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[Gorith]

100-200 yards

by heavy fog i assume you mean below 50ft visibility.

regardless IFF makes technical sense. Could also be imaging software loaded that has your current lancemates mechs loaded into it linked to your IFF

[Tannhauser Gate]

This is a Action vs Sim balance issue.

The Sim aspect has to give way to Action features at some level to provide a fun combat game within the 20 minutes of a match. It *is* a match game with set objectives so some way to assessing that data needs to be present. The devs will figure that out as they play test and balance the game.

Yeah I dont want to hear MAH MAH MONSTER KILL!! either. But seeing "Pilot X has destroyed Pilot Y" would be fine and mimic what integrated data systems would tell you anyway. Maybe those notices should be presented as part of the data systems in the Mechs (information warfare systems) and not in open chat window.

If they simply make kill notices a server option, people will just leave it on and the OPs wishes are moot.

Edited by LakeDaemon, 30 December 2011 - 11:36 AM.

[MaddMaxx]

Kaemon, on 30 December 2011 - 07:54 AM, said:

describe 'close' range? especially in a mech with zoom capabilities?

and perhaps a +6 to the pilots Zoom skill.

[Rhinehart]

Hmmm didn't they have an IFF jammer in Mech 4? Anyone know when in the timeline that was introduced? Could be nasty.

[UncleKulikov]

If you don't have a mic, your pilot should automatically shout some kind of information over the comm.

Think in Gears of war, when you reload, your character sometimes shouts that they are reloading.

When you down or cripple a mech, unless you have a mic plugged in, your character should shout important information over the communications net.

[Dlardrageth]

LakeDaemon, on 30 December 2011 - 11:35 AM, said:

This is a Action vs Sim balance issue.

The Sim aspect has to give way to Action features at some level to provide a fun combat game within the 20 minutes of a match. It *is* a match game with set objectives so some way to assessing that data needs to be present. The devs will figure that out as they play test and balance the game.

Yeah I dont want to hear MAH MAH MONSTER KILL!! either. But seeing "Pilot X has destroyed Pilot Y" would be fine and mimic what integrated data systems would tell you anyway. Maybe those notices should be presented as part of the data systems in the Mechs (information warfare systems) and not in open chat window.

If they simply make kill notices a server option, people will just leave it on and the OPs wishes are moot.

If it is a server OPTION, people could as well turn it off, you know?

I'd wager a lot of servers would after some time have it turned off, because it would be considered as "nOObish" to need kill notices, or at least as just a cheap way to try to wave ye olde E-Peen around. I think a rather nifty solution would be to charge real money for those kill notices. Who thinks that he needs it, would be free to pay for them. and the rest won't be bothered.

[Petroff Northrup]

Naturally there will be IFF for lancemates and likely for the whole company and there will likely even be some indication on the status of your comrades, but you can spoof such systems, strong ECM could possibly block com traffic so it would be interesting to make people think you had killed off their teammates, and in a close combat situation, with poor visibility conditions such as in a jungle at night, you may not have time to try and make out color schemes... Which could also open up the possibility of wearing an enemies color scheme for backstabbing fun. If of course the devs allow for such a circumstance to exist.

[Duke Pitt]

Petroff Northrup, on 30 December 2011 - 09:41 PM, said:

Naturally there will be IFF for lancemates and likely for the whole company and there will likely even be some indication on the status of your comrades, but you can spoof such systems, strong ECM could possibly block com traffic so it would be interesting to make people think you had killed off their teammates, and in a close combat situation, with poor visibility conditions such as in a jungle at night, you may not have time to try and make out color schemes... Which could also open up the possibility of wearing an enemies color scheme for backstabbing fun. If of course the devs allow for such a circumstance to exist.

Of course wearing enemy colors could backfire pretty badly too, in the event that friendly fire is active.

[Petroff Northrup]

Duke Pitt, on 30 December 2011 - 10:43 PM, said:

Of course wearing enemy colors could backfire pretty badly too, in the event that friendly fire is active.

Indeed, it would likely prove very awesome, or the worst idea ever with someone getting blown apart.

[Brakkyn]

I was all prepared to disagree with the OP, but I find myself no longer willing. But, as previously stated, third party comms systems will negate alot of this. No one will want to rely solely on in-game systems, as much as we might want it that way.

On a similar yet different note: "XMechJock threw himself in the path of Brakkyn's autocannon round. Messy!"

[IxxxI]

+1 for OP's ideas. Devs, please make it simulator, not FPS. No metagame info for casuals.

[Barantor]

I don't mind a killboard and stats after the match as it helps folks figure out what they did wrong and what they might need to change in order to grow as a pilot.

I would not want the "g-g-g-godlike!" of league of legends on multiple kills or any information like that while in game as it isn't needed.

[Gorith]

I agree while during the match such info is bad as it can limit tactics used. After the match it's completely acceptable even desirable. And if there's a in game capture feature I think having it on replays to help you review the match is even completely acceptable. Just not DURING the match

[Tannhauser Gate]

Dlardrageth, on 30 December 2011 - 08:40 PM, said:

If it is a server OPTION, people could as well turn it off, you know?

I'd wager a lot of servers would after some time have it turned off, because it would be considered as "nOObish" to need kill notices, or at least as just a cheap way to try to wave ye olde E-Peen around. I think a rather nifty solution would be to charge real money for those kill notices. Who thinks that he needs it, would be free to pay for them. and the rest won't be bothered.

I disagree my friend. If an option conveys an advantage (i.e. NHUA, no fog, day time, etc..) then it will be left on because most players are not purists who want the game conditions to be tough. They want the game conditions to be easy so they can ramp up their frags. While sim lovers and BT purists might want to play in exotic and difficult environments, the max-frag casual players dont want "difficult". They want the game boiled down to its absolute lamest level.. with kill notices on like every other shooter out there. It will happen.

Again, if they have kill notices I hope they make it part of the mech's integrated information system and not a chat window..

Edited by LakeDaemon, 31 December 2011 - 11:05 AM.

[Dlardrageth]

LakeDaemon, on 31 December 2011 - 11:02 AM, said:

[...]
While sim lovers and BT purists might want to play in exotic and difficult environments, the max-frag casual players dont want "difficult". They want the game boiled down to its absolute lamest level.. with kill notices on like every other shooter out there. It will happen.
[...]

I agree in part, but these "max-frag casual players" (like that expression of yours ) will move on to the next FOTM game after a month or two and thus are probably not a real big concern for PGI. Because all they would provide is a minor cash influx for a very limited period (if any). And then they'll be gone.

Accordingly I still have hopes PGI just won't cater to those lamers with any automatic in-match messaging. What happens after the match is finished I could care less about. Don't see PGI dumbing down the game that much yet, noone there indicated they wanted to target a main player base of 10-year-olds. Thus the "absolute lamest level" might not show up, as it would drive off a lot of the longtime comitting potential customers. Or at the very least prevent them from investing cash into the game.

[Volume]

I actually do enjoy the unreal-tournament style announcers but I don't think Godlike or Monster-kill will happen much in MWO with only 12 players on a side and most likely limited or no respawns.

Then again, in Solaris Arena...

[Dlardrageth]

Well, the part about Solaris (especially if that were an extra game mode) makes sense. But otherwise... in particular if you cannot turn that stuff off... Just an annoying distraction for some of us. "Waste of bandwidth" as we used to call it, and I'd really like development money/resources/manpower from PGI focused on other, more relevant and crucial stuff than just a marginally relevant gadget like kill messages et al.

[That Guy]

I would still be willing to bet if no scoreboard/kill messages were included in game, hardly anyone would notice

[pcunite]

When the enemy mech you shot falls over, right-click on it to tag it as down. Your onboard mech computer can then announce it to your lance.

[Naduk]

i fully support the OP's idea
regardless of respawn values of this game
score boards often contain information about who is dead or not
that alone is a game changer

i do NOT belive it should be an option
i am so sick of everything being an option
we only need one way to play this game