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[Anomalocaris]

https://mwomercs.com...es-4-week-test/

Offer your comments. Many warned Paul against this, but per usual, didn't do any good. I'm sure some of you are very happy about it though.

I'm out for the next 4 weeks (or longer if they don't revert). If you're a baby seal I hope you don't get clubbed too hard, or at least you can wait it out till the elite players get bored and leave the queue.

[Sniper09121986]

Because we have absolutely not been there before!

Edited by Sniper09121986, 27 April 2020 - 12:02 PM.

[Anharn]

Are they keeping the tier separation? If so there shouldn't be much baby seal clubbing.

[Anomalocaris]

Anharn, on 27 April 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

Are they keeping the tier separation? If so there shouldn't be much baby seal clubbing.

You clearly haven't been paying attention to all the potatoes that have been given puberty blockers in Tier 1. The current Tier system is completely broken.

[Sniper09121986]

Anharn, on 27 April 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

Are they keeping the tier separation? If so there shouldn't be much baby seal clubbing.

There is no tier filtering in group queue, and Paul's post said nothing about monitoring tiers for groups and solos. If I am reading this right, an EMP group is as likely to drop in T5 match as an LFG T5 pug group in a T1 match. Seven years later we are back at square one.

[Belorion]

That's not true, there are lots of people I don't get into matches with anymore since switching tiers.

[Sniper09121986]

Belorion, on 27 April 2020 - 12:35 PM, said:

That's not true, there are lots of people I don't get into matches with anymore since switching tiers.

In solo queue now, yes. But after the patch you may be seeing all sorts of players since it is unclear if tier will be monitored for groups. The idea behind the group queue has been for the players to regulate themselves within their own groups, and there is no indication how (if at all) the groups will be gauged for solo queue placement.

[Belorion]

Obviously they can't strictly adhere to it, if you have any tier 1 players I would think it should consider the whole group tier one. Just so that you keep the roflestomping down.

[Gagis]

Belorion, on 27 April 2020 - 12:58 PM, said:

Obviously they can't strictly adhere to it, if you have any tier 1 players I would think it should consider the whole group tier one. Just so that you keep the roflestomping down.

The worst players in MWO are playing Solo QP in Tier 1. I'd rather play with lower-tier players who might still have some willingness to learn and to play with their team left.

[R Valentine]

RIP solo queue.

[Nearly Dead]

Let's play the hand they deal to the best of our ability and give feedback here to try and improve it. It doesn't sound like they are going to do anything to fix the Tier Inflation problem which is a bad sign.

I plan to go on playing and posting even thought I am just an ordinary QP player with less than 1500 hours in the game. Someone needs to represent Joe A. Solo. I hope that those who have been here a long time who play solo and group will come in and help test the waters.

And if worse comes to worse we do have the ultimate veto, although maybe the threat of the game population reaching zero doesn't really worry them. It is fishing season, maybe they have other things they want to do.

[Brain Cancer]

Anharn, on 27 April 2020 - 12:18 PM, said:

Are they keeping the tier separation? If so there shouldn't be much baby seal clubbing.

Given that tier separation doesn't really matter from 1-3, and you'd have to be terminally inbred to not eventually end up T3+...oh, there will be LOTS of seal clubbing. People can already solo-carry a PUG with enough skill.

Four people working together? Better hope your organized lance of bois is better than theirs if you're soloing, or you're so stronk you could have carried the team by yourself anyway.

[VonBruinwald]

It will be interesting to see how many of the "I only play FW" start dropping in QP.

[CFC Conky]

It will be fun to see how far towards Tier 5 the tryhards can shove me...

[Brain Cancer]

CFC Conky, on 27 April 2020 - 02:54 PM, said:

It will be fun to see how far towards Tier 5 the tryhards can shove me...

Statistically?

Barely at all. The PSR system is so positively biased that short of not playing other than to shoot your own team, you'll take an age to even drop a perceptible amount in T2, never mind actually dropping to 3 or less. And if you hit 4, you'd be outside of tryhard T1 group play anyway.

[JediPanther]

I've been playing other games. Doubt this like any of the other times pgi has tried will improve the game. My steam library keeps growing. I guess when you are space rich and have the mechs you want mastered with enough xp to get all the 240 or so skill nodes there isn't much else to do but run derp builds. Maybe if older mechs and heroes didn't suck I'd get them but I can't bring myself to buy mc any more. I can buy the c-bills mechs and skill them out within a few minutes which is nice after seven years playing.

[ZippySpeedMonkey]

This is stupid beyond belief.

Now all you'll have is groups of maxed out mechs clubbing the few new players in non mastered mechs. I can't see how this would encourage new players to stick around for an extended period of time.

Also as most of you know I play mainly solo Que. If I wanted to play in a group I'd join the group Que. The reason why both group play and faction play are dead is that you'd have really skilled / organized groups stomping the unorganized "fun" groups. This isn't fun for casual player and thus lead to the decline in these groups. All you've done is now brought the same problem to the solo Que. A terrible idea.

As a side note I also don't like the idea of it being forced down my throat.

[RickySpanish]

Exclusively QP'er here, looking forward to the change. It will be fun to find matches with my mates, and the possibility of having organized groups on my team is tantalizing. I think that the highest tier of the group should be used for match making purpises though, the tonnage limit is not a suitable way to limit the power of a four player group, since you can still just run srm bombers.

[Xmith]

Gagis, on 27 April 2020 - 01:02 PM, said:

The worst players in MWO are playing Solo QP in Tier 1. I'd rather play with lower-tier players who might still have some willingness to learn and to play with their team left.

Yeah right. Imo, T1 players would rather play lower tiers because it is easier. It takes off some of the pressure of playing at T1 levels of play. As everyone know there are a lot of T1 players playing in lower tiers including yourself it appears. Half your team could be T1 players for all you know.

I'm looking forward to this experiment. We are just testing. Doesn't hurt to try something different for a while.

[RickySpanish]

Xmith, on 27 April 2020 - 07:40 PM, said:

Yeah right. Imo, T1 players would rather play lower tiers because it is easier. It takes off some of the pressure of playing at T1 levels of play. As everyone know there are a lot of T1 players playing in lower tiers including yourself it appears. Half your team could be T1 players for all you know.

I'm looking forward to this experiment. We are just testing. Doesn't hurt to try something different for a while.

I made an alt a little while ago and played out the cadet games. From my experience, players at t4-5 are *substantially* worse than at higher tiers. There might be some t1 alts floating around but I doubt there are many.