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[FRAGTAST1C]

puresense, on 29 May 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Cadet in trial mech in T1 match.
''Muh rumors ''

There are a few people on here who rely on their bad data taking devices a.k.a., Eyes, and also have a massive confirmation bias. You can't get through to them.

[Three Cats In A Trench Coat]

DeadWeight18, on 29 May 2020 - 01:21 AM, said:

Luck is a fundamental part of life.

lol, we're still talking about a game and not irl...you shouldn't put players against better players just because they were lucky. that would not be fun for either side

[DeadWeight18]

TheUltimateGhost, on 29 May 2020 - 02:27 AM, said:

lol, we're still talking about a game and not irl...you shouldn't put players against better players just because they were lucky. that would not be fun for either side

I agree that this is no fun for both sides ... unless it gets balanced by the game it self.

[Horseman]

DeadWeight18, on 29 May 2020 - 01:21 AM, said:

Luck is a fundamental part of life.

The problem is that if you reward underperformers on the winning side, you're basically allowing them to be carried upwards, eg if they often drop with a group that's comprised of more capable players.

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Yeah "supposed" but it does not happen.

Tiering is not currently working with our MW population and your stats show me that you are not pitted often enough against your peers Don't you agree?

Absolutely.

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Hence if you guys want challenging matches you have to accept to take EXTRA nerfs.

Not really. With a properly working matchmaker and proper tier distribution after the reset, those nerfs would take the form of pairing us with lower ranked players until both sides of the match are broadly equal in capabilities.

Edited by Horseman, 29 May 2020 - 02:49 AM.

[Andrzej Lechrenski]

AnassRhammar, on 28 May 2020 - 09:11 PM, said:

I'll call you on that.
But they are. I finished my cadet 2 weeks ago, during which I was matched up against justcallmeASH in a QP match with him in a group. Needless to say, I got absolutely decimated.

Tier 4 at the time.


My vote is for yes, there needs to be something done about the psr and would happily support a reset

were you in a group?

puresense, on 29 May 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Cadet in trial mech in T1 match.
''Muh rumors ''

was he in a group?

FRAGTAST1C, on 29 May 2020 - 02:24 AM, said:

There are a few people on here who rely on their bad data taking devices a.k.a., Eyes, and also have a massive confirmation bias. You can't get through to them.

ha. ha.

are they in groups?

[Aidan Crenshaw]

puresense, on 29 May 2020 - 02:20 AM, said:

Cadet in trial mech in T1 match.
''Muh rumors ''

said cadet is likely in a group. the second group on the same team always is put into bravo lance.

[Scout Derek]

Andrzej Lechrenski, on 28 May 2020 - 02:28 AM, said:

People are spreading rumors (I won't raise from the ASHes any names) that cadets are getting matched against T1 players. Because of course the den of ego and idiocy that is Outreach HPG would be spreading that.

They in fact are







And I'm just going to add this here too; You didn't specify the how of it.

But go ahead and ramble some more, I'd love to hear what someone of your stature has to say about other respectable people

[Aidan Crenshaw]

in the above samples, again the cadets are most likely or definitely part of a group with higher tier players. So their appearance is not unexpected.

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Aidan Crenshaw, on 29 May 2020 - 02:56 AM, said:

in the above samples, again the cadets are most likely or definitely part of a group with higher tier players. So their appearance is not unexpected.

How we can prove that this is happening?
Bennesto as a cadet, playing solo was facing T1 players. And not only T1 like ''i earned T1 in 15k games'' but those from top 1%.

[Andrzej Lechrenski]

Scout Derek, on 29 May 2020 - 02:51 AM, said:

They in fact are







And I'm just going to add this here too; You didn't specify the how of it.

But go ahead and ramble some more, I'd love to hear what someone of your stature has to say about other respectable people

lol. Beautiful circle jerk you rumor-mongers turned Outreach HPG into. How much you have contributed to the game. Such wow.

Aidan Crenshaw, on 29 May 2020 - 02:56 AM, said:

in the above samples, again the cadets are most likely or definitely part of a group with higher tier players. So their appearance is not unexpected.

They don't care. What they care about is that the Game Lords are right. Even if the card says "Moops".

[Scout Derek]

Andrzej Lechrenski, on 29 May 2020 - 03:21 AM, said:

lol. Beautiful circle jerk you rumor-mongers turned Outreach HPG into. How much you have contributed to the game. Such wow.



They don't care. What they care about is that the Game Lords are right. Even if the card says "Moops".

ThEy dOn'T cArE.

Please, go complain some more, because people would actually rather not subject new players, regardless of being in a group or not, to being thrown into the queues and suffer the crappy platform of matchmaking we suffer now.

But go ahead, hide in your little circle of friends and gossip some more, that'll show us whose boss won't it?

[Coffeeghoul]

A while ago, I made a second acount. After the tutorial, I was in T4. After 2 cadet games, I was in T3. In my third Cadet match, I faced 2 world champions. I played solo and I'm far, far away from the top ranks of this game.
If there's something strange in your Mechwarriorhood, who you gonna call? PSR-Busters!

[Andrzej Lechrenski]

Scout Derek, on 29 May 2020 - 03:30 AM, said:

ThEy dOn'T cArE.

Please, go complain some more, because people would actually rather not subject new players, regardless of being in a group or not, to being thrown into the queues and suffer the crappy platform of matchmaking we suffer now.

But go ahead, hide in your little circle of friends and gossip some more, that'll show us whose boss won't it?

I don't think you care about "new players". I think you care about new worshipers. It's sad.

Matchmaking simply IS bad right now. But stooping to lying about it? WTF? WHY?

[warner2]

Please reset PSR.

[DevinMace]

Cadets will get matched with everyone and everyone with everyone else for one obvious reason.. there is only so many people playing the game. The matchmaker is not going to sit with 9 people in queue from her 1 for 20 minutes if there are people available to play. If a cadet goes into a game and gets crushed and quits, well they wouldn't of lasted anyway.

Yes it does happen but it doesn't always happen these are just the realities.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

puresense, on 29 May 2020 - 03:19 AM, said:

How we can prove that this is happening?
Bennesto as a cadet, playing solo was facing T1 players. And not only T1 like ''i earned T1 in 15k games'' but those from top 1%.

The key question to ask in this context is WHEN. Because if it was during the 4 week testphase, everything is possible in my eyes, as it is unclear when which MM-settings were active. After Monday, with PSR settings tight, it should be an exception due to low player count maybe, but I doubt that.

[kilgor]

I'd say, list the current Tier level as a historical item on the account, then reset it. After that, have it decay over time as well. There also needs to be some better logic, such as not being a major point loss if it's a quick stomp or if you are on the stomped side, if your relative performance is better than your teammates, you can still improve.

Perhaps the performance evaluation should solely be based on your team as opposed to the winning or losing side and vs both sides. This would definitely allow a solo player who is good but always on bad teams still show a decent performance improvement.

Edited by kilgor, 29 May 2020 - 04:33 AM.

[RubberDarkDuck]

Andrzej Lechrenski, on 29 May 2020 - 03:37 AM, said:

I don't think you care about "new players". I think you care about new worshipers. It's sad.

Matchmaking simply IS bad right now. But stooping to lying about it? WTF? WHY?

There's nothing to lie about. We've seen cadets in T1 games in live streams and we've seen many screenshots. There's also first person experience from Bennesto in his new account. What other proofs do you need?

At this point, you look like the one lying just to be right.

Oh and, also yes to Zero sum PSR and PSR reset.

Edited by RubberDarkDuck, 29 May 2020 - 04:52 AM.

[Not Very Good At This]

so needs resetting

Edited by Not Very Good At This, 29 May 2020 - 04:59 AM.

[Black Ivan]

Needs resetting after change and that a long time ago already