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[FRAGTAST1C]

I know there's no other way to put the ERPPC on the top-most slot in my Grasshopper 5P other than using SLs but that's wasted tonnage that could be used for a bigger engine. My real question is, I guess, is there any 70t IS mech that can do ERPPC pop-tart like the Summoner? I was looking at the Thanatos since it has two variants that can do ERPPC pop-tart (4S) and UAC10 pop-tart (5S) and they both have ECM but they're 5t heavier and kind of sluggish. Any suggestions?

[K O Z A K]

IS doesnt have a poptart as good as the summoner

Your options are really blackjack, uziel and maybe quickdraw

[-Winter]

You can poptart w/ the Grasshopper 5H torso mounted ERPPCs.

[Nightbird]

BJ is better for 2 ERPPC only, grasshopper is better for 2ERPPC+5ML for that close up punch

[RickySpanish]

The 5H is my go-to for poptarting. I run 2 heavy ppcs in the top mounts and 5 medium lasers. Unless long range is specifically required, the 5H is better than any summoner imo.

[justcallme A S H]

GHP-5H with HPPC is fine.

Refer exhibit A. From last night actually!

[AizakG]

If you want those high mounted ERPPC on the grasshopper desperately, you can run 4 ERPPC (firing all 4 in sets of 2 shouldn't overheat your mech, but it'll be hot), or more reasonably ERPPC+mediums, kinda like the HPPC build, having some lasers encase you get dived. But generally, when you look at IS heavy mechs with some type of PPC, HPPC is the way to go.

Other heavy mechs that can run JJ and ERPPC are warhammer-9D(S), cataphract, thanatos, quickdraw, thunderbolt, and catapult; of which, only the catapult hero (jester), quickdraw-4H, and thunderbolt-9SE have heat quirks. For JJ ERPPC heavy mechs, I think Grasshopper is the best option available. If you're willing to go lower tonnage, the BJ-3 is a good mech for IS ERPPC.

Edited by AizakG, 27 January 2020 - 02:23 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

AizakG, on 27 January 2020 - 01:04 PM, said:

If you want those high mounted ERPPC on the grasshopper, you can run 4 ERPPC

4 ERPPC on a GHP

You mean 2, right?

4 ERPPC only allows for 18DHS/2JJ - that's not enough sustain. Additionally 2 of the ERPPCs are around the balls basically.

4 ERPPC even on heat quirked Assaults is hot.

[AizakG]

@Ash

You're right. 4ERPPC, 4JJ, light engine 280 (65.9kph) with 15 DHS is 2.72 sustained DPS without skills, and can barely shoot 2 volleys of 2 ERPPC. Very hot, and I wouldn't recommend it. I'll edit to make that more clear.

Edited by AizakG, 27 January 2020 - 02:22 PM.

[Vxheous]

I run 2 HPPC + 4ML for poptarting in the grasshopper H. That game Ash was posted earlier was 2 HPPC 3 ML but I was still messing with the build.

[RickySpanish]

Vxheous, on 27 January 2020 - 03:03 PM, said:

I run 2 HPPC + 4ML for poptarting in the grasshopper H. That game Ash was posted earlier was 2 HPPC 3 ML but I was still messing with the build.

If you don't mind sharing, what engine do you run with that?

[justcallme A S H]

LFE300 pretty sure he ended up with, 16DHS

I XL mine because reasons... lol.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 27 January 2020 - 04:50 PM.

[Y E O N N E]

CPLT-C2 can poptart with UAC/10s.

WHM-9D can poptart with ERPPCs or HPPCs, basically same builds as the GHR but with WHM mounts (AKA, the highs are not as close to the cockpit as the GHR but you don't have to put anything in there to bump them up).

Neither is as overall good at poptarting as a BJ-3 poptarting with ERPPC or HPPC. And, as others have said, it's better to put more guns on the GHR anyway because otherwise it's wasting 25 tons.

[Vxheous]

RickySpanish, on 27 January 2020 - 04:17 PM, said:

If you don't mind sharing, what engine do you run with that?

This is what I ended up with, but since I've only played 3 games with the HPPC build, and have been slowly increasing the amount of ML I carry (my first iteration was 2 HPPC + 2 ERSL, found I had overabundance of heat), it might change further as I play it.


I've thought about taking the TC1 and 1 JJ off, upping left arm armor and putting in a 5th ML, haven't tried it yet though.

Edited by Vxheous, 27 January 2020 - 05:00 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

You could drop 6-7pts off each leg and put into the arm! No way you're gonna get legged even with 66-68ea and no idea how I didn't pick that up last night when we were talking about it

5ML is hot if you get pushed on after you've just shot a HPPC volley I found in that to back up with a 2nd/3rd round of 5ML, you're cooked. 4ML was a nice balance for the extra JJ.

I actually run 4ML now on mine as well like this: GHR-5H

It is specifically for FP though - thus 2 laser in the arms. Surprising how often they come in handy, as I'm usually dropping it on specific maps and UAVs are a pain in the butt on them. Works well.

QP 5ML is probably fine and just 2JJ.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 27 January 2020 - 05:32 PM.

[RickySpanish]

Thanks that's interesting, I've run mine with 5 ML and an XL 300 and packed it full of heatsinks. It does indeed work fine in QP but I imagine it would get XL checked in FP.

[Vxheous]

justcallme A S H, on 27 January 2020 - 05:32 PM, said:

You could drop 6-7pts off each leg and put into the arm! No way you're gonna get legged even with 66-68ea and no idea how I didn't pick that up last night when we were talking about it

5ML is hot if you get pushed on after you've just shot a HPPC volley I found in that to back up with a 2nd/3rd round of 5ML, you're cooked. 4ML was a nice balance for the extra JJ.

I actually run 4ML now on mine as well like this: GHR-5H

It is specifically for FP though - thus 2 laser in the arms. Surprising how often they come in handy, as I'm usually dropping it on specific maps and UAVs are a pain in the butt on them. Works well.

QP 5ML is probably fine and just 2JJ.

I jump a lot, and end up taking leg damage from falling, so almost all my poptarts run max/almost max leg armour. Not to mention eating LRM/ATM volleys to the legs.

Edited by Vxheous, 27 January 2020 - 06:09 PM.

[justcallme A S H]

I always save just enough for normally safe landing.

[FRAGTAST1C]

I have the Warhammer 9D(S) that I use for XL HPPC + MLs. I'm happy with it though I'd like to have a better hardpoint placement for the HPPCs.

I have just 1 Grasshopper which is the 5P and I have tried all of those builds (HPPC with XL, ERPPC with MLs, 3 LL + 5 ERML vomit) and I'm currently keeping the laser vomit build. What I wanted was an IS Heavy mech around the 70t bracket for FP to bring pop-tarting ERPPCs for long-range or UAC10s for mid-range. I'll buy the 5H when I get the chance and try it out.

I do have the ERPPC Blackjack and it's great. I was hoping to set up a deck for ERPPC only. Any thoughts on the Thanatos (although I think I already know the answer)? I was thinking about the Jester as well but I wasn't too sure.

[justcallme A S H]

The 5P is not really good at any of those... Just ERL.

The 5H is better for anything else energy as the heat quirk is what makes the mech.