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[MechWarrior Black Knight]

i wonder why in evry match only 2-3 mech max have lams or ams , 12 mechs with 1 ams together can laught at 2 lrm boat mechs, saw that before , i play since close beta , and it was not that bad like today , have 150 mechs and 95% of them have ams, only few special builds odnt have it , evryone prefer 1 ton more ammo (even if in 99% they cant use it all evry match) or 1 heatsink.
Because of this lrms are so popular , yes not because they buffed velocity , or because this is so easy to use , if evryone use ams and tehy will do **** dmg because of ams shield evrymatch , they stop use it and replace by srm or mrm in rocket based mechs.
And yes i play Assaults, in QP

Edited by MechWarrior Black Knight, 01 March 2019 - 10:49 AM.

[Grus]

@title Because cover is OP...

[Bud Crue]

MechWarrior Black Knight, on 01 March 2019 - 10:46 AM, said:

i wonder why in evry match only 2-3 mech max have lams or ams

2-3!? A year ago, that would have been “maybe 1 mech has lams or ams”.

Between the glory that is the ATM and Chris’s crusade to make LRMs the next meta, folks are starting to realize a couple of tons potentially wasted on AMS might not be such a waste after all. I suspect after the next patch you will see even more people running lams and ams.

[MechWarrior Black Knight]

Grus, on 01 March 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

@title Because cover is OP...

i dont agree , in assault you cant fast find cover in most situation, and you will stuck behind it, if 3 lrm boats fire at you if you go out you die , so in many situation you are locked in that position and then other enemy mechs find you and kill you , in quick play its easy way to get separated when your team dont care about you.
If evryone will have 1 ams you can move in open area and dont give a f**k

Edited by MechWarrior Black Knight, 01 March 2019 - 11:03 AM.

[K O Z A K]

the myth of stacking ams against lrms isn't really representative of what really happens in the game. Missile mechs can be 2km away from each other and shoot the same target, on the flipside ams mechs to engage the same stream of missiles basically have to stand on top of each other, when you're talking about 12 ams mechs you'd need to have them all move around in a 150m x 150m square to have full coverage, this just isn't possible.

ams takes weight and slots, and many builds need every 0.5 ton they can get for their primary loadout to be as effective as it can be. I have ams on some lrm map specific mechs, but it's more for shooting down narcs if I get lucky (and even then if the narcer is good and runs 2 narcs it won't help), maybe a few atms, I don't realistically expect it to shoot down any serious amount of lrms

[LordNothing]

missiles are in a good place right now and so im using more ams. and frankly ams is everywhere. little 20 ton iron domes running about spewing ams everywhere.

[Grus]

MechWarrior Black Knight, on 01 March 2019 - 10:58 AM, said:

i dont agree , in assault you cant fast find cover in most situation, and you will stuck behind it, if 3 lrm boats fire at you if you go out you die , so in many situation you are locked in that position and then other enemy mechs find you and kill you , in quick play its easy way to get separated when your team dont care about you.
If evryone will have 1 ams you can move in open area and dont give a f**k

huh? If you're in a assualt and using cover correctly you can move in and out of said cover just fine with minimal return fire. If you're running out in the open then you're gonna get wrecked by EVERYTHING not just lrms. If the agility of your assault is an issue, then dont bring a whale.

[VulcanXIV]

I'm at mid tier2 and I usually play only phoenix hawk roc 90% of the time. I love making it work as a heavy skirmisher and I switch between several builds many times. One thing I now try to keep standard AT ALL TIMES is dual ams. Unfortunately anything more than a single enemy with one small-to-medium sized lrm will punch through even that, but what can I do? After all, it's practically a downside to my team that i'm running something like a phoenix hawk as it is.

On one side you can say that it's not such a bad thing to run a mere 45 ton and expect to win or lose the game for your team but the size of a phoenix hawk for a MERE 45 TONS truly is the handicap of the century. Point is, I feel awesome running utility like that and if I can help the team stack ams with another teammate or two, then we're golden.

Reserving 3 tons of ams and ammo on it can be a ***** though...

[Felbombling]

I shifted focus from LRMs [which I barely ever used in the first place, to be honest] to MRMs and ATMs. I might have 2x LRM 15 on a seldom used Archer, if memory serves. As for AMS, I have them scattered here and there among the Mechs that I run. I think it is a good tonnage trade off for potential armour savings during a match... for the whole team, not just myself.

[Grus]

If you're at teir 1 and are still having the "lrms op" blues, you should t be at tier 1...

[MechWarrior Black Knight]

Grus, on 01 March 2019 - 11:30 AM, said:

If you're at teir 1 and are still having the "lrms op" blues, you should t be at tier 1...

where i said they are op? , they are not in group vs group , to be honest they are even uselles , but in QP its another story, not op but they piss me off.

[VulcanXIV]

Grus, on 01 March 2019 - 11:30 AM, said:

If you're at teir 1 and are still having the "lrms op" blues, you should t be at tier 1...

Doesn't take a genius to know that tier 1 still has lrm boats AND more than enough potatoes who can't read a map, let alone play around lrm's

And then there's the arctic map

[Variant1]

I dont know this post contains alot of hyperbole, contradictions and exagerations that im not so sure if it is serious.........

LRMs back then where way worse, LRMageddon was a thing and it bled alot of players back then which led to the stealth bubble ecm introduction. As for ams, i encounter it frequently and it doesnt stop lrms completely so my lrm builds dont have any trouble unless mm pairs me up against multiple ams carriers/boats.

The Post contradicts the title since it says "why no one uses ams" only to mention a few seconds later: "[color=#959595]in evry match only 2-3 mech max have lams or ams"[/color]

[Grus]

MechWarrior Black Knight, on 01 March 2019 - 11:46 AM, said:

where i said they are op? , they are not in group vs group , to be honest they are even uselles , but in QP its another story, not op but they piss me off.

If QP is the issue or when you have the most problems with lrms then why are you dropping in mechs/ moving to exposed locations, that LET lrms wreck you?

[Dee Eight]

Bud Crue, on 01 March 2019 - 10:55 AM, said:

2-3!? A year ago, that would have been “maybe 1 mech has lams or ams”.

Between the glory that is the ATM and Chris’s crusade to make LRMs the next meta, folks are starting to realize a couple of tons potentially wasted on AMS might not be such a waste after all. I suspect after the next patch you will see even more people running lams and ams.

Well ever since they added the AMS missiles destroyed info to the end results, you can see how many missiles you destroyed which then didn't get to intersect with yourself or friendly mechs near you. 32 missiles stopped is a ton of standard armor saved amongst the team.

[Web Death]

AMS/LAMS also helps against ATMs. Not 100% sure if it works against SSRMs. I think I've seen it shoot down normal SRM if used at longer ranges. But could just be my memories of my ATMs being blurred into it.

[Bud Crue]

Dee Eight, on 01 March 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:

Well ever since they added the AMS missiles destroyed info to the end results, you can see how many missiles you destroyed which then didn't get to intersect with yourself or friendly mechs near you. 32 missiles stopped is a ton of standard armor saved amongst the team.

Yup. Bonus for survivability and AMS is great for increasing match score too in these LRM heavy times. For at least the past month in GQ, I (and a couple others I drop with regularly) have been running a dual AMS Jester for the majority of the nightly drops and the missles destroyed counts are often pretty insane. I’ve learned too love the things.

[Jman5]

Because people are silly and act like you'll be stuck doing 100 damage if you equip one.

Yes, some builds really do have tonnage and slot space constrictions that just make it impractical. Some are extremely ammo starved and there is no where to go. However, there are so many builds out there that are overtuned in heat or engine size or ammo counts.

I'm of the opinion that unless you're building for competitive, solaris, or specific FP maps, you really should make an effort to find room for AMS. Although maybe I'm outdated on the competitive because I've watched a few comp games lately featuring one or more missile mechs absolutely tearing the other team apart.

[Vorpal Puppy]

For me, sufficient ammo and weapons come first. If it comes down to AMS vs a heatsink, I usually chose to take the AMS. The only exception is for mechs that go less than 60 kph. They always get AMS.

[Phoenix 72]

VulcanXIV, on 01 March 2019 - 11:24 AM, said:

On one side you can say that it's not such a bad thing to run a mere 45 ton and expect to win or lose the game for your team but the size of a phoenix hawk for a MERE 45 TONS truly is the handicap of the century. Point is, I feel awesome running utility like that and if I can help the team stack ams with another teammate or two, then we're golden.

You might want to try a Crab 27, then, one of those days. It is a lot more sturdy than the Hawk and can also field 2 AMS. Okay, it is laser vomit, but it has quite good utility and can take quite some AMS ammo as well. I have one version with 11K rounds. That is 5 tons. And can take down about 1500-1750 missiles. Due to the fighting ability of the Crab, it is less of a liability than the Hawk.