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[DarkFhoenix]

I prefer to buy already finished games that can be played with as soon as I paid for it .

I also am more interested in playing MWO at the moment .

[LordNothing]

GeminiWolf, on 03 February 2019 - 06:30 PM, said:

PLEASE! How can you resist...

im a cat person

[yodookie]

If MW5 is turned into an "Epic" store exclusive, then PGI has completely lost me and plenty of money in sales.

[yodookie]

MischiefSC, on 04 February 2019 - 09:58 AM, said:

Valve was crap early on too. Epic has gone for exclusives because it's a powerful way to drive traffic. A few dollars cheaper really doesn't - that's why people still buy from steam and not everything from HumbleBundle.

The reality is that Steam has steadily and significantly reduced what they give developers for that 30% cut. They justify it by having a functional monopoly on the buyers access to games. Epic won't have the revenue to build a strong platform without getting people to use them over Steam - hence the exclusives.

I would rather there were no exclusives, not between platforms or console/PC for that matter but that's the reality of business. I'm strongly in favor of supporting Epic because at this point Steam takes 30% of profits while providing absolutely nothing save a strangle hold on player access to games.

Do as you wish, but I can't support a communist owned entity having my information and collecting my data. It's a very insecure buggy launcher run by a host that has been cited multiple times for spying on users, selling private personal information, and being hacked multiple times. Epic (tencent) is flat out bribing devs paying them monies to release only on their store, how does that help consumers with choice and create a better overall marketplace?

BTW, not all games on Steam are split at 30%. Epic takes a nice chunk the same as all the other options in the market place while offering substantially less than what Steam offers.

Edited by yodookie, 04 February 2019 - 03:05 PM.

[Bombast]

yodookie, on 04 February 2019 - 02:53 PM, said:

Do as you wish, but I can't support a communist owned entity having my information and collecting my data.

Ok, wait a minute. You're gonna have to clarify that one.

[The6thMessenger]

MeiSooHaityu, on 04 February 2019 - 07:28 AM, said:

If this game goes exclusive to Epic, I am going to be upset.

They'll dig their own graves.

[FireStoat]

Kiran Yagami, on 04 February 2019 - 10:15 AM, said:

Pre-orders and early access are both cancerous practices that lead to unfinished products sold to us at full price with the expectation that we will be free beta, and even pre-alpha, testers. That's asinine. Don't encourage poor business models.

I'll mostly agree with everything you said with one small exception. Over 15 years ago a company called Cryptic Studios kicked out a game called City of Heroes that had a small pre order format that nearly everyone felt was a good deal. Ten dollars paid for the game either online or at local brick and mortar shops which was applied towards the purchase price which gave you an exclusive movement power graphic and a 3 day head start of playing the game, on top of a month of beta testing. For what it's worth, the 2 months prior to launch in which the company was giving out beta test codes like candy netted the company some great player feedback which resulted in one of the very best MMORPG launches the world ever witnessed.

I guess we got away from the small portion investment for a pre order to it ramping up to the full purchase price which is something I no longer agree with.

[GeminiWolf]

FireStoat, on 04 February 2019 - 04:50 PM, said:

I'll mostly agree with everything you said with one small exception. Over 15 years ago a company called Cryptic Studios kicked out a game called City of Heroes that had a small pre order format that nearly everyone felt was a good deal. Ten dollars paid for the game either online or at local brick and mortar shops which was applied towards the purchase price which gave you an exclusive movement power graphic and a 3 day head start of playing the game, on top of a month of beta testing. For what it's worth, the 2 months prior to launch in which the company was giving out beta test codes like candy netted the company some great player feedback which resulted in one of the very best MMORPG launches the world ever witnessed.

I guess we got away from the small portion investment for a pre order to it ramping up to the full purchase price which is something I no longer agree with.

I loved City of Hereos... so sad it went under. The best playerbase I have ever experienced in any online game I've played.

[Phyrce]

I have been playing Mechwarrior on computer since the 80s. I legit love this universe. I played MW2 like it was the only game released from 95-2000. I absolutely refuse to preorder MW5 with PGI's track record of support. I almost fully expect MW5 to drop in price 90 days after launch and have modders fixing 75% of the issues. Maybe im just cynical but that's the experience ive had with MWO (outside of the fact that modders aren't allowed fix it), so why would MW5 be different? I also won't be surprised if they try to shoe horn MWO into MW5 and recharge us for everything, because why not? Dev's gotta get them $$$$$.

Edited by Phyrce, 04 February 2019 - 06:23 PM.

[R5D4]

Phyrce, on 04 February 2019 - 06:22 PM, said:

I have been playing Mechwarrior on computer since the 80s. I legit love this universe. I played MW2 like it was the only game released from 95-2000. I absolutely refuse to preorder MW5 with PGI's track record of support. I almost fully expect MW5 to drop in price 90 days after launch and have modders fixing 75% of the issues. Maybe im just cynical but that's the experience ive had with MWO (outside of the fact that modders aren't allowed fix it), so why would MW5 be different? I also won't be surprised if they try to shoe horn MWO into MW5 and recharge us for everything, because why not? Dev's gotta get them $$$$$.

YUP nail on the head right there.
I fully expect to pick MW5 up on steam sale once the modding community has started to fix everything that will (undoubtedly) be wrong with it right out of the box. PGI has done some good things for Battletech (standing up to Harmony Gold) but that doesn't mean I'll go throwing my money at them for what I strongly suspect will be, at best, a half baked mostly broken product.

Maybe I'm wrong but given what we've seen out of MWO I know where I'm placing my bet.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

With no MW5... We have not guys that's build up her experience for building a MWO 2 with the UE4... MWO is dead , MWO stranded with the transverse disaster and all wishes and hopes with it.. The captain lost his crew. Now MW5 is the only way to come to a new start...

[SPNKRGrenth]

Assuming I can save up enough before the community preorder goes away, I'm preordering. A fat stack of MC, mech pack, skill points, as well as premium time. All of which are things I want. Oh, and I get a new mech game when it comes out too, so that's neat.

[Cementi]

The6thMessenger, on 03 February 2019 - 04:30 PM, said:

No.

We need to stop paying devs and publishers unfinished products.

This. It is not even entirely about PGI and it's track record.

[Prototelis]

GeminiWolf, on 04 February 2019 - 06:08 PM, said:

I loved City of Hereos... so sad it went under. The best playerbase I have ever experienced in any online game I've played.

A ******* men.

I could go on forever about how fun that game was. It was so easy to find a group, no one gave a **** if your build wasn't min-maxed, EVERY single character was different. I miss CoH/CoV so much.

[GeminiWolf]

Prototelis, on 04 February 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

A ******* men.

I could go on forever about how fun that game was. It was so easy to find a group, no one gave a **** if your build wasn't min-maxed, EVERY single character was different. I miss CoH/CoV so much.

I know man, I had so many online friends from that game and had so much fun playing with everyone in it. I think the reason being is that it wasn't PVP when it came out, so everyone who played had a help each other out mentallity

[Prototelis]

GeminiWolf, on 04 February 2019 - 09:44 PM, said:

I know man, I had so many online friends from that game and had so much fun playing with everyone in it. I think the reason being is that it wasn't PVP when it came out, so everyone who played had a help each other out mentallity

Even the peeps in the PVP zones were cool.

I played Villain side most of the time towards the end, and we'd stick a few masterminds in a corner on that oil rig level. Use a stalker to get someone aggro'd and then teleport them into our group of mobs. And like I could ask like literally anyone to group up and help gank people for funsies. People were cool in the super group raids and arenas too.

[Cementi]

Prototelis, on 04 February 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

A ******* men.

I could go on forever about how fun that game was. It was so easy to find a group, no one gave a **** if your build wasn't min-maxed, EVERY single character was different. I miss CoH/CoV so much.

GeminiWolf, on 04 February 2019 - 09:44 PM, said:

I know man, I had so many online friends from that game and had so much fun playing with everyone in it. I think the reason being is that it wasn't PVP when it came out, so everyone who played had a help each other out mentallity

Still my fondest memories of gaming come from that game.

[Dogstar]

ForceUser, on 04 February 2019 - 01:01 AM, said:

The mw5 community pre order is the best value mechpack currently available for mwo, and thats not taking into account the founders bonus or mw5 itself. You basically get mw5 for free along with the best value mechpack.

If the reviews are positive i would very much encourage everyone to pick up the game though as it supports the IP, encourages furure titles and DLC, encourages investment into yhe IP from Microsoft and supports a company that has improved.

Frankly you sound quite deluded which makes your opinion pretty useless - none of the preorders get you MW5 'for free'

$120 Ultimate less $70 for Marauder 2 ultimate = $50 for MW5
$80 Collector less $40 for Marauder 2 collector = $40 for MW5
$50 Standard less $20 for Marauder 2 standard = $30 for MW5

Now that is ignoring all the freebies that are included (which cost PGI nothing to include) but effectively you are paying at least $30 for MW5 and the more you spend the _less_ of a bargain it is.

It's terrible marketing even if you think the game will be worth buying

[Xiphias]

Dogstar, on 05 February 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

Frankly you sound quite deluded which makes your opinion pretty useless - none of the preorders get you MW5 'for free'

$120 Ultimate less $70 for Marauder 2 ultimate = $50 for MW5
$80 Collector less $40 for Marauder 2 collector = $40 for MW5
$50 Standard less $20 for Marauder 2 standard = $30 for MW5

Now that is ignoring all the freebies that are included (which cost PGI nothing to include) but effectively you are paying at least $30 for MW5 and the more you spend the _less_ of a bargain it is.

It's terrible marketing even if you think the game will be worth buying

12,000 MC is $50 in MWO (and similarly for the other packages). In addition to that you get a $20 mech pack on top. That means you are getting $50 (MC) + $20 (pack) + MW5 if you were already going to buy the credits in MWO.

So yes, effectively one might consider MW5 free if they would already be buying MC/mechpacks in MWO. The package is the best MWO deal you can buy right now even if you didn't want MW5 for some reason. If you're a founder it's even better. Does that make it a good deal? That's up to you and how long MWO remains online. You are correct in that larger packages do seem to provide less overall value.

[PhoenixFire55]

GeminiWolf, on 03 February 2019 - 04:01 PM, said:

For the love of all that is great and holy, PLEASE PRE-ORDER MW5... you don't understand...if you don't Pre-Order you will see...you will see!!!!

Hmmm ... how about ... No.