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[Burning2nd]

Solaris, can someone point me to the explanation on how the hell thats suppose to work?


leave patron and Sponcer out of it

more impotently how the hell does that match maker work?

I can be in a Oxide 2c and be vs a spider, or a battlemaster....

there are rounds that are not possible to win

then Im in a locust and i got on with anything from a firestarter to a jager mech...



where is the math for this one and can someone point me to the directions...

[PhoenixFire55]

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

I can be in a Oxide 2c and be vs a spider, or a battlemaster....

I think its kinda pointless to explain anything to a guy in an "Oxide 2c".

^^ Tier 1 ladies and gentlemen.

Edited by PhoenixFire55, 20 February 2019 - 10:47 AM.

[Bloodwitch]

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

Solaris, can someone point me to the explanation on how the hell thats suppose to work?


leave patron and Sponcer out of it

more impotently how the hell does that match maker work?

I can be in a Oxide 2c and be vs a spider, or a battlemaster....

there are rounds that are not possible to win

then Im in a locust and i got on with anything from a firestarter to a jager mech...



where is the math for this one and can someone point me to the directions...

Yea.. you are free to pick whatever mechs are available in any division, not all mechs are equal, especially with min/max'd solaris loadouts.

That said, the division and the mechs in them are roughly equal, not perfectly equal.

PhoenixFire55, on 20 February 2019 - 10:47 AM, said:

I think its kinda pointless to explain anything to a guy in an "Oxide 2c".

^^ Tier 1 ladies and gentlemen.

That's a pun on the Jenner IIC hex srm loadout.

Edited by Kunato Developments, 20 February 2019 - 10:49 AM.

[Loodacris]

Never really understood how divisions are made as you can get some weird matches sometimes (ie Summoner vs Atlas). Arguably it's a bit more even in the lower divisions but it kind of makes it pointless to play in the upper divisions if you don't have the heaviest/strongest mech on the block.

[justcallme A S H]

Loodacris, on 20 February 2019 - 12:42 PM, said:

Never really understood how divisions are made as you can get some weird matches sometimes (ie Summoner vs Atlas). Arguably it's a bit more even in the lower divisions but it kind of makes it pointless to play in the upper divisions if you don't have the heaviest/strongest mech on the block.

Not even remotely accurate.

The Arctic Wolf in Div 1 can very much counter the 100T Dakka mechs if you know what you are doing. That is what it comes back to - Knowing what you are doing. Thinking of counter strategies and so on.

I don't always play the heaviest mech available in any division. Same with many players, all the way to the pointy end.

[justcallme A S H]

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

I can be in a Oxide 2c and be vs a spider, or a battlemaster....

there are rounds that are not possible to win

You pick the map stronger for you and ban the weak ones.

Every round is possible to win, unless you make a super grave mistake in mech/map selection, then that is your fault.

Surely for someone self-proclaimed* to be as good as you claim you are. This should be absolutely no issue for you and you should be capable to make any situation work.


*and then be prompty shutdown by actual good players in a private lobby, that was streamed for all to see.

[Burning2nd]

PhoenixFire55, on 20 February 2019 - 10:47 AM, said:

I think its kinda pointless to explain anything to a guy in an "Oxide 2c".

^^ Tier 1 ladies and gentlemen.

Sorry I have to be spesific

Jr7-IIc(o) Since you cant read between the lines.... I know i know

[Bowelhacker]

justcallme A S H, on 20 February 2019 - 01:00 PM, said:

Not even remotely accurate. The Arctic Wolf in Div 1 can very much counter the 100T Dakka mechs if you know what you are doing. That is what it comes back to - Knowing what you are doing. Thinking of counter strategies and so on. I don't always play the heaviest mech available in any division. Same with many players, all the way to the pointy end.

True, I was in an Arctic Wolf vs a Kodiak the other day and it was a fairly easy win in the end. And I'm by far from being very good at Solarising. In fact I think both of my Div 1 victories have been in Arctic Wolves stuffed with SRMs. Admittedly the non Kodiak win was against someone who brought ATMs, but still...

[Burning2nd]

did they make the divisions based on tonage?

[justcallme A S H]

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 02:11 PM, said:

did they make the divisions based on tonage?

No. Chassis. What can counter what and so on.

Granted it is not perfect - it's better currently that it was. There is no reason a Jihad JennerIIC can't kill a BLR... If you can't that just comes back to being outplayed.

[Burning2nd]

I was in the oxide i won, it wasnt a battle master i cant even remember what it was.. It just seemed.. that matches where either very stacked in my direction or the other...

Im just trying to understand what was the math that went behind it

[Burning2nd]

So just dedicated DPs builds?

[Remover of Obstacles]

How do you get locks for your LRM Jenner 2c in Solaris?

[TheCaptainJZ]

Each player has an ELO in each of the 7 divisions. You lose, it goes down. You win, it goes up. It's supposed to match within a division with a similar ELO but most times, there's only a couple players in a queue so you get whoever.

Each chassis (variant actually) is assigned to a different division. 7 being the lowest and the weakest in terms of firepower. Weight classes are irrelevant, though you'll see more assaults in the higher divisions and more lights and mediums in the lower ones.

Matches kick off on regular intervals. I think it's 2 minutes now.

You click a map during the map selection to ban it from play that round. Then your opponent chooses one until there's only one left. If no selection is made, one is banned at random.

[Bloodwitch]

Remover of Obstacles, on 20 February 2019 - 03:49 PM, said:

How do you get locks for your LRM Jenner 2c in Solaris?

About division. I dropped Merata's banshee in division 5 with a sin (was incredibly messy, tho). Talking about the odds, you can win every game, with every mech, every division but you don't have to make it hard on you by choosing something which doesn't fit your gameplan or worse playing into the opponents gameplan.

Edited by Kunato Developments, 26 February 2019 - 04:33 PM.

[Horseman]

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 10:45 AM, said:

more impotently how the hell does that match maker work?

https://mwomercs.com/s7-mech-divisions
You're matched by division and then your SSR within that division if there's more than one other player within the queue (which is pretty rare).

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I can be in a Oxide 2c and be vs a spider, or a battlemaster....

The former can only occur in Div 5, the latter only in Div 4. Different Jenner IIC variants in each.

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there are rounds that are not possible to win

Some of your opponents probably think the same thing, just about different match-ups.

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then Im in a locust and i got on with anything from a firestarter to a jager mech...

Are you sure you don't mean a Rifleman?

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

Sorry I have to be spesific
Jr7-IIc(o) Since you cant read between the lines.... I know i know

That's not Oxide, it's just the Origins Jenner IIC. Oxide refers to a specific IS hero mech.

[Horseman]

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 02:11 PM, said:

did they make the divisions based on tonage?

Not quite. It's clear they started with tonnage, but then adjusted mechs in divisions based on their relative performance to one another. Grouping mechs based on class or tonnage would have the same problems, just far worse (hel-lo Locust vs Piranha)

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

So just dedicated DPs builds?

Not necessarily. Read https://mwomercs.com...aris-archtypes/

Burning2nd, on 20 February 2019 - 03:13 PM, said:

I was in the oxide i won, it wasnt a battle master i cant even remember what it was.. It just seemed.. that matches where either very stacked in my direction or the other...
Im just trying to understand what was the math that went behind it

Bad players bringing bad builds, mediocre players bringing mediocre builds, tryhards bringing tryhard builds.

[Burning2nd]

Horseman, on 27 February 2019 - 07:07 AM, said:

That's not Oxide, it's just the Origins Jenner IIC. Oxide refers to a specific IS hero mech.

Jr7-IIC(O)
Is the 2nd oxide,
jr7-O
is the 1st Oxide,

[Horseman]

Burning2nd, on 28 February 2019 - 02:41 AM, said:

Jr7-IIC(O)
Is the 2nd oxide,

No. The (O) stands for Origins IIC (which is where the (O) versions of IIC mechs come from), not Oxide.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

From what I've been able to understand, Tiering of mechs is decided after every solaris "Season" Depending on use, and performance of those mechs in the division.

Based on that, mechs that perform amazingly in say, div 3, will likely end up in div 2 in the coming season, and those that do poorly will end up in div 4, just as an example... I do not know how accurate this is, but it's what I've come to understand, and I very much might be wrong on this.