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[Kubernetes]

Dauntless Blint, on 09 July 2019 - 09:39 PM, said:

Is it throwing the game, not using a meta build?
No it's not.
You keep conflating the idea with sabotage. Your so angry about the idea people don't have fun the same way as you. I find by winning with harder to win builds the game is more rewarding. It's like winning with flare when you beat guys with arguably better tools. You obviously played that much better just to stay competitive let alone win. (It's only quick-play after all)

I get that your thirsty.

Your problem is that you're a noob pilot trying out stuff that only experienced pilots can pull off. Oh, you find it more rewarding to win with bad builds? How often does that happen? Oh, not very often. How about this: try using some "meta builds" for a while, learn how to play at least at replacement level (1 KDR, 1 WLR), and then when you get good enough to understand what you're doing in mechlab and in games, then try out some unconventional stuff. Why is MWO filled with such backwards thinkers? You can't even play at an average level and you're advocating handicapping yourself with bad builds. Who does that?

[Antares102]

Kubernetes, on 10 July 2019 - 12:14 AM, said:

Who does that?

• People who think they are the greatest as they are and thus can master any situation thus also require to handicap themselves because they are sooo great.
  
• People for which working (hard) towards a goal and improving themselves is beyond their mindset, abilities or both and thus find excuses like "I lost not because I suck but because I didnt use meta".
  
• People who claim to play "for fun" because winning is beyond their abilities (and leads to the point above)

I guess Jarl's is the last thing fun regarding MWO for me right now:
https://leaderboard....Dauntless+Blint

Oh wow... 47% percentile.
You aint need any self-inflicted handicaps mate.
You need to use every advantage you can get to not be dead weight for your team.

[Nameless King]

Do what ever you want within the rules it is a game and does not matter as long as you are having fun.

[Nightbird]

Nameless King, on 10 July 2019 - 12:10 PM, said:

Do what ever you want within the rules it is a game and does not matter as long as you are having fun.

And yet here they all are, whining about what other people do when they're handicapping themselves with 'fun' mechs. These people have a name, hypocrites.

[Scout Derek]

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[Jman5]

I always get a little discouraged when I see people blame their build for why they don't do better because I want people to play what they think will be fun and I want them to succeed with it. Unless your build is completely garbage, with practice you can likely do about just as well as you would in a similarly sized meta mech using similar firepower. I swear meta is like 90% a mental thing anyway. I read about a study where they looked at how well people played golf. With one group they told them they were using a really great Nike golf club. With the other group, they covered up the label and didn't tell them. The group that knew they were using this awesome golf club actually out performed the other group even though they were using the same clubs!

I remember another story where League of Legends announced they were nerfing some character in the patch notes. As expected, after the patch came out the character's performance metrics went down. The only problem was that the developers had screwed up and had mistakenly left it just as strong as it was pre-patch.

Edited by Jman5, 11 July 2019 - 11:06 AM.

[Nightbird]

Jman5, on 10 July 2019 - 03:12 PM, said:

I always get a little discouraged when I see people blame their build for why they don't do better because I want people to play what they think will be fun and I want them to succeed with it. Unless your build is completely garbage, with practice you can likely do about just as well as a similarly sized meta mech using similar firepower. I swear meta is like 90% a mental thing anyway. I read about a study where they looked at how well people played golf. With one group they told them they were using a really great Nike golf club. With the other group, they covered up the label and didn't tell them. The group that knew they were using this awesome golf club actually out performed the other group even though they were using the same clubs!

I remember another story where League of Legends announced they were nerfing some character in the patch notes. As expected, after the patch came out the character's performance metrics went down. The only problem was that the developers had screwed up and had mistakenly left it just as strong as it was pre-patch.

You're 100% right... if the meta posted on those websites are really the best builds possible.

News flash... they're not, they're decent builds which can be greatly improved upon.

[Antares102]

Scout Derek, on 10 July 2019 - 01:46 PM, said:

https://cdn.discorda...73963/irony.jpg

Epic fail
Thanx for that Derek

[John McClintock]

Nightbird, on 10 July 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

You're 100% right... if the meta posted on those websites are really the best builds possible.

News flash... they're not, they're decent builds which can be greatly improved upon.

+1

I've studied the meta builds. Many of them even use xl on IS... WTF, mate.

[Kubernetes]

XL is perfectly valid on many builds.

[Kodan Black]

Antares102, on 10 July 2019 - 09:55 AM, said:

I guess Jarl's is the last thing fun regarding MWO for me right now:

https://leaderboard....Dauntless+Blint

Oh wow... 47% percentile.
You aint need any self-inflicted handicaps mate.
You need to use every advantage you can get to not be dead weight for your team.

https://leaderboard....h?u=Kodan+Black

I try not to be dead weight, doesn't always work. One of the things that is tough is when you see Baradul rock a certain build or skill tree setup and then another site is like "don't do xyz" which is basically what Baradul is doing. Sure, not many of us are Baradul and thus a build that works for him might not work for others, but for newer players the conflicting advice is challenging. To a certain extent you need to play and be bad to learn your own style and then do your best to adapt the mechs/skills to that. I mostly have Med/Heavy seat time but I've been trying to play Light/Assault for my own benefit but also to better grasp the dynamics of the group better. When you find yourself doing the thing in that weight class that you get annoyed at others for doing in the weight class it helps you to realize that it might be a more common thing than you thought. Except for how NO ONE EVER GETS TO THE CIRCLE IN DOMINATION! OMG, seriously. 90% of the time I'm the first one in with my non-light mech.

TLDR: It isn't a terrible thing to be bad so long as you are improving and trying to learn, we all start somewhere. Being bad at something and refusing to change isn't good in game or life.

[thievingmagpi]

Nightbird, on 10 July 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

You're 100% right... if the meta posted on those websites are really the best builds possible.

News flash... they're not, they're decent builds which can be greatly improved upon.

lmao

such as?

[Nightbird]

thievingmagpi, on 11 July 2019 - 10:12 AM, said:

lmao

such as?

All such builds are kept secret in top units, you won't find them posted nilly willy

John McClintock, on 11 July 2019 - 09:27 AM, said:

+1

I've studied the meta builds. Many of them even use xl on IS... WTF, mate.

Yeah, more than half of the best IS mechs are XL builds

If you can't twist, you'll always be a easy kill regardless of the engine you use

[thievingmagpi]

Nightbird, on 11 July 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

All such builds are kept secret in top units, you won't find them posted nilly willy

lel

[John McClintock]

Nightbird, on 11 July 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

All such builds are kept secret in top units, you won't find them posted nilly willy



Yeah, more than half of the best IS mechs are XL builds

If you can't twist, you'll always be a easy kill regardless of the engine you use

LOL

[John McClintock]

I love xl checks... I agree there are some valid xl builds. Mostly light mechs. Like a flea. The rifleman has such horrible geometry an xl doesn't hurt at all, since twisting shields your st with your ct. I saw a xl fafnir yesterday. Derp tastical. Most meta builds focus on boating. All srm builds are well loved in meta...but far from ideal unless you are at point blank range.

[Kubernetes]

John McClintock, on 11 July 2019 - 11:20 AM, said:

LOL

80 26 3.08 234 39 6.00 106 470

Apart from 8 games in a Clan Incubus, all my matches this month have been in IS XL builds.

Edited by Kubernetes, 11 July 2019 - 11:30 AM.

[thievingmagpi]

hey, who would've thought- maximizing the things you should be maximizing gets you positive results. real wild concept.

[PhoenixFire55]

Nightbird, on 11 July 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

All such builds are kept secret in top units, you won't find them posted nilly willy

Yeeaaah ... Right.

You are aware that people can target the mech and see the loadout, right? ... And that its fairly easy to tell the engine and amount of ammo based on weaponry? ... And that every important enough comp match is streamed and recorded? ... Really makes you wonder for how many years those top secret builds from top units are being kept secret.

Sure, builds used in comp are different from widely recognized "meta", simple coz they are meant to kill 1-2 mechs in a match where all of your teammates contribute rather than nuke an entire team while carrying a bag of 11 tatoes in tow. But to claim there are some sort of "secret" builds kept hidden by "l33t units" is preposterous at best. Any kind of weird "cheese" we come up with only stays secret for 4-5 days and becomes public knowledge in comp scene right after the very first match played with it.

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