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[Brizna]

The meta like always is situational awareness, good aim and sensible load outs.

[Armored Yokai]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 08 September 2019 - 10:28 AM, said:

Same reason why you use an Urbanmech that is not the K-9 variant.
For no other purpose but because I love the Atlas and I do it to have fun, that's the truth.

[A Really Old Clan Dude]

LowSubmarino, on 08 September 2019 - 04:14 AM, said:

Interesting that assaults, e.g. mad cat mkII are labaled meta even though 90+ % of assaults I see have trouble doing more than 100 - 200 dmg. The vast majority of assault pilots perform horrible in qp. Thats being generous. They basically cannonfodder. Easiest way to win stats is to simply kill all assaults that trail far behind their respective nascar trains. I wonder how anybody could label assaults meta when hardly anybody I see ever breaches 100 - 200 dmg.

But get one or two good assault pilots in your team and you can walk away with an easy win.

the mad cat mk II B is one of the easiest to pilot and shoot assaults in the game.
It moves at 64 kph so it keeps up with any nascar.
It has a 70 point alpha (depending on the config)
It uses 4*UAC's that everyone is terrified off when they start hitting them and blinding them.
It can keep up the sustained fire causing the other mech to torso turn and not return fire, encouraging your teammates to actually shoot at it as well.
It has enough range to work on any map but brawling at the front of the nascar is its specialty.
I have had more 1000 damage games in this mech than any other.

Im not a great pilot but in this mech I have over a 600 damage average and almost a 2-1 KD ratio.

[Valley Pirate]

Apparently it's any 'mech that allows you to run in a circle like a bloody moron. If you're lucky, the other guys are slower than you are.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

Armored Yokai, on 08 September 2019 - 11:01 AM, said:

Same reason why you use an Urbanmech that is not the K-9 variant.
For no other purpose but because I love the Atlas and I do it to have fun, that's the truth.

eh.. totally wrong, sorry.
-all the urbies are good mechs that you can put good weapon-combos on.

-atlas can be a good mech, but putting 4x erppc on it though.. it's a waste of a decent 100t mech, sorry.
try it on an awesome or warhawk, sure. but not on an atlas.

-your 'urbie'-equivalent would be a lrm20-urbie. in which case I'd ask it's owner the same.
why on earth would you do that?

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 09 September 2019 - 10:12 AM.

[Armored Yokai]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 09 September 2019 - 09:50 AM, said:

eh.. totally wrong, sorry.


-atlas can be a good mech, but putting 4x erppc on it though.. it's a waste of a decent 100t mech, sorry.
try it on an awesome or warhawk, sure. but not on an atlas.

-your 'urbie'-equivalent would be a lrm20-urbie. in which case I'd ask it's owner the same.
why on earth would you do that?

1. Not quite so much as you think, because same logic applies to all Atlases and nearly every other mech. You can do good builds like 5MPL K9 and you can always do sub optimal builds on different variants, an ERPPC Atlas is a sub optimal build and wouldn't be high tier but it still can score well.

2. Yes it would be better to use a WarHawk, but It wouldn't be so much of a waste if played right and it's only a matter of opinion in the way you say it.

3. No, here's why. LRMs are completely different weapons than ERPPCs, they can do damage at 0m and can be fired directly at with a skilled range of 931-1012m. With your logic it would be akin to using an Atlas with LRMs and that's the improper way to do so. A better way to say it would be to put x2 ERPPCs on an Urbanmech? Why would you do that?

Like said previously, it all comes down to the preference and the player.
There is a TON on variables when it comes to mech choice and it's not limited to these choices, but these are common choices.
Is the player wanting trying their hardest? Why is this player using this mech and not some other other mech? If you can't think of any numerous answers for what has been previously said then I worry deeply.

[Imperius]

Someone post a GIF of the loading wheel.

[Armored Yokai]

Imperius, on 09 September 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

what did you say? It's not loading.

[LowSubmarino]

Kubernetes, on 04 September 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

"I don't do the meta."

This is a familiar refrain from people trying to rationalize their poor play (along with "My mechs aren't skilled up" and "Stats don't mean anything"). I have asked such folks numerous times to define the current meta, but no one ever responds.

The term meta is one of the means to either advocate your skill (im good cause I dont meta and still own) or to diminish other ppls performance. Basically it is used to say 'okay, yeah, pretty good...but you went the easy route so it [your performance/accomplishment] isnt worth as much [as my own performance/accomplishment].

The entire world is based on meta.

You think Bayern München would hire rather cheap and not that elite players so they can say 'yeah, man, cause we dont meta'.

No.

Its a competitve sport. Its not about fairness or balance. Or each Fußball Club would get a set amount of cash. Each club gets the exact same amount and so no club can buy players that are more expensive than entire clubs of the opposition. Its about winning. Usually by any and all means necessary. That is what ppl are cheering for. They do not care that its hardly a real competition haha. But rather the infamous game 'who can throw more cash around and who can use that advantage to further the gap between and potential opposition.

It has never been about any form of real, balanced competition.

Starting to fool around with such notions is nonsense.

At the end of the day it matters which team is victorious on the battle field.

Some ppl say its meta to take a ultra low burn time, pin point, mobile alpha striker. And ppl like me say its dumb to field weak mechs and massively reduce your teams potential for selfish motives and notions of I dont meta cause thats weak.

All I see is either a not that smart or not that team oriented player or a totally unexperienced player when they field simply bad mechs with weak and huge hit boxes and abysmal hard points.

I would respect someboddy that truely lives by the motive to always and universally maximize the challenge by any means necessry simply because they worship the struggle above all else. Say youre attracted to a woman or man. How would you approach them?

IN ways that experience has shown to work quite well or maybe dirty, smelly, insulting, annoying.....just to make it more....challenging?

What kind of nonsense is that.

Anybody with half a brain would maximize the potential to be perceived as something and somebody that is an enrichment and not an evil impact on their lifes.

In my eyes it is dumb to make the choice for the entire team and field the weakest possible assault with a flashy smile, get dominated, make my team loose cause I was the last mech in an awesome while the last red player fields one of the strongest assault mechs. If skill is roughly comparable guess who's gonna get smashed. I can make that decision in a single player game with no consequence for anybody else. But theres 11 other players, like me, that like to win and be the last team and man standing cause we dominated. We used the assets, our skills, the available ressources better than the other team. Better skills. Better aim. Maybe better mechs (if other team was a bit less smart or guided by weird meta notions), better communication.

Im a social entity and if I play with other ppl I will play accordingly. Starts with making room for my team to navigate. Covering them. Protecting them. Providing intel.

IN fact, it is highly anti social to engage in a team competition and to then not bring the very best performance, your best skill, your best mechs and builds.

That makes a lot more sense to me then to field cannonfodder mechs and to loose games by doing 100 - 150 dmg tops and to then lazily smile and say I dont meta. Pronounce 'I dont meta' like an übernoob.

Im tolerant though. I dont go out and tell evybody fielding trash mechs that I have to compensate by doing more dmg and getting more kills than Id have to if they were actually a real help by being strong and good in top ******* tier tech. In good strong mechs.

I dont go out and tell ppl thats dumb and actually not social.

And yet, those misguided meta preachers or anti meta preachers go out dadadatataaa and love nothing more than to tell evybody and their grandmamas that they dont meta. ALl with a smug smile.

To teams and players that discuss meta to max performance and strats and tactics....thats different.

ANybody else only makes a fool of themselves and to say theyre...not smart, would be an understatment.

This is the only time I ever said this.

[Imperius]

Armored Yokai, on 09 September 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

what did you say? It's not loading.

Thanks for posting the current meta!

[Mystere]

After well over a decade, my meta finally broke a pinky switch:

Edited by Mystere, 09 September 2019 - 03:35 PM.

[JRcam4643]

Kubernetes, on 04 September 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

"I don't do the meta."

So what is it? Anyone? If you could point to any specific weapons, mechs, builds, playstyles, etc., and say "That's meta," what would those be?

Mr Andersson, on 04 September 2019 - 04:15 PM, said:

If you are talking about solo queue quick play, then I would say any mech that can combine reasonable (or better) mobility with high DPS.

Feral Clown, on 04 September 2019 - 04:21 PM, said:

I'd say it's you in the vulCAN.

Really though any IS mech right now with five or six med pulse is going to do consistently well in nascar that is quick play. I can do the same Clan side in LBK pulse build.

Prototelis, on 04 September 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

"Synergy"

Nah, it actually;

G: Get your own locks
I: Introspection
T: Terrain Control

G: Game sense
U: Understanding the mechlab
D: Decisive action

OZHomerOZ, on 04 September 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

Most effective tactic available
Wud eva dat iz

I think it's focus fire, the team that does focued fire best wins in quick play

Jackal Noble, on 05 September 2019 - 05:15 PM, said:

IDBNTRGFHG

idiotic deathball nascar turn right go fast heavy gauss

This right here is it.

https://youtu.be/FkkG3LtMACo

[LordNothing]

Mystere, on 09 September 2019 - 03:33 PM, said:

After well over a decade, my meta finally broke a pinky switch:

been meaning to upgrade to one of those, but my 15 year old ch controllers still work.

[Appogee]

Armored Yokai, on 09 September 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

what did you say? It's not loading.

My loading spinner is white on a black background.

Is PGI now selling colors and camo specs for loading spinners?

[Bowelhacker]

Based on the replies so far just about everything is meta at this point.

Except lurms, I guess.

[Nightbird]

Anything good is meta. Anyone bad is not meta.

[Ardwolf]

Gagis, on 05 September 2019 - 12:10 AM, said:

The Metagame is the game around a game of trying to become aware of how others are likely to be playing and trying to find a way to play of your own that will be as effective as possible to counter what others will do. A stable metagame goes around in circles with people trying to out-predict each others' attempts at predicting them, until a new idea disrupts the stalemate. The stable metagame in MWO currently includes a fairly large number of mechs and playstyles you need to be aware of.

Refusing to play the metagame and only play the core game will limit your enjoyment of any multiplayer game by a great deal. Even for games like Magic: the Gathering, the metagame consists of a large part of why the game is fun in the first place, and same goes for larger scale online games.

....Give me the name of your dealer.

The hell are you on about? MWO has been a peek game for as long as I can remember(2015 was when I picked it up). The math behind the "meta" has and always will be: "How much damage can you deal" divided by "How long are you exposed" = number. I get that this comment was made back in september and I'm definitely necroing but it really, REALLY tweaked my nipples(and not in the fun way).

I've been away from the game for the last year and when I google about and see some no-name shill trying to over-analyze/complicate a very simple formula, I really can't help myself.

No one gives a rat's *** about some vague as **** representation of the current meta. All folks want to know is what hasn't been nerfed/is still effective and what mechs boat the weapons efficiently. Everything else is mental masturbation by fanboys that desperately need a hobby.

I suggest knitting.

[_Magno_]

Everyone metas whether they like it or not.

Meta is the current collective response to a multitude of factors.

If PGI takes away Polar highlands, a good number of players will respond by bringing less LRM. Then their will be a response to bringing less AMS and builds.

If PGI lowers crit %, players will respond by less Mgs, or STMs, or LB-Xs.

All meta is the current collective response to the environment and conditions of the game.
If the environment or conditions buckle under the response, then we refer to that as “broken”.

[Warning incoming Humble Dexterer]

Coo, this thread is from 2019...

MWO meta is and has always been about more range :
- From short range to mid range (around 400m range).
- From mid range to long range (around 800m range).
- From long range to very long range (around 1200m range).
- From very long range to extra long range (primo range).

Basically same trend as XXIst century warfare.

Edited by Humble Dexter, 01 January 2020 - 01:33 PM.

[JediPanther]

ac 20 raven 4x
2x flamer spdr 5v
lrmlas
IS Jenners are always op and must be nerfed
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lbx 40 k2
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