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[JediPanther]

Lineback is the best fast heavy. 100kph before speed tweek and all the clan tech making it > over any is heavy. For assaults get either one with ecm or lot of missiles. lrm 80s pretty much nuke any thing under assault class. Ride that over ride and take them cool shots.

[Jman5]

If you're actually a good assault player you want your team to NASCAR hard because it doesn't usually cost your team anything. You wont get left behind piloting anything at Direwolf Speed or greater because good assaults players do not get left behind. It's only giving your team to an opportunity to catch free kills from clueless opponents self-isolating themselves. If you can catch one or two free kills without losing anything, you're almost guaranteed to win.

Fast mechs have the easiest time disengaging from a fight so even if the other team holds a firing line against them, they will more often than not be able to pull back with only a few scratches.

In all of the game, there is only a single uncommon spawn, on a single map in a single mode where the timing is tight. That is HPG Manifold Skirmish mode when you have 5+ assaults so you get spillover into Bravo Lance. Usually even then, it requires a match with 2 or 3 very aggressive lights + assault lance support. And even then it depends which side you spawn, as one side is riskier than the other.

If you find yourself constantly "getting left behind" you are making mistakes plain and simple. You're slow off the start, you're moving in round about ways, you're stopping while the rest of your team is moving, you're running toward the enemy instead of toward your team, you're not cutting corners when possible, you're not paying attention to your team's movements, you're not aggressively pushing forward, you're setting up on some out of the way hill away from the rest of your team, or you're incapable of winning hilariously lopsided fights.

Edited by Jman5, 07 October 2019 - 08:27 AM.

[General Solo]

Dat why I think Match maker contributes to NASCAR as those players are in the same match when they should not be.

[Siegegun]

I think map design plays into it as well. Lord, OZ, Protelis, all have huge points of truth in them, but I think it gets even worse when a large amount of maps encourage the nascar by their design. With huge centralized features they encourage the rotato-potato. This is why I try to drop into faction play, it just happens less if at all in that mode.

[Prototelis]

Map design has little to do with circling, Even on maps with nothing to circle it still happens. It is prevalent in many other online arena shooters, but often not noticed because this game has absurdly high TTK.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Prototelis, on 07 October 2019 - 10:19 AM, said:

Map design has little to do with circling, Even on maps with nothing to circle it still happens. It is prevalent in many other online arena shooters, but often not noticed because this game has absurdly high TTK.

Wrong some maps have a central point people gravitate too and the most of the populate maps have those. Like HPG upper level just under the dish,Mining Collective its that center platform,Canyon and hibernal have the little center point with with towering rocks were the two canyons meet in the middle grim plexus has center hill with the buildings and caustic valley has the caldera. Yes some maps tend to have more nascaring for sure

[Prototelis]

Happens almost every match on Polar, with no center object lol.

[The pessimistic optimist]

If it's domination yea

[Prototelis]

Even on Skirmish and Assault.

[The pessimistic optimist]

If I'm doing skirmish on that map hells no I take people to my super secret stop that a great place to fight on that map and it's not really a secret but yea most don't know it

[Prototelis]

I am aware of the buildings on the periphery; I'm also aware that people generally don't follow any of your calls.

[General Solo]

Don't know about you guys, but this is why I do it.

Jman5, on 07 October 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

.... giving your team to an opportunity to catch free kills from clueless opponents self-isolating themselves. If you can catch one or two free kills without losing anything, you're almost guaranteed to win.

Edit:
IMO Polar has a central feature kinda, but hard to recognize.
Its the FLAT no mans land in the middle.

The rest of the map has little dips and snowbanks, but the middle bit is really flat with very little such dips and snowbanks. IMO

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 07 October 2019 - 10:50 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Prototelis, on 07 October 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

I am aware of the buildings on the periphery; I'm also aware that people generally don't follow any of your calls.

They do loads of times when I call it

[Dimento Graven]

Johny Rocket, on 06 October 2019 - 01:47 PM, said:

For the event I have dusted off some assaults and heavies and I remembered real quick why I don't play these weight classes. Nascar.

It's bad enough in a light or medium trying to balance moving and shooting but in the heavier weight classes it means a lot more moving than shooting just to get left behind by 2/3 of your team.

If you are not in a light or very fast medium don't follow their flank, what is so hard about that? I get why it happens people see blue on the map moving around and just follow it like lemmings. Stop doing that.

Y'know, while I do occasionally wear a tin foil/aluminium hat while streaming, I believe I've found the PGI conspiracy to subliminally pre-program us for running in circles!

Think about it:

• Upon logging in, you see the "Connecting" prompt -- with the rotating circle.
  
• When switching back to the main client screen after connecting, and after a match, you see "Loading" -- WITH THE ROTATING CIRCLE.
  
• When waiting for a match you see "Searching" -- WITH THE ROTATING CIRCLE!!!

How often have we been seeing that? How many times a day, day after day...


I'm telling you guys PGI IS MANIPULATING US!!!

GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT WE'LL BE PROGRAMMED TO DO NEXT!

I'M SO AFRAID I'M GOING TO BE TURNED INTO THE CANOOKIAN CANDIDATE!!!

Edited by Dimento Graven, 07 October 2019 - 10:51 AM.

[Jman5]

Siegegun, on 07 October 2019 - 09:24 AM, said:

I think map design plays into it as well. Lord, OZ, Protelis, all have huge points of truth in them, but I think it gets even worse when a large amount of maps encourage the nascar by their design. With huge centralized features they encourage the rotato-potato. This is why I try to drop into faction play, it just happens less if at all in that mode.

It happens less in Faction Play in large part because of the respawn system. If you tried rotating around the map you would constantly wind up getting sandwiched between the surviving players and the respawning ones. Not to mention the dropships blasting your butt.

Honestly, the anti-nascar people are completely misguided. Many really good players would love nothing more than to pick a mid-long range mech, sit back, and trade with you all game. Poke trading from a distance without being pressured is where a high skilled player will absolutely eviscerate teams. Forcing them out of their comfort zone and eventually into short range lopsided fights is the best way to beat teams with a couple of really good poke-trading players.

If I could use a strained football analogy: You don't beat the Patriots by out-quarterbacking Tom Brady. You beat him by not letting him play the game how he wants to play it. (ie: sitting comfortably in a pocket with all the time in the world to throw).

If some of the anti-nascar guys could just pay attention a little better and clean up their pathing, NASCAR is actually a great tactic to take away the biggest strengths a really good player in a pokey build has.

Edited by Jman5, 07 October 2019 - 11:15 AM.

[Prototelis]

The issue isn't nascar; it is that big engine stomp meta promotes bad play and an uninteresting/frustrating game.

[General Solo]

Jman5, on 07 October 2019 - 11:14 AM, said:

It happens less in Faction Play in large part because of the respawn system. If you tried rotating around the map you would constantly wind up getting sandwiched between the surviving players and the respawning ones. Not to mention the dropships blasting your butt.

Honestly, the anti-nascar people are completely misguided. Many really good players would love nothing more than to pick a mid-long range mech, sit back, and trade with you all game. Poke trading from a distance without being pressured is where a high skilled player will absolutely eviscerate teams. Forcing them out of their comfort zone and eventually into short range lopsided fights is the best way to beat teams with a couple of really good poke-trading players.

If I could use a strained football analogy: You don't beat the Patriots by out-quarterbacking Tom Brady. You beat him by not letting him play the game how he wants to play it. (ie: sitting comfortably in a pocket with all the time in the world to throw).

If some of the anti-nascar guys could just pay attention a little better and clean up their pathing, NASCAR is actually a great tactic to take away the biggest strengths a really good player in a pokey build has.

Would you say that good players have switched to dps builds as a result?
Cause I have

Edit: Not that Im good or anything
For example I use UAC's much more these days than gauss, especially since the old (rotation) maps returned.

Edited by OZHomerOZ, 07 October 2019 - 11:27 AM.

[Jman5]

OZHomerOZ, on 07 October 2019 - 11:23 AM, said:

Would you say that good players have switched to dps builds as a result?
Cause I have

Edit: Not that Im good or anything
For example I use UAC's much more these days than gauss, especially since the old (rotation) maps returned.

I dunno, that's an interesting theory.

[Siegegun]

Note I am not saying the maps are the only reason or a major reason it happens, it just seems to me it has SOMETHING to do with it. There is definitely less nascar on some maps for me. Or it just feels that way perhaps. there is of course nascaring on maps without central features. It just seems like less of it or less for me. Could very well be confirmation bias as well I guess.

[Johny Rocket]

Jman5, on 07 October 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

If you're actually a good assault player you want your team to NASCAR hard because it doesn't usually cost your team anything. You wont get left behind piloting anything at Direwolf Speed or greater because good assaults players do not get left behind. It's only giving your team to an opportunity to catch free kills from clueless opponents self-isolating themselves. If you can catch one or two free kills without losing anything, you're almost guaranteed to win.

Fast mechs have the easiest time disengaging from a fight so even if the other team holds a firing line against them, they will more often than not be able to pull back with only a few scratches.

In all of the game, there is only a single uncommon spawn, on a single map in a single mode where the timing is tight. That is HPG Manifold Skirmish mode when you have 5+ assaults so you get spillover into Bravo Lance. Usually even then, it requires a match with 2 or 3 very aggressive lights + assault lance support. And even then it depends which side you spawn, as one side is riskier than the other.

If you find yourself constantly "getting left behind" you are making mistakes plain and simple. You're slow off the start, you're moving in round about ways, you're stopping while the rest of your team is moving, you're running toward the enemy instead of toward your team, you're not cutting corners when possible, you're not paying attention to your team's movements, you're not aggressively pushing forward, you're setting up on some out of the way hill away from the rest of your team, or you're incapable of winning hilariously lopsided fights.

Reread my post. The simple fact when you are in an assault in a nascar you spend way more time running than you do shooting no matter how elite your *** is. You can do everything right and you are still moving more than shooting. I personally find the nascar boring and tedious no matter what mech I am playing.

Edited by Johny Rocket, 07 October 2019 - 06:46 PM.