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[FRAGTAST1C]

What Feral is saying is true, guys. People have been playing this game for years. T1's who have been playing since maybe Beta, continue to NASCAR. So, it is a fair estimate that a simple bolt-on will hinder their ability to figure out what the mech's actual silhouette is underneath. "Obscuring geometry"

[Feral Clown]

FRAGTAST1C, on 06 July 2019 - 07:53 PM, said:

What Feral is saying is true, guys. People have been playing this game for years. T1's who have been playing since maybe Beta, continue to NASCAR. So, it is a fair estimate that a simple bolt-on will hinder their ability to figure out what the mech's actual silhouette is underneath. "Obscuring geometry"

And yet you are not tier one yet and can't deal with nascar so you must be just better at the game?

Mole, on 06 July 2019 - 06:42 PM, said:

Why are lore nerds so against bolt-ons when there are cases in the lore of famous mechwarrior pilots putting big stupid cosmetics on their 'mechs? Wasn't there one merc pilot who did something like a wizard hat on his Atlas?

Isn't it possible to not like them cause they look stupid and if in fact it is lore possibly hate them even more?

[FRAGTAST1C]

Feral Clown, on 06 July 2019 - 07:57 PM, said:

And yet you are not tier one yet and can't deal with nascar so you must be just better at the game?

Yep, "obscuring geometry" Can't have that while also having NASCAR, right?

[Prototelis]

Cherry picking only really works if you're highlighting a ridiculous statement.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Prototelis, on 06 July 2019 - 09:49 PM, said:

Cherry picking only really works if you're highlighting a ridiculous statement.

Despite being at 90% and playing for a long time, saying that bolt-ons "Obscures geometry" is ridiculous, especially when the suggestion is to remove the hitbox altogether for them. So, forgive me if I can't stop laughing at what he said.

[Prototelis]

It absolutely is not lol.

[Feral Clown]

FRAGTAST1C, on 06 July 2019 - 09:45 PM, said:

Yep, "obscuring geometry" Can't have that while also having NASCAR, right?

You may not like or even begin to comprehend the why, and luckily it doesn't matter because it isn't going to change.

BTW the guy who Tk'd you while you failed at nascar in your Urbie on Solaris City a couple nights ago was me. Next time, can you try not to run in circles while cleaning your monitor while a game is going on? Actually never mind eating the ten second penalty was worth it as we probably had a much better chance to win with you out of the way.

FRAGTAST1C, on 06 July 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

Despite being at 90% and playing for a long time, saying that bolt-ons "Obscures geometry" is ridiculous, especially when the suggestion is to remove the hitbox altogether for them. So, forgive me if I can't stop laughing at what he said.

You can't stop laughing because you don't understand it from anything other than on a potato level.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Feral Clown, on 08 July 2019 - 12:15 AM, said:

You may not like or even begin to comprehend the why, and luckily it doesn't matter because it isn't going to change.

BTW the guy who Tk'd you while you failed at nascar in your Urbie on Solaris City a couple nights ago was me. Next time, can you try not to run in circles while cleaning your monitor while a game is going on? Actually never mind eating the ten second penalty was worth it as we probably had a much better chance to win with you out of the way.



You can't stop laughing because you don't understand it from anything other than on a potato level.

Yes, I didn't NASCAR as I ran to the other side to cover your rear. But you're so obscured in your vision that you shot me and lost the match anyway while I had done 450'ish in my unskilled Urbie when we had just gotten underway. Way to give out your potato'ness, wise guy.

I can't stop laughing 'cause a guy who claims to be great at this game on many levels can't distinguish between a bolt-on and the actual mech. Then, on top of that, has to TK to satisfy his frustration. Way to go.

Also, cleaning my monitor? What? What's obscuring your limited logic now? Where did that assumption come from?

[MW Waldorf Statler]

its good thats the ugly Bolt fall off ...the Bolts in 99% the Ugly things ever seen in a Game ...the designs from WH 40k orcs or FO4 better ,as was PGI brings for Mechs..rusty Steampipes, Submarine Turrets, oversclaed Searchlights ... what the Heck...let leave the Designer from the Bolts , thats scrap looks like Rubbelite ..nightmares in brown

[Dee Eight]

If they didn't get assigned a ridiculously low HP in order to be destroyed upon the first hit, they'd be like immortal objects and thus free armor.

[Pahrias]

Nightbird, on 03 July 2019 - 09:03 AM, said:

Decals and paint jobs also get burned off with the first hit?

yeah but your entire mech doesnt revert to basic green the moment you take a bit of damage. why not have them take damage in a similar way, I.E. get broken down bit by bit as the component they are attached to gets damaged? or even just , i dunno, set on fire or something.

[Pahrias]

Dee Eight, on 08 July 2019 - 10:35 AM, said:

If they didn't get assigned a ridiculously low HP in order to be destroyed upon the first hit, they'd be like immortal objects and thus free armor.

but they wouldnt have to be. just remove any form of contact with them. you cant shoot them at all. any shots just pass through them. there, done, problem solved.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Pahrias, on 08 July 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

but they wouldnt have to be. just remove any form of contact with them. you cant shoot them at all. any shots just pass through them. there, done, problem solved.

It's no use. I've explained that exact thing multiple times already. It is nigh incomprehensible here.

[Prototelis]

And its been explained to you multiple times how obscuring hitboxes is bad.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Prototelis, on 08 July 2019 - 06:06 PM, said:

And its been explained to you multiple times how obscuring hitboxes is bad.

Do this experiment for me please...

Close your eyes and picture the back of an Atlas. Now do that with wings or a car or anything attached to it. Let's stick with wings for now. Can you still picture the base silhouette? Now imagine trying to shoot at the wings that allow shots to pass through it, attached to the back of the LT. What's going to happen in this scenario? Are you going to derp out and miss the shot entirely or are you going to connect to the wing, have your shot pass right through the wing and hit the spot you're aiming for?

If you're still on about "Obscuring Geometry", then you have problem with trying.

[Prototelis]

Do this experiment for me please;

Get better at the game and learn to appreciate what I'm talking about.

You literally don't know what the **** we are talking about.

Edited by Prototelis, 08 July 2019 - 06:50 PM.

[Nightbird]

Pahrias, on 08 July 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

yeah but your entire mech doesnt revert to basic green the moment you take a bit of damage. why not have them take damage in a similar way, I.E. get broken down bit by bit as the component they are attached to gets damaged? or even just , i dunno, set on fire or something.

Given the bolt-ons weigh 0 tons, think of them as balloons shaped into objects and attached to the mechs. What do balloons do when pricked?

[Feral Clown]

FRAGTAST1C, on 08 July 2019 - 02:00 AM, said:

Yes, I didn't NASCAR as I ran to the other side to cover your rear. But you're so obscured in your vision that you shot me and lost the match anyway while I had done 450'ish in my unskilled Urbie when we had just gotten underway. Way to give out your potato'ness, wise guy.

I can't stop laughing 'cause a guy who claims to be great at this game on many levels can't distinguish between a bolt-on and the actual mech. Then, on top of that, has to TK to satisfy his frustration. Way to go.

Also, cleaning my monitor? What? What's obscuring your limited logic now? Where did that assumption come from?

LOL...where did I make this claim again? I have tried to explain the why you just are incapable of getting it.

And for your explaination, it's bs you were squirreling around mindlessly in front of your team and ran into fire.

[Shadowomega1]

While a lot of the bolt ons look great for the Solaris arena only a few look like they would fit in with actual combat units. This is where I feel PGI missed an opportunity by having bolt ons that look like field mods that combat units or even Royal Guard units might have.

A perfect example of this comes from the Project Phoenix, Invasion, Resistance Mech packs which have some unique geometry on them that doesn't actually change the hitbox.

Elemental Hand Holds on the Timberwolf-Prime(I/G) arms.

Spoiler

Project Phoenix Thunderbolt with Shoulder Pads

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Edited by Shadowomega1, 09 July 2019 - 05:37 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

Nightbird, on 08 July 2019 - 07:59 PM, said:

Given the bolt-ons weigh 0 tons, think of them as balloons shaped into objects and attached to the mechs. What do balloons do when pricked?