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[Cyanogene]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 06:20 AM, said:

Those are canadian prices, and is similar across all brands. I like the fractal design cases, and in actuality, I would buy a Fractal Design R6 (which is more expensive than the one I picked). As far as the cooler, again, it is what I prefer to use, I can get 5.0Ghz+ overclocks with them and vent all my heat out of the case, leaving case fans to really only deal with the expelled heat of the GPU.

Well, I can understand your sentiment since I'm all about looks and stuff myself. Still, you absolutely can get way cheaper than the laptop while matching or even surpassing its power. And you know, gaming laptops aren't really that convenient for transport either. I used to own one and it was ******* massive, and it even came with a backpack to carry it around lol Not to mention the external power supply the size of a brick. Even when I'm in a pinch and really want to game on a go I'd rather do it on something slim and convenient, albeit the game will look ugly.

[Vxheous]

Cyanogene, on 20 March 2019 - 06:31 AM, said:

Well, I can understand your sentiment since I'm all about looks and stuff myself. Still, you absolutely can get way cheaper than the laptop while matching or even surpassing its power. And you know, gaming laptops aren't really that convenient for transport either. I used to own one and it was ******* massive, and it even came with a backpack to carry it around lol Not to mention the external power supply the size of a brick. Even when I'm in a pinch and really want to game on a go I'd rather do it on something slim and convenient, albeit the game will look ugly.

They're actually quite light nowadays. The first "gaming" laptop I owned (always in conjunction with a well built overclocked desktop) was an ASUS G74Sx that weighed like 13lbs + power supply brick. Now, my MSi GE-73 Raider weighs 6lb, and is quite comfortable to transport in a shoulder laptop bag. The laptop I used in between those two models was an AORUS x7, which was thin, but due to the full aluminum chassis, actually weighed in around 7.5lbs and was terrible on heat due to being so thin.

[Cyanogene]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 06:50 AM, said:

They're actually quite light nowadays. The first "gaming" laptop I owned (always in conjunction with a well built overclocked desktop) was an ASUS G74Sx that weighed like 13lbs + power supply brick. Now, my MSi GE-73 Raider weighs 6lb, and is quite comfortable to transport in a shoulder laptop bag. The laptop I used in between those two models was an AORUS x7, which was thin, but due to the full aluminum chassis, actually weighed in around 7.5lbs and was terrible on heat due to being so thin.

Yeah, mine had heat issues and after replacing the GPU 2 times, the screen LED and the mobo I was kinda fed up. Sold it at a fraction of original price to some dude, so there's that.

Edited by Cyanogene, 20 March 2019 - 07:02 AM.

[Vxheous]

Cyanogene, on 20 March 2019 - 07:02 AM, said:

Yeah, mine had heat issues and after replacing the GPU 2 times, the screen LED and the mobo I was kinda fed up. Sold it at a fraction of original price to some dude, so there's that.

My current laptop is the first time since I've owned gaming laptops where I can say performance wise it feels almost as if I was playing from my desktop. I run the exact same graphics settings from both computers, and I don't feel disadvantaged when playing shooters like Battlefield and Apex Legends, since my fps is 100+, with great fidelity.

[2DaT]

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($379.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($133.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($459.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer - G277HL bid 27.0" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Corsair - K63 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Logitech - G502 HERO Wired Optical Mouse ($69.70 @ Newegg)
Total: $1603.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-20 12:38 EDT-0400

Edited by 2DaT, 20 March 2019 - 08:47 AM.

[Vxheous]

2DaT, on 20 March 2019 - 08:41 AM, said:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($379.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: MSI - Z390-A PRO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($133.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: ADATA - XPG GAMMIX D10 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($88.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital - Blue 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate - BarraCuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte - GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB WINDFORCE Video Card ($459.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT - H500 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($81.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair - CX (2017) 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.98 @ Newegg)
Monitor: Acer - G277HL bid 27.0" 1920x1080 60 Hz Monitor ($139.99 @ Newegg)
Keyboard: Corsair - K63 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Mouse: Logitech - G502 HERO Wired Optical Mouse ($69.70 @ Newegg)
Total: $1603.56
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-03-20 12:38 EDT-0400

USD, compared to CAD. Also 60hz 27in monitor has poor pixel to size match for 1080p, highest you should go with 1080p is 24in, if I were to use 27in, it would be at least 2560x1440. Even still, 60Hz is peasant vision, you're going to pair a GTX 2070 with that that, smh. Corsair CX series is **** as a PSU (I mean it's acceptable but I personally wouldn't use them, at minimum, I'd go TX series). High end laptops all come with M.2 or NVMe SSD's, not generic SATA SSDs, so again, price difference (. As comparison, a CLEVO laptop on newegg (in USD) with 144hz and GSync, $1899. Your build with 144hz would end up being ~$100 price difference from the laptop, without the portability.

https://www.newegg.c...=9SIAATJ8UX0000

Edited by Vxheous, 20 March 2019 - 09:01 AM.

[Prototelis]

I actually built a gaming laptop some 12 years ago that was pretty dope.

Around the time that Dell bought alienware their 17" class laptops started using the same board as the alienware laptops the same size. I bought the most minimum 17inch laptop with a nvidia GPU I could, was around $900. Bought the ram on sale, already had the best Core2Duo available, bought the alienware GPU used on ebay for $100. The alienware laptops started at over 2 grand.

This was a 7950GTX GPU, around this time I think the GPU architecture was called MXM. It was removable, went onto the board with pins. Had to break some bits of plastic off inside of the case to get it to fit because it had an additional heat spreader.

Still have that laptop, but I don't use it anymore.

Was in a car accident, laptop was on the passenger seat. It flew all the way across the cab of my 79 Ford truck, hit me in the head (knocked me out, cut a gash six inches long in the right side of my face) then flew back through the passenger window. It still works, but the hardware is hilariously outdated so it sits in my closet, and the case is all kinds of smashed up.

[2DaT]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 08:48 AM, said:

USD, compared to CAD. Also 60hz 27in monitor has poor pixel to size match for 1080p, highest you should go with 1080p is 24in, if I were to use 27in, it would be at least 2560x1440. Even still, 60Hz is peasant vision, you're going to pair a GTX 2070 with that that, smh. Corsair CX series is **** as a PSU (I mean it's acceptable but I personally wouldn't use them, at minimum, I'd go TX series). High end laptops all come with M.2 or NVMe SSD's, not generic SATA SSDs, so again, price difference (. As comparison, a CLEVO laptop on newegg (in USD) with 144hz and GSync, $1899. Your build with 144hz would end up being ~$100 price difference from the laptop, without the portability.

https://www.newegg.c...=9SIAATJ8UX0000

Desktop everything is much more performant and nicer to use. I can't imagne playing a game on a small screen, because it breaks immerion.

[2DaT]

Ok, maybe you can buy something acceptable for the money, but not with an AMD gpu anyway (which OP wants). Also, cooling system matters a lot (and it's not something you can check on specs). And don't even think of overclocking a laptop, that's just dumb.

[Vxheous]

2DaT, on 20 March 2019 - 11:55 AM, said:

Ok, maybe you can buy something acceptable for the money, but not with an AMD gpu anyway (which OP wants). Also, cooling system matters a lot (and it's not something you can check on specs). And don't even think of overclocking a laptop, that's just dumb.

The GTX 1070 in my laptop is overclocked, boost clocks to 2Ghz (normal boost without overclock is around 1800 on the laptop). Temps for the GPU sit around 72*C

[2DaT]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

The GTX 1070 in my laptop is overclocked, boost clocks to 2Ghz (normal boost without overclock is around 1800 on the laptop). Temps for the GPU sit around 72*C

Tell that to furmark.

[Vxheous]

2DaT, on 20 March 2019 - 12:13 PM, said:

Tell that to furmark.

furmark not real game, how do you play it?

Edited by Vxheous, 20 March 2019 - 12:20 PM.

[2DaT]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

furmark not real game, how do you play it?

Show me 72*C @ 2GHZ on furmark then I would call that an overclock. Most likely your GPU is throttling even on normal usage though, because laptop cooling systems suck.

[Vxheous]

2DaT, on 20 March 2019 - 12:47 PM, said:

Show me 72*C @ 2GHZ on furmark then I would call that an overclock. Most likely your GPU is throttling even on normal usage though, because laptop cooling systems suck.

Again, how do you play furmark? Synthetics mean nothing, other than perhaps to stress test stability for max overclocks. Nvidia 10 series boost 3.0 all start "throttling" at 12mhz increments past 60*C, which coincidentally is also when most fans kick in on desktop GPUs. 2.0Ghz boost for a laptop 1070 at 72*C is perfectly acceptable for actual gaming.

The Intel Hex core 8750h on the other hand is a pain in the *** to cool. Had to undervolt it by 150mV, with laptop fans at full speed, stays in the mid 80s during gaming, but maintains clock speeds between 3.95Ghz to 4.1Ghz.

Edited by Vxheous, 20 March 2019 - 01:07 PM.

[2DaT]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 12:48 PM, said:

Again, how do you play furmark? Synthetics mean nothing, other than perhaps to stress test stability for max overclocks. Nvidia 10 series boost 3.0 all start "throttling" at 12mhz increments past 60*C, which coincidentally is also when most fans kick in on desktop GPUs. 2.0Ghz boost for a laptop 1070 at 72*C is perfectly acceptable for actual gaming.

The Intel Hex core 8750h on the other hand is a pain in the *** to cool. Had to undervolt it by 150mV, with laptop fans at full speed, stays in the mid 80s during gaming, but maintains clock speeds between 3.95Ghz to 4.1Ghz.

I doubt that your GPU can maintain 2.0 @ 72*C. under any considerable load (MWO does not count ).

[LT. HARDCASE]

People who poo poo laptops are just parroting the popular statements from a decade ago, and haven't paid any attention to the advancements made in that span. Gone are the times where only the 2" thick monsters could handle powerful GPUs, and that is because the cooling solutions have come a long way.

Yes the price to performance makes them solidly luxury tech, but the performance is fully there in the laptops which are built to handle the hardware.

Trololol gaming laptop is fully a 2007 point of view.

[Vxheous]

2DaT, on 20 March 2019 - 01:15 PM, said:

I doubt that your GPU can maintain 2.0 @ 72*C. under any considerable load (MWO does not count ).

I keep proving you wrong, and you keep changing the goalposts. Here's my laptop clocks after ~20 minutes of playing Apex Legends (I alt tabbed mid match and took a quick screenshot):

Edited by Vxheous, 20 March 2019 - 01:49 PM.

[Cyanogene]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 01:47 PM, said:

I keep proving you wrong, and you keep changing the goalposts. Here's my laptop clocks after ~20 minutes of playing Apex Legends (I alt tabbed mid match and took a quick screenshot):

First of all, Apex can run on a potato, because it's source engine. Then there's the issue of alt+tabbing, because your gpu can cool quite a bit. I suggest using GPU-Z to monitor your graphics card. You can set it to show maximum recorded temperature. Also, if you really wanna stress your card I suggest No Mans Sky. It always runs in a high priority mode and is a power hog.

[Vxheous]

Cyanogene, on 20 March 2019 - 01:54 PM, said:

First of all, Apex can run on a potato, because it's source engine. Then there's the issue of alt+tabbing, because your gpu can cool quite a bit. I suggest using GPU-Z to monitor your graphics card. You can set it to show maximum recorded temperature. Also, if you really wanna stress your card I suggest No Mans Sky. It always runs in a high priority mode and is a power hog.

Here's at 35 minutes, and no, it's not cooling off from alt-tab, the temps change after about 10 seconds alt tabbed out, dropping to mid 50's with core clock dropping to 1440mhz (I also have GPU-Z, so I can take a pic with that too):


Mass Effect Andromeda is probably the game that has pushed the laptop to it's max, and even still, my GPU clocks were sitting 1995mhz, max temp 76. I've proven everything I've said up to this point. I could probably boot up Battlefield 5 as well, but I'm telling you, I get the same thermals playing that game too. Also, if Apex legends can run on potato, why are fps on a GTX 1060 (hardly a potato card) in the low 70s?

https://www.gamersne...-1080p-1440p-4k

Edited by Vxheous, 20 March 2019 - 02:13 PM.

[Cyanogene]

Vxheous, on 20 March 2019 - 02:03 PM, said:

Here's at 35 minutes, and no, it's not cooling off from alt-tab, the temps change after about 10 seconds alt tabbed out, dropping to mid 50's:


Mass Effect Andromeda is probably the game that has pushed the laptop to it's max, and even still, my GPU clocks were sitting 1995mhz, max temp 76.

Dude, all this software by evga and similar stuff is your typical clutterware. If you want to monitor anything in your PC there are only 2 reliable programs - AIDA64 and GPU-Z (which is conveniently integrated into Furmark). Get yourself a synthetic stress test because it will show exactly how your GPU acts under major loads which only few games provide. You can play Apex for half a year probably and your GPU won't even reach top temps, because this crap can run on a potato.