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[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

Ok, so I have a question about tier and quick play, not going to name any names to avoid being embarrassed, ok so as you can see I am tier 2, quickly climbing to tier 1, I quick play and after i die, doing quite a bit of kills and damage i spectate this guy that was taking on the guy i left cherry red in the center and my team mate was fresh, only a little yellow here an there, his aim was the worst I have ever seen (or so I thought at the time) he was shooting gause and med laser and i swear, he could not hit the broad side of a barn, he hit everywhere except the cherry red center being absolutely mauled but a near dead enemy, quickly succumbing to his demise, then i switched to the last guy who was also using gause but had large lasers, which was then the worst aim I have ever seen, even worse than the last guy somehow which I thought was pretty much impossible but i was wrong, this guy couldn't hit a mountain with his gause and every time he fired his large laser he hit every part of the enemy and everything around him, there was no way either of these players was tier 2, my question is and the answer is probably obvious, do they just drop you into a match with mixed elos and hope for the best or is there some kind of formula they use because if there is I am not seeing it....asking out of pure curiosity

[Mcgral18]

Tier ranking is simply an experience bar that will fill in time

Anyone who is not the pinnacle of Terribad will eventually reach Tier 1
Even those sub 40% on the Jarls list, average performance being quite poor, will climb to the "top"

[Gagis]

Tier 1 has the worst players nowadays. Its upside down.

[John Bronco]

Gagis, on 20 November 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:

Tier 1 has the worst players nowadays. Its upside down.

What? T1 has plenty of REALLY bad players, but they aren't any worse than what floats around in T5. And you occasionally run into good players.

[MrMadguy]

First of all, HSR doesn't work while spectating and sometimes it's desynced.

Second - there is no such thing, as Tier 1 now. Population of players is so small in this game, that all flood gates are just constantly open, except may be some holiday event.

Third - PSR is lie. It doesn't tell anything about real player skill, as it's way too biased towards increasing. For example I'm in Tier 2, while with my stats I should have been in Tier 4, Tier 3 at best.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

MrMadguy, on 20 November 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

Second - there is no such thing, as Tier 1 now. Population of players is so small in this game, that all flood gates are just constantly open, except may be some holiday event.

Third - PSR is lie. It doesn't tell anything about real player skill, as it's way too biased towards increasing. For example I'm in Tier 2, while with my stats I should have been in Tier 4, Tier 3 at best.

Second - is incorrect. The floodgates are not open. You drop in a 3-Tier range. Being T2 you can drop in 2 to 4 or 1 to 3, but not with T5.
Third - is correct. PSR is just an experience bar, nothing more. If you can stomach enough bad rounds, being bad, you still advance in Tier. You have to play really bad to stay in one tier.

Nosferatu, check this post for the active regulations of the matchmaker https://mwomercs.com...pdate-30052018/

[Prototelis]

MrMadguy, on 20 November 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

that all flood gates are just constantly open,

No.

There is still a two tier differential. I tested this recently while ASH was doing his Tier 3 in 3 matches.

[Horseman]

BlaizerP, on 20 November 2019 - 10:29 PM, said:

What? T1 has plenty of REALLY bad players, but they aren't any worse than what floats around in T5. And you occasionally run into good players.

Players who average 30% on the boards still get into T1 with enough matches played. Low tiers tend to be made up of newbies, casuals and terribads (with overlap between the latter two)

[Burning2nd]

The only thing i can point out, is when viewing another player.. your not really seeing what they see..

there is a very large lag that happens.. IDK why or how.. but its more useful to your team if "when your viewing" you use that time to Identify targets and help your team mates id weak points..

so if target bravo left torso is Ez one touch and hes running a Xl because you did the calculations quickly.. you can say
"target bravo visual right torso ez one touch"

"golf Rear ct ready to pop"

"echo moving south thru golf eight"

then again.. i hear you guys say things like target baker, and taker dilly....

even with language barriers... Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee

is world wide, we dont have to speak the same language to speak this language

So.... keep waiting till the match is over to talk

[justcallme A S H]

Prototelis, on 20 November 2019 - 10:50 PM, said:

No.

There is still a two tier differential. I tested this recently while ASH was doing his Tier 3 in 3 matches.

Correct. Granted my sample space was only a handful of games it's not entirely fool proof...

However...

When you play in Oceanic as I do and a game takes 10mins to find a match each time - if the gates were open it would be putting all the guys watching my stream (~60 or do when I did it) in games with me.

Which it did not. It was not until I was Tier 3 that I started to see familiar names, all of them are definitely Tier 1. Some guys were even on T4/T3 smurfs just to match against me after I had been searching for 10mins to try and kick start a match.

So the gates are absolutely still working, I believe, as outlined HERE. PSR is broken however and I pointed it out in that very thread HERE. Fast Forward 18 months and the Qs and game quality has become so bad that many players I know simply refuse to play QP anymore, or at best play limited.

I mean just myself I've gone from 250-350 matches a month to around 30. It just isn't worth waiting 10mins for a match in QP for it to end in 3mins with 3-6 players failing to break 100dmg because they have no place being above Tier 4 and them having made their way into Tier 1 is just absurd.

[BROARL]

justcallme A S H, on 21 November 2019 - 02:13 AM, said:

and the Qs and game quality has become so bad that many players I know simply refuse to play QP anymore, or at best play limited.

I mean just myself I've gone from 250-350 matches a month to around 30. It just isn't worth waiting 10mins for a match in QP for it to end in 3mins with 3-6 players failing to break 100dmg because they have no place being above Tier 4 and them having made their way into Tier 1 is just absurd.

^^^this^^^
and also: NASCAR.

[VonBruinwald]

MrMadguy, on 20 November 2019 - 10:41 PM, said:

For example I'm in Tier 2, while with my stats I should have been in Tier 4, Tier 3 at best.

Don't be so hard on yourself, you're a solid Tier 3, possibly a low-end 2.

There's an artificial raising of stats for the true Tier 1/top players as they have ample opportunity to farm potatoes who they shouldn't be matched with in the first place.

By reflection there's lower skilled players that should have higher stats because they're consistently matched against players beyond their pay grade.

[Horseman]

^ That.

[Comante]

Dunno, doesn't it look like lag when you are dead and see other teamplayers miss almost every shot despite having scored several kills already. If it was lag, I would see their target destroyed soon or later, instead they miss everywhere and their target does not. I'm not good at this game, this is self evident, but I can't understand how people like that perform better. They seem to play with a joypad instead with a mouse at least, their movement pattern look like that.

[Horseman]

Unlocking your arms is lostech for many players.

[Xiphias]

T2 matches with anything T4-T1 so it's quite possible you're getting matched with low tier players who can't aim. Unfortunately, it doesn't get much better when you get to T1 since due to an upward bias in the tier system there are a lot of really bad players in T1 that got there through shear number of matches played rather than through skill. I see that you've played quite a few matches which is part of why you've moved up so quickly. Not a slight against you, but you're not really a "true" tier 2 player based on your stats if the tiers were properly distributed.

Unfortunately, you're just going to have to get used to having these sorts of players on your team. It's not going to get significantly better when you get to T1 and the matchmaker will expect you to carry more weight. Just work on doing what you can to improve yourself and let your teammates do their thing, for better or for worse.

VonBruinwald, on 21 November 2019 - 05:02 AM, said:

Don't be so hard on yourself, you're a solid Tier 3, possibly a low-end 2.

There's an artificial raising of stats for the true Tier 1/top players as they have ample opportunity to farm potatoes who they shouldn't be matched with in the first place.

By reflection there's lower skilled players that should have higher stats because they're consistently matched against players beyond their pay grade.

I disagree with this analysis. The most accurate stats would be if no matchmaking existed and all players played all others. In that case the best players would have the best stats and the worst players would have the worst stats. This would accurately reflect their ability relative to the whole community and is close to what we have with T1 now.

On the flip side, if the matchmaker was nearly perfect you would expect everyone's stats to approach a WLR of ~1 since they would always be playing against similarly skilled players. In that case having a WLR of 1.0 becomes meaningless and what's important is the tier/ranking that player has.

You can't directly compare stats unless the players are in the same tier, since it's easier to get higher stats in the lower tiers by playing against weaker players. I take issue with the word "artificial", if a player is consistently being matched against players that are better than them it means that they probably aren't that strong of a player, if they are consistently matched against worse players they are probably a stronger player. Working tiers artificially lower the stats of true top players (by artificially matching them against each other) and elevate the stats of weaker players (by shielding them from better players).

There's nothing wrong with that (in fact it makes the game better for everyone involved), but completely random matchmaking provides the most accurate stats and matchmaking introduces "artificial" stats, not the other way around.

I agree with MrMadguy's analysis, based on his stats, in a properly distributed system he should probably be T4-T3. You should probably be upper T3 to low T2 (though your stats might be biased slightly higher if you aren't in T1), Horseman probably similarly depending on the metrics used (MS upper T2, WLR mid T3).

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

Xiphias, on 21 November 2019 - 06:28 AM, said:

T2 matches with anything T4-T1 so it's quite possible you're getting matched with low tier players who can't aim. Unfortunately, it doesn't get much better when you get to T1 since due to an upward bias in the tier system there are a lot of really bad players in T1 that got there through shear number of matches played rather than through skill. I see that you've played quite a few matches which is part of why you've moved up so quickly. Not a slight against you, but you're not really a "true" tier 2 player based on your stats if the tiers were properly distributed.

Considering I regularly put up 1000+ damage matches I would have to disagree with your assessment, I have so many matches because I have been playing a long time, I do **** off a lot like play troll mechs for fun but any person who knows me knows I am skilled beyond tier 2 but you have a right to your opinion no matter how inaccurate it is lol

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

so ya....disagree lol ^^^^^^, even with my trolling I am still well above 1:1 lmao

Edited by Nosferatu 666, 21 November 2019 - 10:29 AM.

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

the difference between me and the "elite" players is that they ONLY play meta mechs that are easy to kill with and I play mechs that aren't easy to kill with and challenge my skills, for example my last 60+ matches were with a 3 light ppc cicada , it would be good if it wasn't for the min range on the light ppcs but the second a fast brawler sees me it is face hump city, want to impress me, get 4 kills in 1 match with a 3 light ppc cicada (my current record), the heat efficiency is 2 but like I said, you draw a lot of attention piloting it...running around in only meta mechs is like a man armed with a bazooka firing at a man holding a bb gun, there is no way you can lose unless you are plain terribad

[PeekaBoo I C Ju]

go ahead, impress me , that is the build, the skill tree is mostly obvious, do it to it brother

Edited by Nosferatu 666, 21 November 2019 - 10:52 AM.