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[MTier Slayed Up]

How's that a rollback? lmfao.

One expands on an idea and the other simplifies it without saying the exact term "killing mechs"?

STAHP THIS THREAD PLEASE!

TOO MANY MEMES!

Edited by DrtyDshSoap, 06 March 2020 - 03:16 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

DrtyDshSoap, on 06 March 2020 - 03:16 AM, said:

How's that a rollback? lmfao.

One expands on an idea and the other simplifies it without saying the exact term "killing mechs"?

He's got his cause and effects backwards.

Armour sharing directly contributes to battle attrition.
Shooting enemy mechs directly contributes to battle attrition.

Armour sharing does not directly contribute to shooting the enemy.

Edited by VonBruinwald, 06 March 2020 - 03:39 AM.

[K O Z A K]

VonBruinwald, on 06 March 2020 - 03:37 AM, said:

He's got his cause and effects backwards.

Armour sharing directly contributes to battle attrition.
Shooting enemy mechs directly contributes to battle attrition.

Armour sharing does not directly contribute to shooting the enemy.

But does shooting the enemy directly contribute to armour sharing?

[Kubernetes]

I can't believe you morons are still fighting over this.

"The weave pattern is over, under, over, under."
"No its not you idiot it's under, over, under, over."

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

Kubernetes, on 06 March 2020 - 08:25 AM, said:

I can't believe you morons are still fighting over this.

"The weave pattern is over, under, over, under."
"No its not you idiot it's under, over, under, over."

.. did you know it takes 3 teams to nascar?

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 06 March 2020 - 08:51 AM.

[memorandum]

if you want to snipe then i suggest this ADR-PRIME

[OmniFail]

Hazeclaw, on 06 March 2020 - 07:05 AM, said:

But does shooting the enemy directly contribute to armour sharing?

Good question.

Shooting the enemy does not contribute to armor sharing. But it does contribute to working towards triggering the most common win condition in the game. Destroying enemy mechs. Whereas, you can share and spend armor in the most efficient way possible and you will not kill any enemy mechs with your mad crazy armor sharing skills. To kill mechs you will have to use your guns.

What the cult of armor sharing really wants is for you to use your armor peeking, poking, and drawing fire until the enemy is softened up and over heating. So they can choose that moment to pop out and pad their numbers with true skill and courage.

Don't let them shame you into being their rubes.
Insist that they move with the team and focus fire on called targets.
Focus fire is still the most efficient way for the team to destroy targets.

[Knight Captain Morgan]

memorandum, on 06 March 2020 - 08:54 AM, said:

if you want to snipe then i suggest this ADR-PRIME

I prefer the 2 erppc shadow cat. It’s faster, can jump, & has ecm.

[Mechi Messer]

Being a dumb fudge in an assault and lbx every enemy a couple of times at 1500m while your team gets slaughtered = badbadbad

All of a sudden run around the corner alone with brawlerassault towards enemy and yell at own team: "though shall share armor!" = badbadbad

Can we agree on that?

[OmniFail]

I think that this video from BlackhawkSC is pretty relevant to this thread. May OP will find it useful.

[Prototelis]

VonBruinwald, on 06 March 2020 - 03:06 AM, said:

Nice rollback. You keep redefining those terms.

Dead mechs cannot shoot. Health pool is directly related to available fire power.

[VonBruinwald]

Prototelis, on 06 March 2020 - 10:49 AM, said:

Dead mechs cannot shoot. Armour sharing is directly related to available fire power.

Are you saying 'mech that's stripped of it's weapons can't share armour?

[OmniFail]

Prototelis, on 06 March 2020 - 10:49 AM, said:

Dead mechs cannot shoot. Health pool is directly related to available fire power.

Yes, dead mechs cannot shoot, but your teammates armor is not directly related to your firepower. The armor on your team mates mechs dose not increase your fire power. It is the collective weapons that a team can focus on a target that makes the real difference and not the collective armor of the team.

It is to be noted that there are no mechs with enough armor that they can stand up to focused fire from the most moderately skilled players working as a team.

While a team can focus fire on the enemy, you cannot focus armor on the enemy and expect them to die from it.

Edited by OmniFail, 06 March 2020 - 11:12 AM.

[OmniFail]

VonBruinwald, on 06 March 2020 - 11:00 AM, said:

Are you saying 'mech that's stripped of it's weapons can't share armour?

It can share armor but it cannot trigger the kill mechs win conditions. The best it can do is participate in the collect resources types of objectives.

If enemy team members shoot at an unarmed mech, then they are bady bads because they are not focusing fire wisely. One caveat to this is killing the mech because of recon that it may provide to its team mates. Taking this option should be saved for when the team is not drawing fire or the killing the unarmed mech will stop the team from drawing fire.

Edited by OmniFail, 06 March 2020 - 11:29 AM.

[Prototelis]

VonBruinwald, on 06 March 2020 - 11:00 AM, said:

Are you saying 'mech that's stripped of it's weapons can't share armour?

Mechs stripped of weapons cannot contribute fire power, they are essentially dead.

OmniFail, on 06 March 2020 - 11:11 AM, said:

Yes, dead mechs cannot shoot, but your teammates armor is not directly related to your firepower.

Yes, it is. Health is directly related to the amount of firepower you can contribute. Both in the amount of weapons you may have left, and your ability to continue to make trades without dying.

This is why organized teams rotate damaged mechs to the back, so they can still contribute firepower without dying.

Edited by Prototelis, 06 March 2020 - 11:35 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

VonBruinwald, on 06 March 2020 - 11:00 AM, said:

Are you saying 'mech that's stripped of it's weapons can't share armour?

Prototelis, on 06 March 2020 - 11:33 AM, said:

Mechs stripped of weapons cannot contribute fire power, they are essentially dead.

Avoiding the question. Fire power=/=Health

[Prototelis]

I am not avoiding the question, a stripped mech is essentially removed from health pool.

It's either going to die very soon, or be ignored.

Health pool and available fire power are directly related. In your example a stripped mech is unable to contribute to available firepower because it's health is depleted. Even if it has been butt farmed by an mg mech, that is probably the result of not utilizing health pooling by being in zimbabwe, alone, and out of the fight entirely.

[D U N E]

To be fair, a stripped mech can contribute to the health pool, but that's only if the enemy is being idiotic and the stripped mech in question is in a position that it can share it's armour. Like if in a range trade, the stripped mech can expose to draw fire and then the real attacker pulls up afterwards. Or in a brawl push when your enemy doesn't target for efficiency and instead is just shooting the first thing they see.

That said, no where near as good as the mech still being operational and declining the enemies health pool.

[OmniFail]

Hmmm....

Lets say both the red and blue team both have two surviving mechs each to share armor with each other in a skirmish match. But all mechs are stripped of weapons or out of ammo.

Will the team that can share armor most efficiently still win the game? Is armor still directly contributing to firepower?

Or is it like I propose and it is really about firepower?

[Prototelis]

Uh, yes, Health pool is still directly related to firepower.

If those mechs are stripped it is because they have low available health pool. lol.

If either team had health pooled more effectively they would likely still have weapons or greater numbers.

What you are describing alone is generally incredibly rare, because most players understand the value health pooling.

Edited by Prototelis, 06 March 2020 - 01:26 PM.