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[Wolfos31]

LordNothing, on 31 March 2019 - 11:29 PM, said:

wow, look at all those features i neither want nor need. i for one want less platforms and more games.

That's fine if you don't need the features. But as someone who travels for work and constantly switches between a laptop and my home desktop cloud saves are a godsend.

I'd be perfectly happy if MW5 was released as a direct download/install game without any platform framework, but if it's going to use a platform I want it to be Steam.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

It's confirmed by the devs to be coming to Steam, as it has steamworks integration for Modding support.


FULL STOP, there's literally nothing else to be said in this topic. PGI has been committed to offering a moddable game to the community, and has been in contact dirrectly with modders on the official MW5 discord discussing and going over how to mod specific systems of the game.

They have been very, VERY open with how this process works. The likelyhood of MW5 becoming an epic exclusive is maybe 5% at this juncture. [I will admit,t he revenue split from EPIC IS a good move.]

Also consider, PGI is hyper sensitive right now to any negative press... a sudden, unplanned exclusive launch to the epic game store would likely be just enough bad press to wreck the company. And despite the amount of players of Fortnite... I don't think their install base that has the epic launcher, is enough to warrant the change, considering the established base for this game is likely utilizing Steam.

[Bombast]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 02 April 2019 - 08:53 AM, said:

And despite the amount of players of Fortnite... I don't think their install base that has the epic launcher, is enough to warrant the change, considering the established base for this game is likely utilizing Steam.

There was a survey or something done a couple weeks ago where they said a huge percentage of Epic's store userbase self-reported as console players, have never used Steam, and are unlikely to buy anything non-cosmetic.

[Athom83]

Bombast, on 02 April 2019 - 10:19 AM, said:

There was a survey or something done a couple weeks ago where they said a huge percentage of Epic's store userbase self-reported as console players, have never used Steam, and are unlikely to buy anything non-cosmetic.

Pretty sure it was around 40% IIRC.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Bombast, on 02 April 2019 - 10:19 AM, said:

There was a survey or something done a couple weeks ago where they said a huge percentage of Epic's store userbase self-reported as console players, have never used Steam, and are unlikely to buy anything non-cosmetic.

What's actually kind of funny about that is... on console I'm rather spoiled for mech games: Tons of gundam games [including the F2P Gundam: Battle Operation 2 which if you have a PS4 you can go play right now, for free, just by making a jpn psn account [the game can be played in english even!] Armored Core, Super Robot Wars... Sure a majority are japanese exclusive, but even those, are starting to come with an english language option.

The Mecha Genre is booming relatively well on Console... just not in the west. And we know, historically, with the exception of MechAssault which was the first Xbox Live online title... that Mechwarrior/Battletech doesn't do all that well on consoles... despite having a relatively rich history on the 16 bit consoles and on PSX and Saturn with Mech 2 Arcade edition, it just doesn't, Mechwarrior to most console gamers, is this mythical thing they've heard about that was on pc's years ago... hell most people I talk to, don't even remember Mech 2 anymore.

So yet another reason to ignore the Epic launcher [or at least, ignore it for exclusivity, I'm all for both platforms having the game] Because players just won't be interested. I mean your average fortnit-er is what... 15?

[Peter2k]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 02 April 2019 - 08:53 AM, said:

[I will admit,t he revenue split from EPIC IS a good move.]

PGI can still offer MW5 at the Epic store if they want, the angst is about exclusive (which would probably mean cold hard cash for PGI).

Also its not "just" the split, if using unreal engine then the Dev`s don't have to pay the royalties either.


Still the Steam mod support is probably telling the most, in the recent video from Ars Technica they talked about modding a bit, so that`s still in.

Anjian, on 31 March 2019 - 10:17 PM, said:

Switching MW5 to Epic Store instead of Steam amounts to financial suicide.

That's been said for more than one game though.

Exodus sold well it seems.

JediPanther, on 01 April 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:

Given the high number of games I have on steam some of which I can only find on steam,pgi would have to pay me a lot of money to drop steam

Shrugs

When I launch Far Cry on Steam it nagges me if the UbiSoft launcher isn't installed

Grus, on 29 March 2019 - 02:28 PM, said:

EPIC would have to actually think it would sell a ton of copies first..

Shrugs; squared

Rebel Galaxy Outlaw is an exclusive, that`s being developed by a team of 4 people or so.

I would guess its more up to the potential of the game and if it fills a niche

Edited by Peter2k, 04 April 2019 - 01:10 PM.

[Cazador88]

Epic certainly won't be paying for MW5 to be their next exclusive title, and if PGI decides to only sell the game on that store they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Im not worried it will probably be available through steam too or just steam.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Peter2k, on 04 April 2019 - 01:05 PM, said:

PGI can still offer MW5 at the Epic store if they want, the angst is about exclusive (which would probably mean cold hard cash for PGI).

Also its not "just" the split, if using unreal engine then the Dev`s don't have to pay the royalties either.

Quite true, and I'm ALL for PGI releasing on multiple platforms, frankly the more spread out the game can get, the bigger audience.

That being said, I have a bit of a hard time thinking that anyone who plays Mechwarrior in general historically, hasn't seen that MWO is on steam [though I did run into one guy who only recently heard about MWO, I don't know where that guy was since 2012 but okay...].

But again, like I'd said, if they went exclusive, it would be financial suicide, the amount of money they'd save by going exclusive, would be pennies compaired to the active lost sales, bad PR, and just overall hate that would be thrown their way.

I mean, we all remember TRANSVERSE right? That wasn't even a platform split, and the community practically revolted. Do you REALLY think they'd go Epic exclusive right now with the negative press it would likely garner them? I really don't think so, especially with how the team has come off recently in interviews regarding how this game has to succeed.

[Peter2k]

No reason not to offer it on more than one platform, Hell others said they will not touch MW5 unless GOG.

At least Epic sales would offer something for PGI, though not sure if it still matters to me.

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 05 April 2019 - 05:55 AM, said:

I have a bit of a hard time thinking that anyone who plays Mechwarrior in general historically, hasn't seen that MWO is on steam

While Mechwarrioir ≠ Battletech

The Image, on 21 December 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

If my last trip to the local Comic Book/Games Store is any indication, there is a LARGE untapped market of BattleTech fans who don't know this game, nor the HBS BattleTech game exists.

I went there last week one evening on the way home from work to get some gifts for my kid and there were two large tables of groups playing BattleTech, I wandered over and started talking and they asked me if I wanted to play and I stated I couldn't it was practice night for MWO. Of which the response was, "What's MWO?"

To quote myself here

Peter2k, on 22 December 2018 - 05:07 AM, said:

Then they should make sure that both games (or all 3; MWO, MW5, Battletech by Harebrained) get a printed out ad into the games / kits from Catalyst Game Labs
maybe with a coupon for some free mechs/MC/premium time

Catalyst Game Labs was at MechCon, so maybe another missed opportunity.
I'm sure for a rather small pay PGI could've gotten a pamphlet on MWO/MW5 or BattleTech into the kits with a promo on the back.

Edited by Peter2k, 05 April 2019 - 09:42 AM.

[Peter2k]

tollas669, on 04 April 2019 - 08:22 PM, said:

Epic certainly won't be paying for MW5 to be their next exclusive title

Not that I'm hopeful/optimistic with MW5 overly much, but why?

How many Mech games does the Epic store offer? Even in a year or 2?

How many titles with RTX features?
With a long standing franchise?

If you know what Rebel Galaxy Outlaw is (and you were outraged at it being an Epic exclusive for a year) then maybe you are right, but if you haven't heard of it before, or only vaguely, then maybe there is a chance/fear for exclusivity.

Except PGI promised moddability (Steam), but then I can mod Battletech from GOG just fine.


Its not that PGI could just provide Steam keys for everyone who pre-ordered and just have sales at release in Epic store only, not like there is a precedence, or 3.

Edited by Peter2k, 05 April 2019 - 10:02 AM.

[Rhaezor]

I want it to be on steam no doubt. but hell I also would love that piranha and MW5 could PROFIT on this silly exclusives trend and take a big sum from EPIC. I wouldnt be mad.

[Athom83]

Rhaezor, on 08 April 2019 - 06:55 AM, said:

I want it to be on steam no doubt. but hell I also would love that piranha and MW5 could PROFIT on this silly exclusives trend and take a big sum from EPIC. I wouldnt be mad.

Should then come with a free "Congratulations! You are now a part of the Chineese bot net!" card with download of the Epic launcher.

Edited by Athom83, 08 April 2019 - 06:59 AM.

[Cazador88]

Peter2k, on 05 April 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

Not that I'm hopeful/optimistic with MW5 overly much, but why?

How many Mech games does the Epic store offer? Even in a year or 2?

How many titles with RTX features?
With a long standing franchise?

If you know what Rebel Galaxy Outlaw is (and you were outraged at it being an Epic exclusive for a year) then maybe you are right, but if you haven't heard of it before, or only vaguely, then maybe there is a chance/fear for exclusivity.

Except PGI promised moddability (Steam), but then I can mod Battletech from GOG just fine.


Its not that PGI could just provide Steam keys for everyone who pre-ordered and just have sales at release in Epic store only, not like there is a precedence, or 3.

Epic is mostly after big titles nowadays and some smaller ones that are hyped up. Mechwarrior 5? Barely anyone outside of the few fan groups (Battletech game and MWO) knows MW5 is coming at all. I know Rebel Galaxy Outlaw is going to be exclusive for a year but in my opinion it wouldve been better to refuse the exclusivity offer and release it on every store possible or even just make a store on their own website and sell it from there. They wouldve made a lot more money in the long run right from the start. After their lame try at joking about SC while Outlaw was clearly inspired by Freelancer i say they deserve each other with Epic though.

[Nesutizale]

The last AMA talked about it a little bit. They have talked to Epic, as they did to all other stores and so far Epic doesn't seam to be interested while it will also come to GOG, as far as I understood it.

[Armored Yokai]

It's happening!!!

[Kubernetes]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 02 April 2019 - 08:53 AM, said:

It's confirmed by the devs to be coming to Steam, as it has steamworks integration for Modding support.


FULL STOP, there's literally nothing else to be said in this topic. PGI has been committed to offering a moddable game to the community, and has been in contact dirrectly with modders on the official MW5 discord discussing and going over how to mod specific systems of the game.

They have been very, VERY open with how this process works. The likelyhood of MW5 becoming an epic exclusive is maybe 5% at this juncture. [I will admit,t he revenue split from EPIC IS a good move.]

Also consider, PGI is hyper sensitive right now to any negative press... a sudden, unplanned exclusive launch to the epic game store would likely be just enough bad press to wreck the company. And despite the amount of players of Fortnite... I don't think their install base that has the epic launcher, is enough to warrant the change, considering the established base for this game is likely utilizing Steam.

Lmao, PGI just said "Hold my beer."

[MeiSooHaityu]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 02 April 2019 - 08:53 AM, said:

It's confirmed by the devs to be coming to Steam, as it has steamworks integration for Modding support.

Also PGI after looking at customer's sighs of relief...

Edited by MeiSooHaityu, 25 July 2019 - 10:15 AM.

[Nightbird]

Yeah... whoever that works at EPIC didn't do their homework.... oh well, they have money to burn and PGI got a windfall, only the customers are screwed

[Ahh Screw it - WATCH THIS]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 02 April 2019 - 08:53 AM, said:

It's confirmed by the devs to be coming to Steam, as it has steamworks integration for Modding support.


FULL STOP, there's literally nothing else to be said in this topic. PGI has been committed to offering a moddable game to the community, and has been in contact dirrectly with modders on the official MW5 discord discussing and going over how to mod specific systems of the game.

They have been very, VERY open with how this process works. The likelyhood of MW5 becoming an epic exclusive is maybe 5% at this juncture. [I will admit,t he revenue split from EPIC IS a good move.]

Also consider, PGI is hyper sensitive right now to any negative press... a sudden, unplanned exclusive launch to the epic game store would likely be just enough bad press to wreck the company. And despite the amount of players of Fortnite... I don't think their install base that has the epic launcher, is enough to warrant the change, considering the established base for this game is likely utilizing Steam.

This did not age well.

[Armored Yokai]

Nightbird, on 25 July 2019 - 10:47 AM, said:

Yeah... whoever that works at EPIC didn't do their homework.... oh well, they have money to burn and PGI got a windfall, only the customers are screwed

Hold me