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[Xiphias]

Bud Crue, on 11 April 2019 - 08:22 AM, said:

I'm sure you are correct.
I was following the game development back then but didn't play, and was trying to piece things together via google.
Is it possible there was overlap (a 4v4 and an 8v8 mode)?

I perused the old PGI announcements and came across this:
https://mwomercs.com...review-dec-7th/
that seems to suggest 8v8 was added back in while the 4ve mode was still going.

Also this, suggests that maybe 8v8 was a seperate mode that had a rocky start?
https://mwomercs.com...n-8v8-in-a-row/

Anyone remember for sure? This is gonna drive me nuts.

Looking at those links I think I know where the confusion is coming from. As far as I can recall the queue has always been 8v8 until it went to 12v12.

However, there weren't always separate group and solo queues. Similar to FP at the moment, groups would get matched against pure solo players. This led to a lot of complaining from the solo players. As a result PGI at one point limited groups to a maximum size of 4 players. This led to some pushback from groups who couldn't play with their friends so if I remember correctly PGI implemented an 8v8 group only matchmaker (what comp players used to sync drop). Basically, you could drop in groups of 4 or less or in a group of 8. All the matches were still 8v8 though.

It's been a long time so I could be confusing some of the details, but I'm pretty sure that's the context those post are in.

Edit: If you look at this timeline you can see that to be the case:
https://www.tiki-tok...!panel=2481784!
https://www.tiki-tok...!panel=2481831!

Edited by Xiphias, 11 April 2019 - 09:04 AM.

[Dimento Graven]

Xiphias, on 11 April 2019 - 09:01 AM, said:

Looking at those links I think I know where the confusion is coming from. As far as I can recall the queue has always been 8v8 until it went to 12v12.

However, there weren't always separate group and solo queues. Similar to FP at the moment, groups would get matched against pure solo players. This led to a lot of complaining from the solo players. As a result PGI at one point limited groups to a maximum size of 4 players. This led to some pushback from groups who couldn't play with their friends so if I remember correctly PGI implemented an 8v8 group only matchmaker (what comp players used to sync drop). Basically, you could drop in groups of 4 or less or in a group of 8. All the matches were still 8v8 though.

It's been a long time so I could be confusing some of the details, but I'm pretty sure that's the context those post are in.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I'd forgotten about the old group limitations. God, those 4 member group size limitations SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED...

[Big Tin Man]

Dear god please keep the classic maps!


They're the only 'new' maps we're going to see this year.

[Trooper60709]

Some of the classic maps are better and more interesting. There are more deliberate design features in the old versions.

[Prototelis]

No.

[Revener]

They are nice, the new big forest colony is horrible and boring compard to the original one same goes for Frozen City.
Bigger maps but actually less fun and dynamic.

[The6thMessenger]

I like the classic maps. It's different mix of stupid, cause I'm tired of all the fruitless nascar.

[Scout Derek]

this is honestly a bad suggestion, real talk.

[LordNothing]

Steel Raven, on 30 March 2019 - 05:27 AM, said:

I'm getting tiered of the forum whining about every map in the game.

The problem is not the maps.

perhaps the lack of new maps. but still with so few maps in the game its amazing anyone is asking pgi to delete them. its silly. and this goes for any 'x should be removed from game' type posts. stop being stupid.

[ShadowFire]

NO...

[Tordin]

You not remove maps, maps remove you!
No deal bueno!
Also no voting maps because again maps all should rule os by the mighty Rnadom god algorithm of maps!

[Tarl Cabot]

Dimento Graven, on 11 April 2019 - 09:04 AM, said:

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I'd forgotten about the old group limitations. God, those 4 member group size limitations SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKED...

Remember, that went both ways, it sucked for teams forming up and it sucked for the solo pugs for different reasons. Teams almost always utilized external VOIP since PGI in their infinite wisdom did not have it as part of the game until finalizing it in Feb 2015.. AFTER CW (aka FP for newbies) had gone live.

Nor where there markers to indicate who was on a team nor how many teams per side, so sides may not have been balanced in that aspect, afaik a side either had no grouped players, or may have had anywhere from 2-man to 4-man. Attempted to generate a timeline below using generated threads.

01-24-2017 cXL - Increase in heat dissipation penalty from 20% to 40% (many were expecting a change to isXL..)

09-24-2015 Clarifications about Tiers/PSR..../ same month cXL also received movement penalty of 20%
https://mwomercs.com...-tiers-and-psr/

08-18-2015 New PSR system....
https://mwomercs.com...30-18-aug-2015/

02-17-2015 VOIP functionality using integrated team speak SDK.
https://mwomercs.com...bruary-roadmap/

12-11-2014 Community Warfare Beta Release
https://mwomercs.com...y-warfare-beta/

10-07-2014 cXL - Heat Penalty w/loss of one side torso 20% / isXL still dies to loss of one ST
https://mwomercs.com...tober-road-map/

09-08-2014 PGI bought out/kicked out IGP (publisher)
https://mwomercs.com...ux-infinis-igp/

06-23-2014 MM updates incoming
https://mwomercs.com...sizes-and-more/

06-17-2014 Clans are here (fyi for newer players, no heat dissipation nor movement penalty when 1st ST is destroyed....
https://mwomercs.com...nsmission-pt-2/

05-02-2014 Bug in 12vs12, including 12-man dropping with mixed queue
https://mwomercs.com...-module-update/

04-24-2014 Testing of 12vs12 and queue times 3/3/3/3
https://mwomercs.com...ic-test-update/

04-14-2014 On backburner an idea for Group Only queue
https://mwomercs.com...and-team-sizes/

02-27-2014 Stats on Matches 84% solo, 8% 2-man, 3-4-man 4% each
https://mwomercs.com...93-feb-27-2014/

02-03-2014 Omnimech Rules/Construction - original setup
https://mwomercs.com...d-construction/

01-21-2014 Some discussion on MM (Elo)
https://mwomercs.com...ate-jan-212014/

09-30-2013 CW - Founding a Merc Unit (intended creation..)
https://mwomercs.com...re-association/

09-17-2013 Game Offically Released

04-12-2013 MM update Phase 4
https://mwomercs.com...ted-april-19th/

02-21-2013 MM update
https://mwomercs.com...-making-update/

12-07-12 Added back 8 vs. 8 mode
https://mwomercs.com...review-dec-7th/

10-30-2012 Groups limited to 4
https://mwomercs.com...79-matchmaking/

10-29-2012 Start of Open Beta - And the letter post from Russ... which is sad to read now....
https://mwomercs.com...ck-on-open-beta

05-22-2012 Start of Closed Beta

And I forgot about the Timeline sheet Xiphias posted in the above post. It certainly would have saved me some time and the Google search engine

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 22 June 2019 - 06:30 AM.