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[Stormpaw]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 10:20 AM, said:

Considering I regularly put up 1000+ damage matches I would have to disagree with your assessment, I have so many matches because I have been playing a long time, I do **** off a lot like play troll mechs for fun but any person who knows me knows I am skilled beyond tier 2 but you have a right to your opinion no matter how inaccurate it is lol

sorry, but the reality is that you do not "regularly" put up 1000+ damage matches, you may have had some of those matches, but they must be being offset by plenty of much worse performances

you can find justifications for your performance, but your stats are what people are going to as objectively as possible perceive your skill level as. There are certainly ways to play the stats up and down, but not as much as you'd think

don't get me wrong, there are wayyy worse players in this game, but you have to realize there are also way better ones, if you keep dropping as you are, you are going to go into tier 1 in no time, but it's not going to mean very much, enjoy the game, and don't get hung up on the tier too much

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

Stormpaw, on 21 November 2019 - 11:06 AM, said:

sorry, but the reality is that you do not "regularly" put up 1000+ damage matches, you may have had some of those matches, but they must be being offset by plenty of much worse performances

you can find justifications for your performance, but your stats are what people are going to as objectively as possible perceive your skill level as. There are certainly ways to play the stats up and down, but not as much as you'd think

don't get me wrong, there are wayyy worse players in this game, but you have to realize there are also way better ones, if you keep dropping as you are, you are going to go into tier 1 in no time, but it's not going to mean very much, enjoy the game, and don't get hung up on the tier too much

Actually, when I play seriously, I do, that is just simple facts

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

also, most of my way worst rounds comes from playing challenging mechs, when i run around in meta I put up the #'s, that sir is reality , despite what you think reality is, not bragging, just being honest and yes i know there is better players, but i am not a lier and i don't have an e-peen as i don't do competitive play any more, use to love dropping with ms for old school faction play though, before i took a long break and came back to see qp modes in fp, which is bogus, especially considering I sit in que for about a decade in fp to even get a match

[Bud Crue]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

Actually, when I play seriously, I do, that is just simple facts

I too regularly put 1000+ damage matches...if by regularly you mean once a week.

Apropos of nothing, join us for Shi77y Mech Wednesdays. Nothing better than a bunch of sync dropping dopes in Spider 5Vs and mixed build Vindicators to humble the e-peen. One guy actually managed to make the tier bar go down a pixel.

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

that actually sounds fun lol

[Stormpaw]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 11:08 AM, said:

Actually, when I play seriously, I do, that is just simple facts

maybe, neither people on this forum, or the psr system can tell. Just because you say something is fact doesn't make it so

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

also, most of my way worst rounds comes from playing challenging mechs, when i run around in meta I put up the #'s, that sir is reality , despite what you think reality is, not bragging, just being honest and yes i know there is better players, but i am not a lier and i don't have an e-peen as i don't do competitive play any more, use to love dropping with ms for old school faction play though, before i took a long break and came back to see qp modes in fp, which is bogus, especially considering I sit in que for about a decade in fp to even get a match

I would imagine that playing challenging mechs produces worse performance, sure. But we don't know if it's true that you put up the numbers if you run "meta". What I think is irrelevant, I just look at the only objective information available, and that is the numbers, even though they might not tell the full picture, it's the best information available. It absolutely don't take a decade to get a fp drop.

Look, it's like this, if some dude shows up to an F1 race with the best drivers and cars participating, and comes with a 1950s VW beetle, and then proclaims the only reason he didn't get a podium finish even though he's an excellent driver, better than most drivers in the race, is that he chose to drive the beetle, and that he deserves that podium finish despite his performance......you can see how people might see this, right?

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

Stormpaw, on 21 November 2019 - 11:43 AM, said:

maybe, neither people on this forum, or the psr system can tell. Just because you say something is fact doesn't make it so



I would imagine that playing challenging mechs produces worse performance, sure. But we don't know if it's true that you put up the numbers if you run "meta". What I think is irrelevant, I just look at the only objective information available, and that is the numbers, even though they might not tell the full picture, it's the best information available. It absolutely don't take a decade to get a fp drop.

Look, it's like this, if some dude shows up to an F1 race with the best drivers and cars participating, and comes with a 1950s VW beetle, and then proclaims the only reason he didn't get a podium finish even though he's an excellent driver, better than most drivers in the race, is that he chose to drive the beetle, and that he deserves that podium finish despite his performance......you can see how people might see this, right?

I just find playing meta only to be boring, you can believe what you want, but if you play only meta re you really elite? or are you just aided by the best equipment that would make even a mediocre player look elite? I find it more fun to play a more challenging mech as long as it is not in a competitive setting, I play this game for fun as i hope all do, that is my idea of fun, yea, sometimes things don't go as planned and i get owned by a face humping firestarter with a longing for a cicada eye socket but that comes with the territory, I just learn from it and move on, anyway have a nice day and try to not be so serious, unless of course that is what rocks your ship lol

[Stormpaw]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 11:50 AM, said:

I just find playing meta only to be boring, you can believe what you want, but if you play only meta re you really elite? or are you just aided by the best equipment that would make even a mediocre player look elite? I find it more fun to play a more challenging mech as long as it is not in a competitive setting, I play this game for fun as i hope all do, that is my idea of fun, yea, sometimes things don't go as planned and i get owned by a face humping firestarter with a longing for a cicada eye socket but that comes with the territory, I just learn from it and move on, anyway have a nice day and try to not be so serious, unless of course that is what rocks your ship lol

no problem, then just enjoy the game how you like to enjoy it

I only play this account with strong builds, but only when I'm completely s**tfaced, like...can barely see anything. My main account I mostly play sober, and exclusively FP at this point. What mechs you play doesn't really affect your skill level, but a bad player playing best mechs will still perform poorly, and a very good player playing bad mechs will still generally do well

[John Bronco]

Good pilots have good stats regardless of what mech they play. Yes, there is an advantage to running meta, but it's not as significant as you want to think.

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

BlaizerP, on 21 November 2019 - 12:07 PM, said:

Good pilots have good stats regardless of what mech they play. Yes, there is an advantage to running meta, but it's not as significant as you want to think.

if you are saying a good player can get in a crap/troll mech and put up the same stats as he does in say a dual gause fafnir on a regular basis i call bs and yes meta does make as much significance of a difference as implied, if you are saying that a good player can get into a troll mech and put up better stats than a potato of a player in the same mech i agree, the simple fact is meta makes a HUGE difference in stats, if you want to prove me wrong, show me 1 game in a meta mech and then jump into that mech I posted and put up the same stats your first game, sure you will have good games here and there but you will also have games where you get owned because meta does in fact make that big a difference

[Bud Crue]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

...the simple fact is meta makes a HUGE difference in stats, if you want to prove me wrong, show me 1 game in a meta mech and then jump into that mech I posted and put up the same stats your first game, sure you will have good games here and there but you will also have games where you get owned because meta does in fact make that big a difference

Have you ever watched some of the more popular (I use that word only in the context of this community) streamers? Ash, B33f, even KingHark and a few others used to do exactly this quite frequently (that is, when they still streamed regularly). While they rarely made intentionally “bad” builds, they did often play less than meta mechs and builds, and yet still put up the same sorts of numbers as they do when running meta. Among the truly skilled players I honestly don’t think the precise “meta” build vs the not so meta (but not provocatively bad) build makes much difference based on what I have seen.

[Tarl Cabot]

MrMadguy, on 20 November 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

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Second - there is no such thing, as Tier 1 now. Population of players is so small in this game, that all flood gates are just constantly open, except may be some holiday event.

Third - PSR is lie. It doesn't tell anything about real player skill, as it's way too biased towards increasing. For example I'm in Tier 2, while with my stats I should have been in Tier 4, Tier 3 at best.

As noted, floodgates are not opened. Tier level reflecting better stats/skill is a lie, PSR is something the mechanism used to determine movement and it only has 4 level/movement points

-- Light Blue NPC (under 100 MS) Low Match Score
-- Dark Blue NPC (101-250 MS) Medium Match Score
-- Yellow NPC (251-400 MS) High Match Score
-- Red NPC ( 401+) Very High Match Score

And the difference in movement up or down via Tier is whether a team wins or loses. And on a win Light Blue is no movement while on a lose no movement comes at Yellow...

Nor has PGI touched the Tier/PSR directly, only indirectly by adding ways to increase MS. They added other activities that would generate MS points (AMS and several other items in April 2017) https://mwomercs.com...14111-18apr2017

And that is just dealing with the current Tier system. Next is the MM... should it really be using the "Tier" or should it utilize average MS based on last XX amount of games (200-500) from range of tiers?

[justcallme A S H]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

the difference between me and the "elite" players is that they ONLY play meta mechs that are easy to kill

Incorrect.

I've run LRM/XL Atlas, single ERPPC Cicada, LPPCs - all manner of silly/troll builds. In fact I run many mechs IS XL for example that most others would not because bod the fragility. It's risk vs reward. Sometimes I get insta gibbed early.

[justcallme A S H]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 12:20 PM, said:

if you are saying a good player can get in a crap/troll mech and put up the same stats as he does in say a dual gause fafnir on a regular basis i call bs and yes meta does make as much significance of a difference as implied, if you are saying that a good player can get into a troll mech and put up better stats than a potato of a player in the same mech i agree, the simple fact is meta makes a HUGE difference in stats, if you want to prove me wrong, show me 1 game in a meta mech and then jump into that mech I posted and put up the same stats your first game, sure you will have good games here and there but you will also have games where you get owned because meta does in fact make that big a difference

I do it live on stream?

There is no B/S. What is B/S is you're claim of doing constant 1k matches when you try. You ain't foolin' no one with those types of statements.

[Kubernetes]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

the difference between me and the "elite" players is that they ONLY play meta mechs that are easy to kill with and I play mechs that aren't easy to kill with and challenge my skills,

Lmao. Full of yourself much?

[Kubernetes]

The truth based on what, your inflated assessment of your own abilities?

If you are that good in "meta" builds, you've got the steepest dropoff in performance that I've ever seen when going from good to bad builds.

The truth is that there's nothing surprising or interesting in what you're saying. Every few months some big-talking scrub comes in here bragging about how he's so much better than his stats show, and how only performs badly because "I don't do meta blah blah blah."

It's simple to prove me wrong: starting Dec 1st, commit to playing only your best mechs. Try your hardest. Just do it for a week and show us. I want to see your massive kdr, a wlr > 2, and average match score > 400. Just one week. That should be EASY if you're as good as you say.

[Xiphias]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 10:20 AM, said:

Considering I regularly put up 1000+ damage matches I would have to disagree with your assessment, I have so many matches because I have been playing a long time, I do **** off a lot like play troll mechs for fun but any person who knows me knows I am skilled beyond tier 2 but you have a right to your opinion no matter how inaccurate it is lol

I hate to be that guy, but no, no you don't. If you are "regularly" putting up those kinds of (QP) matches you are even more regularly putting up terrible matches to average it out.

These are your publicly available stats: https://leaderboard....u=Nosferatu+666

Base on these stats you: 1) Lose more than you win 2) Die more than you kill 3) Don't regularly get 1000 damage matches 4) 38% on Jarls.

Why you have them is irrelevant, but based on your stats for the past 2+ years you wouldn't deserve to be in a "true" tier 2. Regardless of the reason, you make your teams more likely to lose when you are on them. That is not something worth being in T2 if the tiers were equally distributed.

Spoiler

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 10:29 AM, said:

so ya....disagree lol ^^^^^^, even with my trolling I am still well above 1:1 lmao

That's great, but irrelevant. All that says is that you used to be better than you are now. Your stats for the last 2.5 years put you at a sub 1 WLR. From the looks of it you probably could have been in a "true" T2 at one point, but based on your current performance you wouldn't be.

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

the difference between me and the "elite" players is that they ONLY play meta mechs that are easy to kill with and I play mechs that aren't easy to kill with and challenge my skills, for example my last 60+ matches were with a 3 light ppc cicada , it would be good if it wasn't for the min range on the light ppcs but the second a fast brawler sees me it is face hump city, want to impress me, get 4 kills in 1 match with a 3 light ppc cicada (my current record), the heat efficiency is 2 but like I said, you draw a lot of attention piloting it...running around in only meta mechs is like a man armed with a bazooka firing at a man holding a bb gun, there is no way you can lose unless you are plain terribad

This has been debunked so many times it's barely worth responding to. Good players can do well in any mech. Yes, they do better in meta mechs, but good players can troll and still do well. Running bad mechs isn't a valid excuse for having bad stats and even if it was it would mean that you shouldn't be in as high of a tier because the only thing that matters is how you perform, not why.

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 10:52 AM, said:

Spoiler

go ahead, impress me , that is the build, the skill tree is mostly obvious, do it to it brother

Okay.

Here's the build code for what I used:

AT0920_0|Nd|G@|i^|i^pW0|G@|i^qW0|^<2|G@|i^r90s90tX0uX0v<0|o<2w505050

I tweaked the armor a bit, but other than that it's identical. Skill tree is what I had on it previously for my 2PPC version.

Results:

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I included a shot from the match, just so it's clear that I did this in your build.

I actually got a bit lucky and this was my first match. I know I can't prove that, but if you look at my leaderboard stats for this month you can see that I'm ranked in lights, but not in mediums so some quick math will show you that I couldn't have played very many matches.

Total of 5 kills, 698 damage, 1 solo, 2 KMDD. Should have been 6 kills, but I missed getting the kill shot on the last guy.


Bad builds are not an excuse for bad stats.

[Tarl Cabot]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

the truth is the truth and I don't care how you feel about have nothing to prove, nothing to gain from doing so happy holidays all, go troll someone else this will be my last response, you little girls aren't worth my time Ps, to those that answered my question ty, for those that chose to troll, I hope you suffer a VERY painful end

Stats prove you are full of yourself, Mr Troll. If you were consistently doing 1K dmg in QP, your AVERAGE MS would not be floating around 200 MS, rounding down.

But lets give you the benefit of the doubt that you do not understand what being consistent means... Lets say every 10th game you pull a 1000pt game, that is, 10% (is this actually being consistent? : ) ). And you have played 1000 games, which 10% is 100 games, while having an AVG 200 MS.

avg 200 pts/game * 1000 games = 200,000 total pts
100 best games * 1000 pts/game = 100,000 pts for your best games

200,000 pts-100,000 pts = 100,000 pts left
100,000 pts left / 900 games = avg 111.11 MS/game

So you are saying that you shine only in 1 out of every 10 games, while averaging 111 MS in the other 9 games, yes? That is what you are saying,

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 21 November 2019 - 04:41 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

Nosferatu 666, on 21 November 2019 - 03:25 PM, said:

the truth is the truth and I don't care how you feel about have nothing to prove,

And let the backpeddaling commence.

[MOBAjobg]

Kubernetes, on 21 November 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

It's simple to prove me wrong: starting Dec 1st, commit to playing only your best mechs. Try your hardest. Just do it for a week and show us. I want to see your massive kdr, a wlr > 2, and average match score > 400. Just one week. That should be EASY if you're as good as you say.

I can't even achieve it. You are asking for a lot.

Edited by MOBAjobg, 21 November 2019 - 06:38 PM.