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[SneekiBreeki]

Oh boi, this thread just gave me the BIG ANEURYSM

[The pessimistic optimist]

Nightbird, on 15 July 2019 - 09:24 AM, said:

Damn, I thought you were trolling to convince people to put AMS on, get one shot by streaks, and rage, but you're serious???

Whatever yea want dude whatever make YOU feel better! Hey if that's what you need to tell your self who am I to say no

Edited by SirSmokes, 15 July 2019 - 09:35 AM.

[Nightbird]

SirSmokes, on 15 July 2019 - 09:35 AM, said:

Whatever yea want dude whatever make YOU feel better! Hey if that's what you need to tell your self who am I to say no

Well, I don't think you're a troll anymore...

[The pessimistic optimist]

Nightbird, on 15 July 2019 - 09:41 AM, said:

Well, I don't think you're a troll anymore...

Like I said if insulting me makes you feel better I really don't care. Stop caring about childish insulting in my early 20s. If yea want to have a real discussion.let me know

[Nightbird]

SirSmokes, on 15 July 2019 - 09:47 AM, said:

Like I said if insulting me makes you feel better I really don't care. Stop caring about childish insulting in my early 20s. If yea want to have a real discussion.let me know

A real discussion on running AMS on lights? No thanks, I like my brain cells alive.

Test your AMS Javelin in QP, record a match showing you winning against a standard 6SSRM6 huntsman or maddog or 5SSRM6 stormcrow. Then let's talk

[The pessimistic optimist]

Nightbird, on 15 July 2019 - 10:00 AM, said:

A real discussion on running AMS on lights? No thanks, I like my brain cells alive.

Test your AMS Javelin in QP, record a match showing you winning against a standard 6SSRM6 huntsman or maddog or 5SSRM6 stormcrow. Then let's talk

Was that so hard to say that with out insulting someone? Are we learning?

[Nightbird]

SirSmokes, on 15 July 2019 - 10:01 AM, said:

Was that so hard to say that with out insulting someone? Are we learning?

I wish you were, apparently not

[The pessimistic optimist]

Nightbird, on 15 July 2019 - 10:03 AM, said:

I wish you were, apparently not

Still confused why AMS = bad oh wait if it runes MEH meta. Oh nose games forcing me to make a hard choice and I don;t like hard choices. I wants MEH meta no hard choice just nerf what kills me please

[Prototelis]

lol. AMS isn't a valid counter to streaks for a light mech. (or really any mech, ams is not effective at shooting down streaks even when boated)

You know what is? Staying the **** away from them. Something neither of the builds you've posted are capable of doing because they're both too slow.

I 100% guarantee that I don't have anywhere near the problem with streaks that you will with those builds or in general should you ever decide to start playing lights frequently.

Tip; you can be aware of something, know how to avoid it, and still think its ********.

Edited by Prototelis, 15 July 2019 - 10:07 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Prototelis, on 15 July 2019 - 10:06 AM, said:

lol. AMS isn't a valid counter to streaks for a light mech. (or really any mech, ams is not effective at shooting down streaks even when boated)

You know what is? Staying the **** away from them. Something neither of the builds you've posted are capable of doing because they're both too slow.

I 100% guarantee that I don't have anywhere near the problem with streaks that you will with those builds or in general should you ever decide to start playing lights frequently.

Tip; you can be aware of something, know how to avoid it, and still think its ********.

People don't like hard choices...I had loads of games were I was running SSRMs and I was near usless because of AMS don't even.

Edited by SirSmokes, 15 July 2019 - 10:12 AM.

[Nightbird]

For the newer players looking to counter streaks in light, the funny exchange was intended to entertain and educate. DO NOT EXPECT AMS TO PROTECT YOU FROM STREAKS, IT WILL NOT.

The usual set of things will work for lights against big streak boats:
1. Awareness and speed: know where the enemy streak boats are, if UAVs are up, and use speed to stay out of range until you can win a fight
2. Using buildings and cover to poke from unexpected angles, use them to block streaks after your poke
3. Only commit to a face to face fight against streaks when you can win, i.e. you have enough armor to survive and enough firepower to kill. Certain lights mechs can even kill a fresh 6SSRM6 streakboat but you can't panic and twist, when you engage, stare them down to spread damage. Twisting focuses damage to one ST =death

Thanks to SirSmokes for playing the role of the naive light pilot

Edited by Nightbird, 15 July 2019 - 10:15 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Nightbird, on 15 July 2019 - 10:12 AM, said:

For the newer players looking to counter streaks in light, the funny exchange was intended to entertain and educate. DO NOT EXPECT AMS TO PROTECT YOU FROM STREAKS, IT WILL NOT.

The usual set of things will work for lights against big streak boats:
1. Awareness and speed: know where the enemy streak boats are, if UAVs are up, and use speed to stay out of range until you can win a fight
2. Using buildings and cover to poke from unexpected angles, use them to block streaks after your poke
3. Only commit to a face to face fight against streaks when you can win, i.e. you have enough armor to survive and enough firepower to kill. Certain lights mechs can even kill a fresh 6SSRM6 streakboat but you can't panic and twist, when you engage, stare them down to spread damage. Twisting focuses damage to one ST =death

Thanks to SirSmokes for playing the role of the naive light pilot

I have had loads of games were SSRMs were near useless because of AMS. Don't give me that BS I seen my SSRM volleys evaporate because of if. One AMS yea not so great 2 or 3 then your SSRMs have problems. Just because you don't want to rune meh meta yea don't want to take them.

Edited by SirSmokes, 15 July 2019 - 10:19 AM.

[Prototelis]

lol. Maybe for the 2 weeks where all missile health was gimped.

And even then I'd still have to say you're full of **** and probably hitting terrain and can't tell.

[Nightbird]

SirSmokes, on 15 July 2019 - 10:18 AM, said:

I have had loads of games were SSRMs were near useless because of AMS. Don't give me that BS I seen my SSRM volleys evaporate because of if. One AMS yea not so great 2 or 3 then your SSRMs have problems. Just because you don't want to rune meh meta yea don't want to take them.

This is getting old, I'll give up my role to the next person

[The pessimistic optimist]

Nightbird, on 15 July 2019 - 10:20 AM, said:

This is getting old, I'll give up my role to the next person

I am right that's why sorry yea don't like missiles hard counter...just sick of the people that complain about any of the missile weapons BUT THEY NEVER TAKE AMS then freaking complain about them. THEY HAVE A Fing COUNTER USE IT.

Edited by SirSmokes, 15 July 2019 - 10:25 AM.

[Prototelis]

You are flat out wrong bro.

What reason would either of us have to mislead you?

Neither of us run streaks outside of FP (and only sometimes) and both of us are experienced enough to have tested this.

AMS, even when boated, isn't an effective counter against streaks. And FFS, your builds ARE BAD. That wolfhound is just so many levels of wrong I can't even.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Prototelis, on 15 July 2019 - 10:25 AM, said:

You are flat out wrong bro.

What reason would either of us have to mislead you?

Neither of us run streaks outside of FP (and only sometimes) and both of us are experienced enough to have tested this.

AMS, even when boated, isn't an effective counter against streaks. And FFS, your builds ARE BAD. That wolfhound is just so many levels of wrong I can't even.

Its wrong because MEH meta I know.

[Prototelis]

1. All games have a meta. ALL GAMES.
2. Its ******* stupid to dismiss things just because they're part of that meta
3. AMS being ineffective against streaks has little to do with meta. AMS is OBJECTIVELY BAD at countering streaks, even when boated. I'm not the only person who has tested it. Go fight a streak boat in a private lobby with either of your **** tier builds and let us know how that works out.

You're literally arguing with two people who have 10 times more experience than you, both of whom play well above your level.

Edited by Prototelis, 15 July 2019 - 10:55 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Prototelis, on 15 July 2019 - 10:54 AM, said:

1. All games have a meta. ALL GAMES.
2. Its ******* stupid to dismiss things just because they're part of that meta
3. AMS being ineffective against streaks has little to do with meta. AMS is OBJECTIVELY BAD at countering streaks, even when boated. I'm not the only person who has tested it. Go fight a streak boat in a private lobby with either of your **** tier builds and let us know how that works out.

You're literally arguing with two people who have 10 times more experience than you, both of whom play well above your level.

Like I said before yea don't want to make a hard choice. Meh meta please nerf don't want to make a hard choice about my build. People that complain about missile weapons and never take AMS are LOLs silly and kind funny. How many times I have seen people complain about the missile weapons but never take AMS is hilarious. It continues the long proud tradition of complaining about missiles well never take it's counters...

[Prototelis]

Uhm. Not putting AMS on a light mech to counter streaks isn't a hard choice.

Its an easy choice. AMS doesn't counter streaks worth a ****.