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[Angel of Annihilation]

So looking at the new patch notes, I guess the devs submitted the wrong Warhammer IIC model to be placed in the game which is why it is so small compared to other 80 ton mechs. Whelp that is no more, now it is getting upscaled to at least 25% larger or more to be honest.

To compensate for this massive increase in size, they are giving us armor quirks, a total of 8 armor to the CT and 6 to the STs. Yeah somehow on a mech that is already so easy to core even at the smaller scale, I just don't think that 8 CT and 6 ST armor is going to mean much on the scaled up version.

PGI, great, your fixing the model but how about fixing the mech. It needed armor quriks and a mobility adjustment even with its smaller size, yet we are seriously only getting a measly 8 and 6 armor AFTER you upscale it. What the heck!!

[Gas Guzzler]

Yeah at least they upped the offensive quirks on some too. But TBH, positioning is the best armor.

[HammerMaster]

Didn't need it.
Did need mobility.

[FupDup]

Gas Guzzler, on 16 March 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

Yeah at least they upped the offensive quirks on some too.

Yeah, including 5% ATM heat and 5% PPC velocity.

I keep screaming at the top of my lungs that all the mech ever needed was more agility, but PGI seems to be giving it everything except agility.

Edited by FupDup, 16 March 2019 - 02:50 PM.

[Angel of Annihilation]

FupDup, on 16 March 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

Yeah, including 5% ATM heat and 5% PPC velocity.

I keep screaming at the top of my lungs that all the mech ever needed was more agility, but PGI seems to be giving it everything except agility.

It is going to need it even more now with the scale change.

On the other hand, I fixed my Warhammer IICs by going 100% all in on the Survival skill tree which gave them enough durability to make them comfortable to play so I am not 100% sure the mobility change is what they actually needed after all. However with 20-30% more surface area to shoot at after the scale change, well like I said, 8 more armor to a CT that was already fairly easy to core, isn't going to amount to much. I kind of feel like I am now going to need to be 100% all in on the survival tree just to get the Warhammer IIC to feel like it was when it was unskilled. I guess we will see but I am not too happy about the change, without significant buffs to mobility and larger buffs to armor attached.

[Spheroid]

Sweet, sweet vindication. https://mwomercs.com...31#entry6227831

[HammerMaster]

Spheroid, on 16 March 2019 - 03:18 PM, said:

Sweet, sweet vindication. https://mwomercs.com...31#entry6227831

Vindicated for being right.
Not for getting us a better mech.
It's worse now and not fixed quirkwise.

[The6thMessenger]

Just PGI doing PGI things.

I already ignored my Bludgeon.

[WrathOfDeadguy]

TBH, I'd much rather they fix the sluggish handling than add armor quirks to make up for the loss of scaling as an advantage. The extra armor will be completely negated by the larger hitboxes, and the 'Mech still can't twist, so if anything it's gonna get cored out even faster than before. They've "fixed" the 'Mech by breaking it.

[JediPanther]

An assault getting the light mech REscale treatment! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE HE HE HO HAW HAW HEE HOOO! How's that feel? My Jenners are laughing too along with the rest of my 35t hanger queens.

[Kanil]

JediPanther, on 16 March 2019 - 04:13 PM, said:

An assault getting the light mech REscale treatment! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HE HE HE HO HAW HAW HEE HOOO! How's that feel? My Jenners are laughing too along with the rest of my 35t hanger queens.

Now, now, this is different. The assault 'mech actually got some armor quirks to compensate for the fact that it's now larger.

Edited by Kanil, 16 March 2019 - 04:20 PM.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Should have just gave it reduced crit chance quirks, since that was a lore thing that would have helped the mech in this case. While I do like a bulkier Warhammer IIC, I'm on the same boat thinking that those slightly extra points in armor value are not going to really help it in the long run considering how easy it is to crit already.

[Nightbird]

Sweet sweet refund

[RickySpanish]

Hold on, some people actually purchased that lemon? Ouch. Shame they only added +8 armour instead of +8 int...

Edited by RickySpanish, 16 March 2019 - 04:43 PM.

[Koniving]

Angel of Annihilation, on 16 March 2019 - 02:24 PM, said:

So looking at the new patch notes, I guess the devs submitted the wrong Warhammer IIC model to be placed in the game which is why it is so small compared to other 80 ton mechs. Whelp that is no more, now it is getting upscaled to at least 25% larger or more to be honest.

From right to left, this is a 26% increase in size.

Keep in mind the bigger something already is, the exponentially less percentage necessary to make it bigger.


I don't have the model in order to tell you exactly how much bigger it is, but if this tells you anything...

This absolutely drastic change...
is a decrease in width by 2%.

In other words "25% at least" is a gross exaggeration, that would have it towering to roughly 23 meters tall..

[K O Z A K]

You do realize 25% increase in frontal profile dimension and 25% increase in volume is not the same thing?

[Koniving]

Hazeclaw, on 16 March 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:

You do realize 25% increase in frontal profile dimension and 25% increase in volume is not the same thing?

I do, however pulling the models out to do it right this second is not something I'm gonna bother doing as I'd have to look for the old external hard drives, fetch 'em out of storage, etc.

This said...
It's hardly a 25% increase in size. Furthermore...

Koniving, on 16 March 2019 - 07:22 PM, said:

Of the current scale...The Warhammer (IS) is 75 tons and 15.5 meters tall.

The Dragon is 13.5 meters tall.

The Warhammer IIC is just barely 14 meters tall.


See the issue?

Take a Warhammer IIC and a Wolfhound and put them next to each other...
The Warhammer IIC...is barely half a window taller.

One of those two is 35 tons, the other is 80....

Koniving, on 16 March 2019 - 07:29 PM, said:

35 ton Wolfhound, 45 ton Vindicator, 80 ton Warhammer IIC.

Koniving, on 16 March 2019 - 07:34 PM, said:

*Don't get me wrong, I think its acceleration should be at least 20 to 25, similar to the Warhawk's which is 20-ish. Its currently 13. But this was originally done while the Warhammer IIC was the size of a 45 ton mech. It's now gonna be B33FED up to the size of an incredibly tiny (for mwo standards) 80 ton mech...so it should be okay to have it accelerate quicker and be able to twist.

Edited by Koniving, 16 March 2019 - 09:03 PM.

[Koniving]

Side note, the image I used for the Commando was, supposedly, volumetrically scaled by the original poster.

https://mwomercs.com...metric-scaling/
Among craploads of others.
(26% increase in size to get 2 times volume.)

Edited by Koniving, 16 March 2019 - 09:03 PM.

[Koniving]

The "drastic 2% drop" in width for the Centurion which made a pretty damn big difference was just frontal profile scaling on the actual 3D model without tweaking anything else.

[Nightbird]

Koniving, on 16 March 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

From right to left, this is a 26% increase in size.

That's actually a 100% increase in volume, I did write that on the image you used.