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[Dimento Graven]

Brauer, on 19 February 2020 - 10:53 AM, said:

I've been left behind when I make positioning errors, but then I am able to identify my mistakes and don't blame the team for my own decision to go full potato. Try acknowledging your mistakes rather than blaming the game, leg humpers, or fellow players.

So when you move directly towards the battle at 50kph, not making any mistakes, and all the fast mediums and lights are dying and screaming over comms about you hiding in the back, you don't blame them?

[Brauer]

Dimento Graven, on 19 February 2020 - 11:27 AM, said:

So when you move directly towards the battle at 50kph, not making any mistakes, and all the fast mediums and lights are dying and screaming over comms about you hiding in the back, you don't blame them?

I don't remember that happening much, but I'd just ignore them and play the game.

[Dimento Graven]

Brauer, on 19 February 2020 - 11:54 AM, said:

I don't remember that happening much, but I'd just ignore them and play the game.

I hear you on that. Though it appears that some people come to the forums and start (resurrect) threads along the lines of "Hey, you don't like me being behind you, then stop leaving me behind."

Either way, people are having fun...

[Brauer]

BLOODWOLF333, on 19 February 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

I've screwed myself a few times, trying to support/save/escort a slow mech or a mech who pushed out too far and is in a bad situation and we both end up dead. Often times I will see another player starting to get tunnel vision and pulled further and further away and I will yell at them, "you are too far out you have no support over there!" or, "hey Hellbringer, you are getting left behind we are shifting left!" Sometimes they listen. Sometimes Im the one getting tunnel vision for that sweet piranha kill and the team leaves me or I get led astray :\

It takes time to develop a feel for where to be, when you can expose or push, etc.. Just keep at it.

[martian]

Dimento Graven, on 19 February 2020 - 07:43 AM, said:

Kind of a stupid assumption but...

I think it's 'monstrously' stupid to rush pell-mell to the center of the map all in a line based off of 'mech speed only to be crushed by the enemy who may have gotten there a little slowly, but as a more organized 'murder ball'...

I have seen it many many times.

[Bistrorider]

Brauer, on 19 February 2020 - 10:03 AM, said:

If you play it right at least 9 times out of 10 you can be the slowest one and still be fast enough as long as you are going around 48kph. If you are severely underengined (like 32kph) or take bad paths there's really no helping the straggler in most cases, so it is best to just move on and get kills asap as the lone mech gets yanked.

The real issue with Nascar, in terms of effectiveness, is when mechs are rotating without shooting. If you're shooting and using all your heat you can still be an asset to your team, especially if you don't commit serious errors of positioning while rotating (spending time in low ground on Canyon or hibernal for example).

My Sleipnir runs around 50kph and doesn't get left behind and performs well. So it sounds like you're doing something wrong if you get left behind all the time.

Of course I do something wrong when I play assaults, first of all I'm scared I tank 50-60kph looking at the minimap and map and sometimes I already know what will happen. Right now it's most challenging class for me. So we can agree on that there is no sense in covering the straggler or assault who is noticeably far from the team because of his mistakes or some solo action death wish. But I saw some actions were the slowest one was desperately trying to keep up with the team and was left behind. If enemy team is moving in tight formation, fast mechs from our team will meet enemy assaults faster than our assaults will move to support them. It's simple rule. Especially if fast ones are running blindly and don't want, can't, or don't know how to disengage. As for assaults goes, imo it's good to cover them when the rumble starts. Let's say my team did everyting good, and assaults took good positions. The lights trying to get to assaults rear are just a matter of time.
Still it's a mystery for me how the matches goes sometimes, especially in QP. We should move in some formation, like wedge, line, echelon but we are moving in a column which is play tag withing it's own team. We can take some good, surprising positions, but we are running to so called optimum position. Of course you will say I can use mike, propose something, take a lead. But somehow I don't feel I'm the one who should do that. Feel too green to propose something big.

[Brauer]

Bistrorider, on 20 February 2020 - 03:13 AM, said:

Of course I do something wrong when I play assaults, first of all I'm scared I tank 50-60kph looking at the minimap and map and sometimes I already know what will happen. Right now it's most challenging class for me. So we can agree on that there is no sense in covering the straggler or assault who is noticeably far from the team because of his mistakes or some solo action death wish. But I saw some actions were the slowest one was desperately trying to keep up with the team and was left behind. If enemy team is moving in tight formation, fast mechs from our team will meet enemy assaults faster than our assaults will move to support them. It's simple rule. Especially if fast ones are running blindly and don't want, can't, or don't know how to disengage. As for assaults goes, imo it's good to cover them when the rumble starts. Let's say my team did everyting good, and assaults took good positions. The lights trying to get to assaults rear are just a matter of time.
Still it's a mystery for me how the matches goes sometimes, especially in QP. We should move in some formation, like wedge, line, echelon but we are moving in a column which is play tag withing it's own team. We can take some good, surprising positions, but we are running to so called optimum position. Of course you will say I can use mike, propose something, take a lead. But somehow I don't feel I'm the one who should do that. Feel too green to propose something big.

Re: formations, that should really be determined by where cover is, where power positions are, and where the enemy is. The groups that try to stick to wedge/line/column are RPing and are generally not very successful.

[Bistrorider]

Brauer, on 20 February 2020 - 09:01 AM, said:

Re: formations, that should really be determined by where cover is, where power positions are, and where the enemy is. The groups that try to stick to wedge/line/column are RPing and are generally not very successful.

You're right and I'm glad that you wrote it. It's very important to remember.

[The pessimistic optimist]

God when I am in my Cipher I love when the enemy team dose that! I will run behind the enemy team and depending on the situation rip it's leg off and leave it there or just core it outright.

Edited by SirSmokes, 22 February 2020 - 01:48 PM.

[Arnold Ace Rimmer]

Quick play teams mirror the movie Smokin' Aces. As a Tier 5 assault player I have the following to add.

1. Watch the patterns of where teams engage and light mechs are first seen on the mini map.
2. Keep one lance between you and those points.
3. When a light finds you put your back against something because it's your weak spot.
4. Don't be Little Bill Daggett and say, "I don't deserve this—to die like this. I was building a house."
5. Instead yell out, Tonight, We Dine in Hell Little Mech!
6. If you are still frustrated look up ESPN's Terry Tate Office Linebacker videos. Then when you play as an assault think of yourself as Terry Tate.

Edited by Capt Michael Wittmann, 18 November 2020 - 12:53 PM.

[LordNothing]

get better assault pilots.
failing that there are a few things pgi can do to make assaults less of a potato magnet:

price them appropriately. for some reason despite the power dynamic between weight classes being circular, pgi chose to make the assaults cost more than heavies. this leads new players to think bigger is better. they might be reduced to the cost of mediums, pricing should represent their place in the power dynamic.

explain that assaults are hard to play correctly. that lights can reduce them to scrap in mere seconds. that good team work is essential to deploy them effectively. that it is a good idea to learn the maps before using assaults on them. that they should probably start on mediums or heavies first and then move up to assaults. that playing lights is a good idea to help understand the threat they pose and how to deal with it. this is kind of an npe thing, tutorial content.

Edited by LordNothing, 19 November 2020 - 06:53 AM.