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[SneekiBreeki]

Isaiah Kell, on 28 December 2019 - 05:03 PM, said:

I'll believe it when i see it with a screen shot IS ERLL sniping winning against clan ERLL sniping in FW.

Don't need any screenies, just go Clan, drop against us and you'll be able to see for yourself.

Novakaine, on 28 December 2019 - 05:01 PM, said:

Thanks for proving my point again.
Ah personal insults the realm of the dull minded.
And the dim of wit.

>Complains about personal insults
>Hackusates and insults his opponents ingame

From now on i shall dub thee Douglas Grizzly 2.0

Also which point were you trying to prove? The one about you being delusional about your very own set of "competences" or lack of thereof or the one about you being willfully ignorant about your very own condition and still clinging to some outright antiquated and false beliefs such as "HURR CLANS OP LASVOM META STRONK"?

[Novakaine]

Please we given as good as we have gotten.
Like I said smug and arrogant all rolled in one.
How do ya'll simply stand each other is beyond me.
I'm sure some juvenile response is forthcoming.

[Prototelis]

I'm pretty sure no one has ever hackusated you in game lol.

Soooo.

[MisterSomaru]

Novakaine, on 28 December 2019 - 05:18 PM, said:

Please we given as good as we have gotten.
Like I said smug and arrogant all rolled in one.
How do ya'll simply stand each other is beyond me.
I'm sure some juvenile response is forthcoming.

Pee is stored in the balls

[Prototelis]

You know whats insane; is this thread is only about making games longer and not about removing objective play.

Kind of makes you wonder what goes on in a hoders head when they can't ERLL trade in IS mechs and cry "clans OP" the second someone wants to play a 20 minute game in FP instead of a 10 minute game after waiting on the Q.

Edited by Prototelis, 28 December 2019 - 05:31 PM.

[John Bronco]

Nah we just feel bad for you now. But hey, the game has only been out 8 years, still plenty of time for you to learn how to play.

[justcallme A S H]

sinba1ew, on 28 December 2019 - 12:36 PM, said:

Spoiler

i do not agree with this....
Slepnir is unfortunately MC so even tho he has +/-ok mounts he is not gonna be in everyone's dropdeck
Also... how is IS supposed to keep up with clan in range?

Battlemaster gives 10% range quirk but Clans have quirks too for their lasers / energy so lets look at flat values first

Still IS gets ERL's with

• 9 damage
  
• 8.75heat
  
• 675/1350 range
  
• 5tons
  
• 2crit slots

While clan gets ERL's with

• 10.75 damage
  
• 11.8heat
  
• 740/1480 range
  
• 4tons
  
• 1crit slot

It does not seen like IS can compete in any way above 700 meters due to damage falloff


Also clan gets lighter and smaller weapons, and that means that You can stack more heat sinks, so weapons being hotter is not that strong argument here


Above a battlemaster with 6 ERL's was shown on a picture, lets compare than 6 Er larges of IS and Clan (i am aware you can shoot 2, not 3 or you wil get ghost heat, but bare with me)

IS gets ERL's with

• 54 damage
  
• 52.5heat
  
• 675/1350 range
  
• 30tons
  
• 12crit slots

While clan gets ERL's with

• 64.5 damage
  
• 70.8heat
  
• 740/1480 range
  
• 24tons
  
• 6crit slot

SOooo.... Thats when You snipe and messed up as clan and got third sed of ERL's instead of ER-PPC for example (and those deal 5 more damage than our doing same heat.... they really do break the form with higher heat in clan tho keep higher damage).




You are stil not in a bad spot
You get bonus 6 slots and tons, so 6 heat sinks / 3 doubles (cauuse IS double heat sinks are twice the size and same efficiency)
Moreover around 1000 m range You vastly outdamage IS
Above 1200 we only mark You doing about 1 damage per ERL... and above 1350 IS gets shot at for free....

Question is how much damage this suboptimal build could do at that range
Hmm---about 3~2 per ERL...so yes, it is not best... but You keep that advantage of damage that You start acumulating as soon as we are (no quirks counted) 1500m away, and through poke You get 12-18 damage per salvo in ranges avove our range

Than still keep advantage til we get to range of 675 when finally we get to use our lasers in full.... still we got damaged a lot on aproach and often it already is a 9v12 cause the more sturdy mechs we have the slower they are, so we can not counter this by armor or the speed cause we have to sacrifice one for the other.

ahhh last thing... clan stil gets to have backup weapons or heat efficiency cause double heat sinks and get to move faster THX to XD without risk of dying to shoulder kill.

Say what You want, but THIS is not "IS being able to keep up on long range"

Why are you omitting the most important details here?

• IS can fire 3ERL without ghost heat. Clan can only fire 2.
  
• Laser duration/burn time. IS ERL duration is 0.2s faster and much more accurate as a result with less face-time.
  
• On a BLR-1G with 5 ERL you can alpha all 5 at once for 98-99%% heat.
  
• On IS Quirked mechs you can get even better duration (go mechlab for once).
  
• Again IS Quirks - Use ERL mechs with 10% range quirk only. Simple.

VageneMachine, on 28 December 2019 - 02:50 PM, said:

thats a good one.. bet it took you all day to come up with that one

All day? Probably 5mins because this should be common knowledge for anyone with a basic understanding of the Mechlab.

Hazeclaw, on 28 December 2019 - 03:14 PM, said:

the amount of starchiness in this thread is next level, I'm glad HHoD is taking on new players, but you people need to explain to them why they're losing, not just tell them "clam op"

100% agree.

HHoD is great they take on new players/train etc.
HHoD is bad because they teach them extremely bad habits/strats and then blame a non-existent tech-disparity.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 28 December 2019 - 05:27 PM.

[SneekiBreeki]

See Novakaine, this is not simply us being arrogant, all we're doing here is pointing out facts that have been pretty well known among this community for a long time already while you're still claiming them being false all the while you've been proved wrong time and time again.

In short: stop being delusional, stop clinging to some old AF BS beliefs and start using your braincells for once.

[Prototelis]

Less lore more war.

Maybe play a different team than Clan White Protagonist.

[Isaiah Kell]

MrSomaru, on 28 December 2019 - 05:09 PM, said:

I threw down the gauntlet earlier. You guys run clans, we run IS. We already know what will happen though. You guys would never do it. You get dumpstered when it's IS v IS too.

ACTUALLY, nah statistically, ya'll don't perform as well when you face us IS vs IS. Again, yes you win, but again, you=elitist, us=inclusive to all players.

[Prototelis]

^wut?

How is winning not performing better? Enlighten us.

Maybe y'all are the elitist. I haven't played in a single pick up group that doesn't let anyone in. (well except for humble dexter and skyravenwood)

[Isaiah Kell]

justcallme A S H, on 28 December 2019 - 05:26 PM, said:

Why are you omitting the most important details here?

• IS can fire 3ERL without ghost heat. Clan can only fire 2.
  
• Laser duration/burn time. IS ERL duration is 0.2s faster and much more accurate as a result with less face-time.
  
• On a BLR-1G with 5 ERL you can alpha all 5 at once for 98-99%% heat.
  
• On IS Quirked mechs you can get even better duration (go mechlab for once).
  
• Again IS Quirks - Use ERL mechs with 10% range quirk only. Simple.

All day? Probably 5mins because this should be common knowledge for anyone with a basic understanding of the Mechlab.



100% agree.

HHoD is great they take on new players/train etc.
HHoD is bad because they teach them extremely bad habits/strats and then blame a non-existent tech-disparity.

NON EXISTANT? whatevs. you're just trying not to get your precious clanner high damage at long range nerfed (despite that being what needs to happen)

Most important? nah, not the fact that your weapons do more damage at longer range? that's not what's important. nah whats important is nerfing all altwincons.... bs

10% range quirk... yeah that's enough (NOT) we have to devote min 5 tons to a TC to not match clan.

Edited by Isaiah Kell, 28 December 2019 - 05:46 PM.

[MisterSomaru]

Isaiah Kell, on 28 December 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

ACTUALLY, nah statistically, ya'll don't perform as well when you face us IS vs IS. Again, yes you win, but again, you=elitist, us=inclusive to all players.

running you guys down with atlases as a meme deck giggling like idiots with 48-14 seems like a pretty definitive win.

Edited by MrSomaru, 28 December 2019 - 05:45 PM.

[Prototelis]

The best long range trade mechs in the game are IS, and they are better than the best clan long range trade mechs by a very small margin.

[justcallme A S H]

Isaiah Kell, on 28 December 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

NON EXISTANT? whatevs. you're just trying not to get your precious clanner high damage at long range nerfed (despite that being what needs to happen)

Honestly if you guys all go to the Clan Side - your WLR won't improve.

Your strats/mechs and builds are the issue for you guys.

I prefer playing IS because it's more fun and much stronger as Clan mechs are paper. Problem is you scare Clanner units off if you beat them 1-2 times so I end up having to switch sides every 2-3 matches.

I mean I do it all live on stream so you cannot say any of it is untrue.

[Prototelis]

Again tho; I don't give a **** about the techbase I play.

The only thing I avoid is playing with loyalist units that never switch sides; they are among some of the worst players in Faction Play.

[justcallme A S H]

Now I'll talk about a specific example here of bad play/tactics causing the loss.

The story in dot point form... It was from yesterday.

• Boreal Vault - Attack. I am attacking in a PUG Team, I was solo dropping.
  
• HHoD 12 man are defending
  
• We have -QG-/SGNT/601 - all of these units/players are low skill. Should be easily winnable with 12man/organisation.
  
• There is ZERO comms on attackers side entire game.
  
• Defenders bring 10 LRM mechs and 2 NARC Ravens
  
• I kill the first NARC Raven within the first 3mins because it is standing still - you never stand still in a light
  
• Merata and I have ERL - we sit just outside the gate and ~1200-1300m from the enemies. This makes the LRMs a 100% useless weapon as HHoD are hiding on the platform.
  
• It was something like 15-2 in our favour in the first 7mins of the game. I had 5 or 6 of those kills from memory.
  
• You have people like Novakaine firing LRMs at me from 1300m away, missiles explode in the air before they even reach Merata & I - again, useless weapon/mech/piloting.
  
• No player on the defending side is torso twisting. They are all staring into the white abyss waiting for locks and standing still. My kill efficiency is therefore insane because it's less than 180dmg to CT/Kill a mech. Some of the LRMboats are XL, some I only need to put in 120dmg to kill them.

What was the end result of ATTACKING Boreal Vault against a 12man with a bad strat, poor positioning and incorrect loadouts for the map?




See --> HERE <--

The match was not won because Clan is overpowered. Boreal Defense would have to be the easiest map to win on and two players basically wiped out an entire wave on their own.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 28 December 2019 - 05:52 PM.

[K O Z A K]

ok, I think we lied to you long enough. I'll be entirely honest now. You're right, the reason we play clam is because it's ggez mode. My night gyr jumps to 500m and can fire all of it's 6 goose rifles and 8 ppcs at 3000m effectively, AND it can do it without overheating. It also runs 370kph, more than twice as fast as any IS light which allows me to always snipe at IS mechs which are completely outclassed by my ability to erase an entire enemy lance every time I alpha. You should come drop clan and see for yourself. This game is so unfair to IS players, it's even more evident when dropping as clan

[Rustyhammer]

Isaiah Kell, on 28 December 2019 - 05:03 PM, said:

"you guys" changes for HHoD all the time. We don't have an audition to join, we have a learning curve to deal with, and so, our unit skill is all over the place.
...

You keep claiming you get new players and train them but every time I see your group in FP it's the same players doing the same dumb ****.
So far, the best strat you came up that sometime works against complete pugs is NSR.
What learning curve you're talking about when pretty much everyone on your team landing in FP are playing this game for at least a year?

[Novakaine]

And we see the same cryhards night after night.
See how that works.