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[Dee Eight]

FRAGTAST1C, on 03 November 2019 - 10:23 PM, said:

If you're trying to "win" this argument by attrition, i.e., make yourself sound so stupid that people will start to pity you and leave, then that's not going to happen.

Gagis said the same thing back on page 9 I think.

[Vanguard836]

Hazeclaw, on 04 November 2019 - 08:42 AM, said:

Which is why jarls weighs later seasons more heavily

Good to know. I thought I was just rusty, now I see I’m rusty and the calculations have changed hahaha.

[Dee Eight]

thievingmagpi, on 04 November 2019 - 08:03 AM, said:

it blows my mind that this is so difficult to understand.

It blows my mind that so many keep responding to the troll.

[Tesunie]

Hazeclaw, on 04 November 2019 - 08:42 AM, said:

Which is why jarls weighs later seasons more heavily

Not that I disbelieve you, but I wouldn't mind some more validation for this? Is there any source for this, and how much it's scoring is weighed on later seasons? (I'm presuming you mean it weighs more recent seasons more than past seasons.)

[justcallme A S H]

Dee Eight, on 04 November 2019 - 08:39 AM, said:

To expand on that, a lot of folks will go look at Jarl's as its a quick reference to the Quickplay leaderboard data going back to July 2016, but they'll only use the "overall" numbers usually when trying to disparage / attack someone on the forums. They'll conveniently choose to omit mentioning whether or not someone's play has shown consistent improvement for months, years, whatever. If you played 10,000 bad matches over a year, and then had 2,000 good matches over the following year, you're overall score is still being dragged down by those earlier 10,000 games. There's that expression "git gud" some love to throw out on comms / chat, but they never will admit when someone actually has. If someone has reached tier 1 and they have 16 consecutive months of killing enemies more often than dying and average match scores higher than their "overall" average, then they probably deserve to be there a lot more than someone who's never shown any signs of improvement and who've been playing the game far more often.

An entire paragraph that is, rather clearly, waffling about yourself.

Trying to justify "why" you should be Tier 1. Despite the fact your performance is only just above Tier 3, if PSR actually worked.

And that is the thing - it is all about interpreting the data given. You have shown time and time again that you are unable to understand basic metrics within MWO.

Also the KEY FACTOR YOU ARE IGNORING (of course, cause it suits your narative) - Skilled Player Exodus. The mass exodus of skilled players in the past 18 months is the only reason players such as you are increasing in AvgMS. If they were still in the game they would be punishing you left/right & centre. And this your Avg MS would not improve at all because bad play would ensure you get REKT.

That's quite literally the state of the MM in the past 18 months. If you think you have improved, marginally at best, when all the good players have left. That is LOL worthy level delusion.

[MTier Slayed Up]

GuardDogg, on 04 November 2019 - 08:02 AM, said:

I am happy. So what about the stats. It should not even exist. But, it is the way the tier system is. Nothing you can do about it, but all I am seeing is discrimination. And you sure are enjoying this. Trying to burn it into my head, that I am not a worthy player. Not going to happen. I am good as everyone else. I am not the match, damage score numbers guy. I do not call people out.

I mean, between improving or not, stats should reflect that. They have a purpose to exist. Of course there is discrimination, criticism, critique or all around frustration when you constantly have a flood of people who were originally stuck in T3 are now being bumped into T1 just due to a lack of players. That's the number one issue right now, a lack of players. So you have a sea of players who are basically just to be a body, to fill in a slot and to be farmed. Tiers don't matter anymore. People that routinely think they're not the issue are the same dorks that are the bottom of the barrel in stats and contribute almost nothing every game. Every. Single. Game.

[justcallme A S H]

Dee Eight, on 04 November 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:

It blows my mind that so many keep responding to the troll.

Who is that, you?

Thus far you've been caught red-handed lying.

Where to now?

[Nightbird]

If you want a good match maker, bump my thread, posting here doesn't help

https://mwomercs.com...thread-we-need/

[K O Z A K]

Tesunie, on 04 November 2019 - 09:43 AM, said:

Not that I disbelieve you, but I wouldn't mind some more validation for this? Is there any source for this, and how much it's scoring is weighed on later seasons? (I'm presuming you mean it weighs more recent seasons more than past seasons.)

the formula and explanation is at the bottom of the jarls list page

[Barkem Squirrel]

I played with a very bad computer, that ended up at less than 10 fps, then with the zeus patch there was the 360 rotation added where people in griffins and hunchbacks would have issues when hitting C, turning around, but with me it gave me mech Parkinson. I would phase from right to left or up and down. (note not move, but phase. due to not hitting what was infront of me, but only in bursts tothe sides.) So I took some time off or way less playing.

Then a new computer. So I started at low tier 5.
Now how good was I, well some of the events I could get into the top 10 on a mech chassis even at 15 or so FPS.

Now that I could see people, not phase right to left, It was just funny. I was leading charges in a LRM boat with the other team running from me. Little to say it was interesting. I got to Tier 3 in a few games and it just felt weird. Running a mech that I could just mop the other team with. The number of 500 match score games was ridiculous.

From bottom of tier 5 to 4 was a few games and tier 3 a few more. Now going through tier 3 took a bit. I had to get rid of the charge the other team mentality to kill them, they coudl shoot back and hit. Still I got to tier 2 not long after. Then just hit a level that it took a while to get tier 1, I progress but slowly. Now from getting tier 1 to the end of the bar did not take long. Total time from bottom of tier 5 to end of the bar on tier 1, 5 months, but it also had breaks in there.

[Mr Andersson]

GuardDogg, on 04 November 2019 - 05:31 AM, said:

I do. Play about 10 matches a day or night, depends on the day of the week. Most matches are about 3-5 mins long from 15.

Again, you demonstrate just how delusional you are. Ten games a day would make 300 a month. According to Jarl's List, you play a lot more than that. In March alone, you played 1320 matches.

[GuardDogg]

Mr Andersson, on 04 November 2019 - 03:54 PM, said:

Again, you demonstrate just how delusional you are. Ten games a day would make 300 a month. According to Jarl's List, you play a lot more than that. In March alone, you played 1320 matches.

What ever. Giver or take, and Maybe a some more on weekends. Each round is about 3-5 minutes, the lucky 15 minutes. Some months I do more if I am lucky to have free time.

Edited by GuardDogg, 04 November 2019 - 05:43 PM.

[Red Potato Standing By]

Dimento Graven, on 04 November 2019 - 08:24 AM, said:

But at issue is what's best for the longevity of the game, what probably should have been done to keep the game as fun for everyone as possible.

For the average person, losing match after match after match after match after match is just not fun, or at least not very fun for long, especially when a significant number of the losses are completely one sided stomps.

That's where a HEALTHY, NON VINDICTIVE, 'discriminative' set of rules should be applied to keep players of like, or nearly like skills, only facing each other, and away from players that are too poorly skilled to defend themselves, or from players that are too highly skilled to be defended against.

To me it 'feels' like you're trying to not so subtly introduce emotional trigger words to either veer the conversation in a specific direction, or to maybe gain support from people weak minded enough to be distracted by such.

Yes, please, if the only reason I've reached T1 is because I just happened to play enough matches where I didn't do too poorly, PLEASE discriminate my butt right out of T1 into whatever Tier I'd be the best fit for.

ULTIMATELY, had we had the population to support it, It should have been T5's only facing T5's, T4's only facing T4, etc., at that point we probably would have had the most best matches possible, you'd have people who were motivated to actually working at improving their skills to earn a higher rank.

As it is now from what I see in matches, you see the same potatoes making the same potato mistakes as have they been doing for the past several years.

Very frustrating, and I'll admit, makes me quite salty when I'm forced to play with these people.

Don’t worry us potatoes feel the same way... lol ( though minus the salty part as I haven’t been around long enough to get to that point)

[Prototelis]

You aren't including the time it takes to find and start a match.

In short; you played about 5 hours a day on average that month and you're telling people to get a life when you have played a game almost like a full time job.

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 04 November 2019 - 05:45 PM, said:

You aren't including the time it takes to find and start a match.

In short; you played about 5 hours a day on average that month and you're telling people to get a life when you have played a game almost like a full time job.

Yeah, that included. Sometimes, when look for match, I get one right away. That is about right. Nights 1-3 hour. 2-3 in morning after driving wife to her job. Nights, Get 1-2 hours (depends), then weekends, then sneak in "One more", "no, one more", ends up being a hour. All is give or take. Some days, nights do not. But what ever. I get lots of time in life now at my age, even reply to those who enjoy arguing "The Salts". I am not 15-45 years old. Where I had 8-14 hour shifts. Even 3 days straight. So...what ever.

Edited by GuardDogg, 04 November 2019 - 05:59 PM.

[Prototelis]

Wow. You can't even be honest about how much time you spend on a vidya game.

Hint; it's essentially a second job to you. You have no room to tell other people to get a life. Stop.

[GuardDogg]

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Prototelis, on 04 November 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

Wow. You can't even be honest about how much time you spend on a vidya game.

Hint; it's essentially a second job to you. You have no room to tell other people to get a life. Stop.

I work 4 hours a day, now. I have made my income Lots. plus I am retired. Did I tell anyone to get a life? Please point it out. Maybe I did? My apology's. Except for the younger salty ones. under 40.

Anyone else like to get into my life? Any questions?

Edited by GuardDogg, 04 November 2019 - 06:12 PM.

[Prototelis]

TFTI. I truly don't care. It also isn't related to the conversation.


You're out here telling people to get a life when you play more of this game than probably anyone in the thread. Do you see the irony in that?

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 04 November 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:

TFTI. I truly don't care. It also isn't related to the conversation.


You're out here telling people to get a life when you play more of this game than probably anyone in the thread. Do you see the irony in that?

Seems like you did care. I explained. So, did I tell you, to get a life? Are you writing for other people? See the irony in that.

Edited by GuardDogg, 04 November 2019 - 06:18 PM.

[Mystere]

Vanguard836, on 03 November 2019 - 08:11 PM, said:

Respectfully, it has been indicated that the plan, the intention for the current matchmaker is to rank players by skill.
Please see the original patch notes here https://mwomercs.com...-1430-18aug2015
and additional info here : https://mwomercs.com...-tiers-and-psr/

The key takeaways here are:

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That being said, breaking into Tier 1 is just a way for us to make sure you never play anyone in tier 4 or 5.

In other words: separate experienced players from new ones.

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If we were to turn off new player registration/sign-up and just let the current player base play on forever, eventually everyone will bubble up to Tier 2 or Tier 1.

Or in other words: it's an experience score, which means this was correct all along.

Edited by Mystere, 04 November 2019 - 06:27 PM.