet, but it just isn't a priority for me at this time anyway.

There's rumors of a smaller, cheaper Switch being developed. Maybe that'll be your ticket.