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#101 Catamount

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 09:55 AM

View PostMason Grimm, on 24 January 2012 - 09:23 AM, said:

US politicians who in turn are suckling away at Corporate America.

"Government of the people, by the people (the people in charge that is, we the Corporate people) for the people (yes you little people, we mean you. Bend over)".


I imagine you Canadians frequently have cause to look over and shake your heads in this regard. I mean, I live here and I know I frequently do.

I was actually in the middle of a political science course (being taught by a British professor, ironically) when the Citizens United v Federal Election Commision ruling came. As you can imagine, it sparked more than few interesting discussions.


Also, as someone who's looking specifically at a career in getting involved in the science used to advise, among others, our elected leaders on the consequences of environmental degredation, you can imagine how I feel about corporate influence. It's frustrating to know that having better science usually still means having less say than the very groups responsible for many of the problems I'm going to be spending my time trying to repair.


Oh but listen to me go... I need to stop before I get into a real rant ;)

Edited by Catamount, 24 January 2012 - 09:58 AM.


#102 Blackfire1

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:24 AM

http://www.infowars....orse-than-sopa/

.... Sh!t

#103 Jaroth Corbett

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 11:49 AM

View PostCattra Kell, on 24 January 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

Linking to videos is now terrorism.



OMG that is the guy who ran tvshack? Props to him! I got a lot of links to some of my favorite TV shows there. What a gutless ballsless judge to allow him to be extradited for something that is not even a crime in his own country ,to honor a treaty established to deal with terrorists. Wow what a threat he is! Linking people to episodes of The Sopranos or The Wire he put a lot of lives in danger! How dare he!!!! He is Al-Qaeda in disguise!

Edited by Jaroth Winson, 26 January 2012 - 11:49 AM.


#104 Ironheart

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 12:01 PM

View PostBlackfire1, on 26 January 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:



Good thing all those pretentious studios piggy backed on the Pipa / Sopa and not on something that can't be cannibalized for marketing.

Edited by Ironheart, 26 January 2012 - 12:01 PM.


#105 Blackfire1

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 06:18 AM

I wish that was the case.


Edited by Blackfire1, 27 January 2012 - 06:19 AM.


#106 Stone Profit

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 09:21 AM

View PostJaroth Winson, on 26 January 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:


OMG that is the guy who ran tvshack? Props to him! I got a lot of links to some of my favorite TV shows there. What a gutless ballsless judge to allow him to be extradited for something that is not even a crime in his own country ,to honor a treaty established to deal with terrorists. Wow what a threat he is! Linking people to episodes of The Sopranos or The Wire he put a lot of lives in danger! How dare he!!!! He is Al-Qaeda in disguise!


perhaps he should look into what the penalties are for stealing in the country he was stealing things from. I assure you if you had an IP and he stole it to make money off of it you would be singing a different tune. That goes for everyone who says this sort of thing is wrong btw.

Edited by Stone Profit, 29 January 2012 - 09:23 AM.


#107 Jaroth Corbett

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:29 AM

He did not steal anything, he linked to a site that had links for TV shows. He never hosted any of the files & he was not profiting from the link. What he did is not even a crime in his own country You should probably check the facts out first before you make accusations.

#108 DKTuesday

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:42 AM

The United States isn't the only greedy country. They're just the worst at hiding it.

#109 Cattra Kell

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 04:30 PM

Man they just keep bringing in more bill... also if you are in Canada I would suggest you inform yourself on C-11 and let your MP's know about saying NO! since the music industries have been trying to add a bunch of stuff to make it SOPA 2.0!
http://www.michaelge.../view/6275/125/


Now something for EVERYONE:
http://falkvinge.net...tury-of-deceit/

THE VCR IS A THREAT!

#110 BubblePanda

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Posted 04 February 2012 - 09:26 PM

Guess what? My representative authored the bill. :)

#111 Blackfire1

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 12:11 PM

Not 100% if this has been covered. But seems they are at it again.

SOPA replacement uses child **** as excuse to spy on 99.7 percent of Americans


Edited by Blackfire1, 29 February 2012 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:34 PM

View Postpbiggz, on 29 December 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

i recall valve CEO Gabe Newell saying a quote something like: "Piracy stems from convenience, not price, if you want to stop piracy, you have to offer the pirates a better service". (i may be paraphrasing). Truer words have never been said.


I wrote this post for the "R.I.P. Demonoid" thread and by the time I finished, it was locked, LOL. So not wanting it to "go to waste", here I am. I talk a bit about my experience with Steam so I decided to quote pbiggs' statement, but I don't want my post to be misinterpreted. I think Steam is pretty good overall, I'm just a lot less likely to use it now.

There's nothing "WRONG" with file sharing, just like there's nothing wrong with sharing anything else. "Right" and "Wrong" are often relative notions anyway but that's beside the point. The war on file sharing is even more futile than the war on drugs. When people don't know how to mind their ******* business, you end up with these waste of time wars over **** you can't stop because no one has any business trying to stop it. You got people getting bigger jail sentences over corporate money horse **** than for things like rape & murder. Just because someone perceives a failure to gain doesn't mean they're right. The one making the claim bears the burden of proving it & even if they could prove it, so what? No one steals anything by copying code. The ease with which it can be reproduced makes it advantageous to both sides. The musician, studio, "artist" etc. can make an infinite number of copies of code to sell for nothing more than the cost of the electricity to produce & electronically distribute the copies. Same with the end user. The more common or easier something is to acquire, the less valuable it is. That's why things like gold & diamonds are expensive, yet water is not (not yet anyway). So there is only one answer that I can see to relieve all the stress that "pirate" hunters put themselves under, and that is to adjust the prices to reflect the value of the things they think they should have infinite control over.

I'm so sick of the word pirate. It's just a tactic used by the greedy to imply that people who are essentially minding their own business, are the bad guys. It's no different than a police officer handing you a ticket for not wearing your seatbelt. You're hurting no one, but there's revenue in it, and it offers a way for the real bad guys to try to make the legalized extortion victim look like the bad guy instead. You get a fine for not wearing a seatbelt 'cuz your government says it's baaaad mmmmmkay? It's "illegal", so that makes it "wrong", but if you want you can jump out've an airplane just for a thrill, pump yourself full of "legalized" heroin because you claim you're in pain, or you can go on over to somewhere like Afghanistan & toss yourself onto a land mine because your government said that's OK, and that means it must be, right?

It is a luxury to be able to produce music, movies, video games, TV shows etc. If all the players in the "show" business game were wiped from the face of the Earth tomorrow, we'd all get on just fine, but if we were to lose people like farmers, builders, doctors, engineers, scientists & anyone else that makes up the "backbone" of society, then we'd have something to complain about. Why don't you worry about things that really are problems, like drunk drivers, obesity & smoking related illnesses, religion, access to education, poverty, violent crime, health care, the oil industry, etc. and get the **** off the backs of people who are minding their own business. If the "pro" file sharing crowd recruited more lobbyists & threw more money at the law makers than the "anti" file sharing crowd, then things would swing the other way. So why isn't it so? Maybe the answer lies in where most of the money is, and always is. Or maybe one crowd is inherently more passive than the other, or maybe something else.

I remember when HL-2 came out on Steam and it was such a cluster **** that UK customers couldn't get their "legal" game, so many of them resorted to a hacked version which worked perfectly fine. I've bought many things off of Steam, because prices & convenience often come well within' the ranges that all other factors require them to be for an exchange to take place. Then Steam got hacked, credit card info got stolen. A couple months ago someone tried to buy something online using my card info. I don't know that the Steam incident is to blame, but I don't know that it isn't either. That's the first place my suspicions are natually gonna go. That or iTunes. I bought a movie off of iTunes recently. I then deleted it for the HDD space, and then when I wanted to download it again I couldn't. It's gone. Either I screwed something up, or I can add that to the list of reasons iTunes and Apple suck big fat dirty monster *****. This is also the reason I opted not to have PGI save my CC info (sorry guys, but I just don't trust that kinda thing now). The point is, to get paid for creating things that are almost infinitely easy to reproduce, and that are absolutely not necessary for survival or even comfort, but that are only entertainment, things have to be done in a way to make it more attractive to a potential buyer. Like maybe Jim Carrey is just gonna have to settle for 5 or 10 million ******* dollars per movie even though he thinks his stupid faces are worth $20 million. Make it attractive for the consumer to pay something and they will, otherwise, in the case of the majority of things that wouldn't have been bought anyway, the consumer does without and so do the profiteers on the other side.

There's also something to be said about advertising. Metallica was all for sharing when they were nobody, now they **** all over it. ******* hypocrites. I don't care if you're in favor of sharing or not. If you don't like it and don't agree with it, just like if you don't agree with doing drugs, or **** sex, then don't do it, but mind your business and leave other people alone. The state of the switches, particles, molecules & atoms inside my hardware that I bought & paid for, are my business, and no one elses. If my neighbor needed a 20mm wrench to fix something on his car & I lend him mine, would Mastercraft have the right to raise a stank? Would they try? What if I had the resources, like a drop forge and a CNC mill (or a cruder system like hammer, anvil & grinder) to make him one using my equipment and my wrench as a guide? So then Mastercraft, or any company that makes wrenches available in the area is gonna try to argue that I cost them a sale and try to have me punished for it if they got wind of it? If he couldn't borrow my wrench, then maybe he would've taken it to a mechanic instead. The only difference with electronic code is that it's so easy to replicate & consequently, it's very common. When code writers/distributors use the ease of replication to their advantage by making it more advantageous to consumers rather than ******** all over how consumers take it upon themselves to exploit that ease, then customers will come. When they make it enticing enough, then they will come. Steam does a pretty good job. They have their problems like anyone, but Gabe had the right vision & adapted, rather than trying to fight a pointless war.

Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If no one's buying what you're selling, then try selling something else. If making music, or video games, or movies isn't profitable, then grab a job growing wheat, or making toilets, or mining copper. Those are what'cha call "REAL" jobs. I'm sure the "creation" of "art" has its frustrations, but it's a luxury to be able to do so. Everyone can't be famous, everyone can't be rich, & everyone can't be paid to "entertain" even if they want to be.

If the entertainment industry gets into real trouble, maybe the governments that decide what's "right" and "wrong" can hand them some big fat bail out dollars by volunteering the public to pay for that which was produced, yet not valued by said public enough for the public to volunteer their money on their own. Just like they did for the banks, and the car companies. How's that for "right" and "wrong"?

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:44 PM

:(
Holy...
EFFING Necro thread.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 07:46 PM

View PostCattra Kell, on 31 January 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

Man they just keep bringing in more bill... also if you are in Canada I would suggest you inform yourself on C-11 and let your MP's know about saying NO! since the music industries have been trying to add a bunch of stuff to make it SOPA 2.0!
http://www.michaelge.../view/6275/125/


Now something for EVERYONE:
http://falkvinge.net...tury-of-deceit/

THE VCR IS A THREAT!


Thanks for the info. Usually when the US government says jump, Canada's only needs to know "how high" before proceeding. Especially the Harper government. The US said no to the legalization of marijuana in Canada (like it's any of their business) & so it never happened. It's not like it matters since anyone that wants to use it to get high does so either way, but the point is, we must be afraid that if we are defiant, we'll become the next Iraq, or Afghanistan. Seems that way sometimes. Or maybe it's just assumed that it's in Canada's best interests to be the USA's *****. "We" are always so willing to come to their side, even when we shouldn't be. We're outnumbered 10:1 so ***?

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:30 PM

View PostFlametrace, on 18 January 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

This bill is ridiculous. I have to use Wikipedia for my school studies sometimes, reports and the like, and how can I do that when Wikipedia is shut down? And also, I didn't even know Wiki had anything pirate-able on it... I've seen tons of games on there with no pirate links, songs and music, too. So why shut it down? I think this whole thing should just be dropped. I'm going to have to take something large and important that the Jade Falconss have and blow it up in my anger. (/'O')/ |_|


I agree that this bill is ridiculous. However, I do have to point out that, while Wikipedia is a great resource, it is by no means the only resource. I'm showing my age but there are libraries that contain thousands of books on any given subject that would give you a more substantive understanding of whatever topic you were researching. As I said Wikipedia is a good thing but don't put all your eggs in one basket. Seriously, what if there was a power-outage or your Internet connection was lost for whatever reason. You still have to do the work so its a good idea to have a back-up plan. Just saying...

#116 C E Dwyer

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 11:54 PM

As one of the designers of this game was taken to court over piracy (copy right infringment) the one that owned Fasa ..be intresting to see what take this has here..

Ok jumping the gun, perhaps it was settled out of court, but its why there are Unseen mechs

Edited by Cathy, 12 August 2012 - 11:59 PM.


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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:22 AM

Didnt Pirate Bay already add somekind of Pirate Bay Dancing to preven this, btw, they just move to Asia, Africa and put their servers there, or middle east.

This is greatest troll of mankind I tell you.

Edited by Carebear, 13 August 2012 - 12:24 AM.


#118 Sam Slade

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:32 AM

View PostMason Grimm, on 29 December 2011 - 12:46 PM, said:

Are you saying that if a website server is physically hosted on U.S soil that it is subject to U.S laws?

While my websites are physically hosted in Boston the company is out of Bulgaria and so I think I'm beyond this attempt at a severe invasion of my rights


The Department of Justice has been testing this; a man from New Zealand was to be extradited to the U.S. for hosting a file sharing directory; the district court judge in N.Z. said, to paraphrase, 'Pff... this is New Zealand, we don't have that law'.

View PostStone Profit, on 17 January 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

perhaps he should look into what the penalties are for stealing in the country he was stealing things from.


You really think he was stealing from a country? Like, really? The groups trying to push these laws into international waters so to speak couldn't care less about the United States... their money is in the Cayman Islands.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 12:32 AM

View PostFreeride Forever, on 12 August 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:


I'm so sick of the word pirate. It's just a tactic used by the greedy to imply that people who are essentially minding their own business, are the bad guys. It's no different than a police officer handing you a ticket for not wearing your seatbelt. You're hurting no one, but there's revenue in it, and it offers a way for the real bad guys to try to make the legalized extortion victim look like the bad guy instead. You get a fine for not wearing a seatbelt 'cuz your government says it's baaaad mmmmmkay? It's "illegal", so that makes it "wrong", but if you want you can jump out've an airplane just for a thrill, pump yourself full of "legalized" heroin because you claim you're in pain, or you can go on over to somewhere like Afghanistan & toss yourself onto a land mine because your government said that's OK, and that means it must be, right?



I'm not sure where the idea of not wearing a seat belt is some kind of piracy, but that law was brought in for two reasons, the first was, to save the life of the ***** that is driving the car..though on a personal note I think its ok for the moron that doesn't want to wear one to die(but not to survive and use my tax money to remove the glass, repair their face, through the NHS).

The second reason and far more important in many ways was to lessen the trauma that the emergency serivces go through scraping the mess of the road and telling the next of kin, that your ********, husband,wife,daughter,son, died because they were stupid..

Sopa is wrong not because of piracy, but, its a knee jerk reaction to the wikileaks scandal

It openly proved that USA think they are so clever, and can **** on the rest of the world, ally and competitor, and laugh behind their backs while doing it, was very embarrasing and so now they come up with this knee jerk solutition.

What is going to be quite intresting(read funny) is to see the IT community leave USA in droves (Bill Gates will change his name to Igor, Gatskovski, as while he might be an american, he's a business man first, and would rather be a billionaire, than poor ) and cost billions of dollars to the government purse, when companies set up isp domains in countries like Russia who will quietly tell the C.I.A and others of similar, bent, to ****** offski, when they come around and say, we don't like this, turn it off.

sweden most definately will not make any money from this exodus, as they have been the lap dogs of the US government and C.I.A for the last 40 years.

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 01:04 AM

Have you ever considered why laws such as this, and the UK equivalent, in which YOU can be fined for APPARENTLY downloading copyrighted media without any proof whatever, come from? Most elections around the 1st world countries are only attracting less than HALF of the voters. France elected a president and their version of parliament with only 42% turnout. The UK elected a PM and parliament with only 43% turnout. I'm unsure of the American votes yet but it will be similar. How to stop things like SOPA ever getting off the ground? Motivate the people who do not vote to change the content of YOUR parliament/congress/legislative body. By voting in a few hundred non party independants into these bodies, people with more people motivation than filling their secret bank accounts with pay off money from corporations, then things like SOPA and the UK ISP bill die the death before becoming even a parliamentary discussion over tea and biccy's (coffee and bagels for our American compadres).





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