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[Y E O N N E]

I got rekt that match; Lights on right flank were pushing stupidly into your team and feeding kills, forcing a commit. Team behind me got cold feet on that commit and I was out in the open. That, along with no skills reduced damage output to pathetic levels.

Jarl's is really just a litmus test. If a player is in the top 1%, you can expect them to be pretty good more often than not. You can also expect anybody less than 90% to be pretty mediocre. Beyond that, it's not much use.

[Alienized]

Y E O N N E, on 20 April 2019 - 12:11 PM, said:

I got rekt that match; Lights on right flank were pushing stupidly into your team and feeding kills, forcing a commit. Team behind me got cold feet on that commit and I was out in the open. That, along with no skills reduced damage output to pathetic levels.

thats really why i prefer mobile assaults/heavies and dont go into the middle/water there. cave is my fave spot. i am most likely there everytime ^.-

just good to see top players struggle just like me at times

[Y E O N N E]

I wouldn't call me a top player. I'm no Bows3r or Proton, not even close, and I make stupid plays all the time, too.

[4rcs1ne]

Y E O N N E, on 20 April 2019 - 11:42 AM, said:

Jarl's only counts match score. You abuse any mechanic that gives you match score (e.g. damage) and you will get a high rating. There are multipliers that inflate scores for Light and Medium and deflate scores for Heavy and Assault.

So, basically, be goddamn amazing at doing tons of damage and you win Jarl's.

Fair. It's nothing more than a general metric demonstrating where you are compared to others. Sure it's flawed, but it's a hell of a lot better than the current MWO leaderboard.

Edited by Matt2496, 20 April 2019 - 12:47 PM.

[Alienized]

Y E O N N E, on 20 April 2019 - 12:30 PM, said:

I wouldn't call me a top player. I'm no Bows3r or Proton, not even close, and I make stupid plays all the time, too.

you are surely better than i am too bows3r usually wipes the floor with me =( but he is also so damn ultra serious all time...^^

[Bishop Six]

Matt2496, on 20 April 2019 - 10:56 AM, said:

If you want to see how good you are, check the Jarl's list.

https://leaderboard.isengrim.org/

Sorry i dont play QP verymuch. More into FP 95 % of my time.

[thievingmagpi]

Alienized, on 20 April 2019 - 12:48 PM, said:

you are surely better than i am too bows3r usually wipes the floor with me =( but he is also so damn ultra serious all time...^^

Proton ultra serious all the time?

**high pitched waaaaaagh**

[Alienized]

thievingmagpi, on 20 April 2019 - 06:14 PM, said:

Proton ultra serious all the time?

**high pitched waaaaaagh**

not proton >_> tbh havent seen him in QP for a long time

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 19 April 2019 - 11:09 PM, said:

Holy crap! Omg...you are out to flame aren't you? Other than the problem of Assault mechs posts. You that lonely fat kid?

He's not trying to flame you. All he did was give his assessment of how you performed.

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I know I wasn't with my team mates after. I was with 4 other in the valley. All happened very fast after that jumping mist lyxe (jumped over valley). Then found myself alone,

GuardDogg, on 20 April 2019 - 09:21 AM, said:

Look, all 5 of us were in valley, (while others were all over the map.) I was on the right. A Mist lynx jumped over valley from center. Two guys yelled out. "Get that Lynx." So, we did. But waiting for it to return,

That is known as "chasing a squirrel" and "overextending". Both are mistakes you should avoid - and if you see your team committing them, be the voice of reason and remind them to stop chasing the light and regroup.
"Waiting for it to return" makes a negative amount of sense. Not only you're giving up initiative and letting your opponent control the engagement, if the light pilot had any sense he would certainly take a different route for his next attack run and you'd be waiting something that will never happen.

GuardDogg, on 19 April 2019 - 11:25 PM, said:

My experience? I didn't say about poor play??

What you wrote did read like you were trying to blame the situation on your team.

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You drunk? I wasn't going to do good in this round, due to a lot of things happening, and what some were suggesting on mic. So I let it ride and do best. So I lost, what is your problem? What do you want? For me to have a heart attact? Because you are rising up my blood pressure right now. Doing a good job at it.

Careful. It sounds like you are trying to flame Ash here.

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Furthermore, I would never post on a players play/movement. Maybe the guy is having a bad round, or what ever.

Or maybe the guy is not aware of making basic mistakes he can improve upon if he learns to accept the feedback he receives instead of trying to paint it as a mortal offense.

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Appears, you are out to humiliate the person. How would it be if some person wrote about your round in a post?

Knowing Ash, he would take it into account and try to avoid the same mistake in the future. Of course, he wouldn't have made the described mistake in the first place.

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My blood pressure went very high after the post. I had to defend it. And will always will. It was embarrassing/humiliating about a difficult round. That I had to get off.

Stop taking things so damn personal. You're not condemned to a single unchanging level of performance unless you choose to be . And so far you've been defending bad decisions and ignorance . Get over it. I did when I was in your position a few years back, and you can do the same if you put in a little effort in better understanding what you are doing. Set a goal, focus on it and stay at it until you reach it - and then set another, higher goal.

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That wasn't advice, that was an insult to let others know how I played in a round.

If knowing how you played in a match is an insult in and of itself, then it's a sign to improve how you're playing. Nothing less and nothing more. You're not defined by your skill level, but you define how high you let said skill advance - or, as it might be, decay.

[GuardDogg]

Horseman, on 21 April 2019 - 03:19 AM, said:

He's not trying to flame you. All he did was give his assessment of how you performed.

OMG, Wtf? Why does do you guys keep bringing me back here? And I will always will.
It wasn't an assessment. It was more of an embarrassment of a bad play I been in, to others in the forums. "I saw GuardDog in game. Mister PTSD guy." And "Dude you were not with your team mates" You or some may not feel or see it. But I did. How would you feel if I wrote in forums about your bad play to others?

I got many advice, and so others can get it as well. Because I am sure I am not the only one. Some just play, but sometimes it is not to their fair share of what they think MWO should be. They couldn't care about the points, or leaderboards, or other. But some do point it out, how a person plays. And it can be miss leading on the person themselves.

This main thread is suppose to be about the problems of other class pilots to Assaults pilots and not one person. For the past week, been silence on the Battlefield due to the release of the Mad-II. Let it go there, and stay there. Do not bring me back to defend. Because if you do write anymore on me, to me in this thread. You got more of a issue on me. You have basement problems. It is common sense. I will let this thread go to 100+ pages or until it is locked.

Edited by GuardDogg, 21 April 2019 - 08:23 AM.

[Andross Deverow]

Relishcakes, on 14 April 2019 - 11:14 AM, said:

Go play any light, and tell me again that assaults have less armor than lights.

Its not the armor its the broken mechanic of lights in general. A light should fear an assault mech but PGI has an affinity with light mechs making them almost impossible to take down. Pen and Paper should be observed more to be realistic in terms of lore. When a urbanmech or any other light mech can face tank an assault its just plain BS. This is why the population has gravitated towards Heavies and you see so few assaults on the field. Other than event times at least.

Regards

[YueFei]

GuardDogg, on 21 April 2019 - 08:18 AM, said:

OMG, Wtf? Why does do you guys keep bringing me back here? And I will always will.
It wasn't an assessment. It was more of an embarrassment of a bad play I been in, to others in the forums. "I saw GuardDog in game. Mister PTSD guy." And "Dude you were not with your team mates" You or some may not feel or see it. But I did. How would you feel if I wrote in forums about your bad play to others?

I got many advice, and so others can get it as well. Because I am sure I am not the only one. Some just play, but sometimes it is not to their fair share of what they think MWO should be. They couldn't care about the points, or leaderboards, or other. But some do point it out, how a person plays. And it can be miss leading on the person themselves.

This main thread is suppose to be about the problems of other class pilots to Assaults pilots and not one person. For the past week, been silence on the Battlefield due to the release of the Mad-II. Let it go there, and stay there. Do not bring me back to defend. Because if you do write anymore on me, to me in this thread. You got more of a issue on me. You have basement problems. It is common sense. I will let this thread go to 100+ pages or until it is locked.

"These screws are lousy, I can't hammer them in" -You
"Try using it the way it was intended, with a screw driver" -Everyone else
"Stop telling me how I'm using it wrong, this thread isn't about me." -You again

LOL

[GuardDogg]

^
Derailing main topic.

Edited by GuardDogg, 21 April 2019 - 09:02 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

GuardDogg, on 21 April 2019 - 09:01 AM, said:

^
Derailing main topic.

Drawing an analogy to illustrate the nature of your complaint is not "derailing the main topic."

[GuardDogg]

Andross Deverow, on 21 April 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

Its not the armor its the broken mechanic of lights in general. A light should fear an assault mech but PGI has an affinity with light mechs making them almost impossible to take down. Pen and Paper should be observed more to be realistic in terms of lore. When a urbanmech or any other light mech can face tank an assault its just plain BS. This is why the population has gravitated towards Heavies and you see so few assaults on the field. Other than event times at least.

Regards

Yup

Y E O N N E, on 21 April 2019 - 09:04 AM, said:

Drawing an analogy to illustrate the nature of your complaint is not "derailing the main topic."

Not about Assaults. Get to main problem of Assaults class getting blamed for not doing their job when they are. Not about a person.

Anymore?

Edited by GuardDogg, 21 April 2019 - 09:07 AM.

[GuardDogg]

Darian DelFord, on 15 April 2019 - 06:16 AM, said:

So you mean like I tried to tell this assault where to go??

Poster had a great example of a terrible Assault pilot. If I had this light pilot behind me, I would agree to his advice. It is called working together. One of the best light pilots I have seen, and it is on video. To bad it ended up in failure, due to the assault pilot. And then their is Assault pilots that do their job, and get blamed. Why are you not here? The other day, the team I was in brought down two assaults that were in front easy. And they were down in less than a Minute. Who are the last survivors? A light. Round lasted 3 minutes. So, really not many have a answer, but like to blame the round on assaults (mostly).

Edited by GuardDogg, 21 April 2019 - 09:19 AM.

[Sjorpha]

Guarddogg, I understand that your actual main topic wasn't that assaults are weak but rather that assault pilots often get unfairly blamed more than deserved when it's the whole teams fault for losing. And yes sometimes running away from a teammate who can't catch up is an issue, not just in Nascar situations but also sometimes in the late game you see faster mechs abandoning a heavier teammate when they could have fought better together.

So yeah, don't blame other people when you loose, judge your own performance and ask what you could have done better. But that goes both ways, don't blame assaults for being slow but also don't blame faster mechs for using their speed.

But the we have posts like this and you saying "yup", this is where the topic changes:

Andross Deverow, on 21 April 2019 - 08:45 AM, said:

Its not the armor its the broken mechanic of lights in general. A light should fear an assault mech but PGI has an affinity with light mechs making them almost impossible to take down. Pen and Paper should be observed more to be realistic in terms of lore. When a urbanmech or any other light mech can face tank an assault its just plain BS. This is why the population has gravitated towards Heavies and you see so few assaults on the field. Other than event times at least.

Regards

Because it simply isn't true. We know that assaults are much stronger than lights. We know that lights cannot facetank assaults if the assault pilot can aim.

It's fake news. There is data on performance per weight class and assaults are objectively the best performing class in the game. And that data includes all active players so it's not even that only good players do best in assaults, most people do.

If you don't want the topic derailed, then don't derail it by making that kind of evidently false claims.

Those false claims is why you keep getting "git gud" type answers, it is because generally speaking only really bad pilots are under the misapprehension that lights are strong and assaults are weak when the opposite is true.

[thievingmagpi]

There's a certain question of visibility too.

You see some light get 6 kills and do 1200 damage? Ohhh lights OP.

You see some assault do that? Ok, that's normal.

Conversely:

You see a light get bounced and do double digit damage? Lol business as usual

You see an assault get rekt and do double digit damage? Dude... play a different mech.

Frankly we see a lot of the former. There are a lot of assault pilots who regularly do not pull their own weight. Turns out there are also some skilled light pilots who know how to take advantage of that.

[Y E O N N E]

GuardDogg, on 21 April 2019 - 09:06 AM, said:

Not about Assaults. Get to main problem of Assaults class getting blamed for not doing their job when they are. Not about a person.

Anymore?

It was about your argument, not your person.

Any more?

[GuardDogg]

Y E O N N E, on 21 April 2019 - 10:22 AM, said:

It was about your argument, not your person.

Any more?

Thread soon to be locked. Your post is not irrelevant to main issues. It has been derailed.