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[Alloh]

So, is PGI trying to KILL UNITS?

The major attraction in this game, for me and my group, was TEAMPLAY. You know, make up a group, talk to each other to coordinate, then talk ****, laugh and have fun.

My Unit, FEB, was created for this. We were active every night, with up to 10 players at once, very often... now we no longer have a contract, each member of unit can go to a different side of FP, and it became nearly impossible to find GROUP GAMES...

And since we cannot play in group, in same match, in same team, we are breaking apart. Players are giving up to join our DISCORD ... why, if we try to make a group, hang >10min "SearchingWarrior", then disband and try a sync drop... and when the members are spread among many matches and teams, becomes hard to talk...


So, PGI, what's your plan for UNITs ?

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

welcome to mechwarrior.

wanna buy a mechpack to nascar around in?

[TheArisen]

You're not locked into a faction as you can change at will as a merc. That way ppl can change to whatever is needed for the group to drop.

What time zone do you play in?

[BattleBunny]

Group Q is indeed dead. The population is simply to low. During european hours, 18:00-0:00 GMT+1, its impossible to find a group queue game, even during weekends. After that you sometimes find some, but they are all filled with the same people every time.

I doubt its fixable at this point. Damn shame, I love group Q.

[Nightbird]

FP is for Units, Group Queue is for groups of 3-5, easy to misunderstand.

[Gilgamecc]

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Edited by draiocht, 22 August 2019 - 08:21 AM.
unconstructive, discussing moderation

[Armored Yokai]

Well, PGI has never been the icon of proper balance. This game used to have a large playerbase and it gradually dwindled overtime due to broken promises and improper balancing. I can see why PGI was catering to the "lower level" players, because that's where the possibility of an increased crowd came in with more money and the goal of a company is usually to make money. Unfortunately they took the wrong path to doing that.

If PGI actually kept their promises and made better decisions then I am sure the current playerbase would be x3-x6 the current value, with older and better units playing the game and gradually newer players would come in.

Mechwarrior Online is at the end of it's days and has been for the longest time. I've tried talking to the community with ideas of a going away and moving onto MW5 and potentially a MWO 2.0, but they've been stubborn and continued their beer league antics and saying the game will not die. I don't blame them really, hard to let go of something you put so much time and effort into.

[BattleBunny]

Nightbird, on 22 August 2019 - 06:06 AM, said:

FP is for Units, Group Queue is for groups of 3-5, easy to misunderstand.

You try and find a group queue match with a team of 3-5. goodluck. Be careful not to be hypnotized by the spinning wheel.

[Bud Crue]

Alloh, on 22 August 2019 - 04:39 AM, said:

Something about PGI killing units but is really complaining about not ringing a match in group queue

Ok, lets go over this one more time...

As the population has fallen the only time you can still have a reasonable chance to get a GQ drop, is during NA prime time, which has traditionally been from ~7PM to ~12AM Eastern US time zone.

Now, since Russ’s lovely EOL commentary a couple of months ago, that “reasonable chance” has gotten more spotty/inconsistent. For example some nights the queue doesn’t get a reasonable population of varied group sizes until closer to 8PM. Some nights you might start getting consistent and rapid drops starting at 6PM and then after 10PM it is a ghost town (like last night). Other nights (often mid-week nights it seems) the population is even more minimal to the extent that if you have the wrong group size you might not get a match at all because there is no other group for you and yours to add up to 12 with; and even if you do find one to reach a 12, as soon as one person drops out or comes on, that might be it for not just your group, but for other groups as well.

So anyway, this isn’t a unit problem, it’s a low population problem that has gotten worse over time, and which Russ has exacerbated via his comments last month regarding MWO’s future and the EPIC announcement for MW5. The tenable GQ playing window will continue to narrow and be more and more iffy as time goes on and I can’t see anything reversing that trend.

Edited by Bud Crue, 22 August 2019 - 07:16 AM.

[PhoenixFire55]

PGI is doing everything to kill units since 2014, where have you been for all these years?

[Novakaine]

Played a few matches last night.
Saw the same names 5 times in a row.
We just swapped sides.
Good job PGI way to step on your own feet walking backwards.
Eating a stale donut.

[John Bronco]

Easier to get fp games than gq lately.

Which is pretty wild stuff

[Appogee]

Alloh, on 22 August 2019 - 04:39 AM, said:

So, is PGI trying to KILL UNITS?

No. PGI isn't trying to do anything.

[Alloh]

TheArisen, on 22 August 2019 - 04:55 AM, said:

You're not locked into a faction as you can change at will as a merc. That way ppl can change to whatever is needed for the group to drop.

What time zone do you play in?

You missed the main point, and I guess that you aren't in a Unit. A little time ago, the CONTRACTS WERE TAKEN BY THE UNIT. So all the members of unit were playing in the same side, allways. Now, there is no contract for units. Each unit member must take a contract, and chance says they will be spread on both sides!

Almost the same goes to PUB/QP - the GROUP queue used to work fine, with games much harder than solo, in pub, as the best players were grouped up and teamworking. Currently, in almost every game, there are players from a given unit on both sides... "Group MatchMaker" is FUBAR... became "SearchingForever".

And that leads to disbanding of units, as players are unable to be in same match/team, and many are migrating to other games were the software house welcome groups of players, as PGI used to do in the recent past!

[Alloh]

Nightbird, on 22 August 2019 - 06:06 AM, said:

FP is for Units, Group Queue is for groups of 3-5, easy to misunderstand.

You're WRONG. Most of units have 2..6 players at once, in Quick Play Group Queue. But both QP and FP *GROUP* MatchMaker is FUBAR, cannot find games. And at least in my unit, the disbanding started when it became clear that we no longer can play as an UNIT, with our members cooperating in the same match.

Probably the simplest, and BEST, solution is to just merge the SOLO and GROUP queues into one... so we can even have a group of 11 players and expect to find someone, or a group of 2..6 players can play as an UNIT should, with othe solo players.

PGI, please share some love to UNITS. We have been supporting you since MWO started. Give us a way to play togheter, as an UNIT, with solo/pug players... and give back to us the UNIT CONTRACTS FOR FP, so we all remain in same side, and the unit as whole can chance side when required.

PGI, save the UNITS!

[RickySpanish]

It sounds like your UNIT just doesn't WANT to PLAY with, YOU. So now they are SWITCHING. To the other SIDE, to avoid your BAD Nicholas CAGE impRESSIONS.

[Armored Yokai]

Alloh, on 22 August 2019 - 07:44 AM, said:

PGI, save the UNITS!

It's too late now. All that remains of MWO is beer league Units that will continue playing this game until servers go offline.

[jss78]

Alloh, on 22 August 2019 - 07:44 AM, said:

Probably the simplest, and BEST, solution is to just merge the SOLO and GROUP queues into one... so we can even have a group of 11 players and expect to find someone, or a group of 2..6 players can play as an UNIT should, with othe solo players.

This would literally kill the game overnight.

Right now the solo queue is the single, one part of MWO that kind of works very well. Just as a rough guess you have 20+ people there for each player in group/faction queues.

If you break the solo queue by combining the group and solo queues they'll stop playing, and the game is dead.

[Armored Yokai]

jss78, on 22 August 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:

If you break the solo queue by combining the group and solo queues they'll stop playing.

Yeah, it's not fun having to fight 2+ players that are in comms. By combing GP and SP you force the solo players to play in groups or not get a chance to play.

[Alloh]

Actually, it is quite often to have GROUP players in PUG matches. Very often someone is leading on game's VoIP. And almost allways the person(s) leading is(are) in a UNIT, with TAG.

By the way, the other team is allways 12 players that are in comms... Using VoIP is optional, but it is there allways. And our unit now does "sync drop" with coordination using both Discord and game's VoIP.

So, the argument that merging group and solo queues will kill a nearly dead game makes no sense. It already happens. Just the "unit group" now gets spread, as GQ is cataleptic.

After the MW5 betrayal, and lack of MWO2, this seems the most plausible and feasible way to keep MWO alive for a few years more..